RocknRola
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Nah, we won't get numbers until NPD next month.
Roger that! Thanks for the info!
Nah, we won't get numbers until NPD next month.
Do you feel this way every time someone makes a prediction and it turns out to be wrong?
If Microsoft takes November NPDs I'll do what I usually do and post "Congratulations, Microsoft" in that thread without qualifications. No shaming necessary.
Is their an upside to this fire-sale approach that MS engages in almost every holiday this gen?I'm not sure this is the wall of shame you were asking for, but here you go. I just compiled every November prediction in the October NPD thread. Here's what "GAF" had to say (I counted unique users):
Code:Xbox will win November 6 It will be close either way 7 PS4 will win November 6
The belief that the consensus was an easy November win for PS4 is completely wrong.
"Couple of millions" is understating the case. The 2014 holidays alone cost Microsoft over $500m in lost revenue. This year, they're predicting the division to be down $1.3b from last year (though unlike 2014, some of this will be due to their phone business).
Is their an upside to this fire-sale approach that MS engages in every holiday this gen?
There has to be some silver lining for them in all this lost revenue.
I mean, the PS4 hasn't exactly been performing like the market leader the past few months in US has it...?I dont get this.
I assume you think the PS4 will just slow down to a halt in the US.
I've read the October thread again just now, and that tone is in your imagination. Here are some actual quotes from that thread:It isn't simply being wrong about a prediction. It's the tone. Just go read the threads again.
I would say Sony has November in the bag, but considering how I have been dead wrong about every prediction I've made this year, from game sales to politics, I'll just sit back and watch this time.
I'd give PS4 a 50:50 chance for November. Even if PS4 beats XB1, I don't think it'll be by a whole lot due to the fact that PS4's SKU mix is not very broad.
Even if PS4 does come out on top, I doubt it'll be by much.
With PS4+PS4 pro, it's going to be a big win for the PS4 in Nov (with months of stacked pre orders), and a smaller but still sizeable win in Dec as well, is my guess.
In fact I predict that MS will take Nov and Dec.
I'm not sure this is the wall of shame you were asking for, but here you go. I just compiled every November prediction in the October NPD thread. Here's what "GAF" had to say (I counted unique users):
Code:Xbox will win November 6 It will be close either way 7 PS4 will win November 6
The belief that the consensus was an easy November win for PS4 is completely wrong.
Don't call it a comeback. While sales are improving which is a great sign, the PS4 Pro will knock out the gap the XB1 has made back.
Shhhhhh, let people dream. SCORPIO!
Next month they will be going back to MAUs.
So why did you replied to me saying that? My post was correct.Damn, just put words in my posts.
I haven't commented in this thread once on who I think will sell more and it certainly wouldn't be because of the Xbox 360's performance in 2013. I didn't realize saying that PlayStation family didn't win until 2015 would mean I think Xbox One will win 2016.
Ehh thats every topic people joke about the MAU stuff all the time.You're using the wrong thread. All the salt had already been let out by the time the NPD thread went up. This is the thread you want:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1312050
And again, it's more the tone than the predictions. Stuff like this:
Those are just from page 1 of 17.
Edit: You're still using the wrong thread!
They had recorde breaking BF sales WW last year... of course the first years you will break record with more countries doing BF in world.That's not the first year of BF outside US, it's the third here in italy.
Is their an upside to this fire-sale approach that MS engages in almost every holiday this gen?
There has to be some silver lining that justifies all this lost revenue.
Market penetration. More people on their ecosystem spending money on software and digital goods.
Touché.It's not how many razors you sell...it's how many blades you sell.
People already have PS4, why they would buy it another time? So they go and buy the other console, cheaper. You're welcome.
It's mainly to stop the bleeding from the rest of the year and it doesn't always work like last year bilut it prevents the competition from getting too far ahead. It would snowball in PS4s favor if they didn't and they know it.It's not how many razors you sell...it's how many blades you sell.
It isn't simply being wrong about a prediction. It's the tone. Just go read the threads again.
Or maybe Sony can't ship enough Pro to stores... I mean the shipment could be not that big in US.I went to my local Best Buy last night. Say a ton of Xbox one s and PS4 slims out on the floor. No Pros. I didnt even see them being stocked when I was there a few days ago. Looks like Sony wants the slim to be their big seller. PS4 pro's time will come next year to compete with Scorpio.
It's not how many razors you sell...it's how many blades you sell.
Is their an upside to this fire-sale approach that MS engages in almost every holiday this gen?
There has to be some silver lining that justifies all this lost revenue.
All of the Pros I saw were up on the walls from out of view.I went to my local Best Buy last night. Say a ton of Xbox one s and PS4 slims out on the floor. No Pros. I didnt even see them being stocked when I was there a few days ago. Looks like Sony wants the slim to be their big seller. PS4 pro's time will come next year to compete with Scorpio.
If you think Welfare is a haughty PS4 fanboy, you really aren't paying attention to what people say over time. But in any case, your claim of a GAF hatefest is completely contradicted by the very thread you've linked:You're using the wrong thread. All the salt had already been let out by the time the NPD thread went up. ...And again, it's more the tone than the predictions.
Congrats! They did a really good job making their hardware more attractive.
Well deserved. X1S is a great machine.
deserved
Well done, they've been doing most things right for a long time now.
XBOX ONE S IS A BEAST
Bundle wise Xbox One has been offering better choices. Wondering how Black Friday will be.
Crazy turn around.
Love my Xbox One S.
xbone is coming back
Good job MS. The momentum is real. But can they keep it up with Pro launching this month? Will they indeed have a 5 month streak?
Microsoft has proven pretty strong at recovering from fumbles throughout their presence in gaming.
I think it will serve them well in the long term.
They have made their platform super appelative. Deserved for sure.
Yea. Gonna make a bold bet and say XB1 wins November and December. Correct me if I'm wrong but all the BF deals I've seen of the PS4 are with UC4.
I think the BF1 XB1 bundles will make it do bonkers.
Impressive. They're making a play, I'll give them that. November and December is going to be a good fight though.
Deserved.
The S is a solid console. Cool to see it doing well.
The upside is that their gaming division hasn't slid into irrelevance. "Xbox" is still a strong brand in the US and UK years later, when that was definitely not a certain outcome around April 2014.Is their an upside to this fire-sale approach that MS engages in almost every holiday this gen?
There has to be some silver lining that justifies all this lost revenue.
Up to July.I guess nobody has up to date LTD's of XB1 and PS4 in US? Or do but aren't allowed to share them?
But in any case, your claim of a GAF hatefest is completely contradicted by the very thread you've linked:
And that's just page 1 of 17! Yes, there are also pro-PS4 comments in addition to the ones you posted. But they're vastly outnumbered by the congratulations and accolades.
To be fair the prior months wins didn't do a lot to the situation of XB1.Can you quote me where I said there was any kind of GAF hatefest or where I said the Xbone didn't get deserved congratulations and accolades? Didn't think so.
The only thing I was calling out were all the posters that downplayed prior month NPD wins by claiming the market was waiting for the Pro and that November, assuredly, is "when the king would return". Obviously there are rational posters in both camps, I wasn't referring to them.
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Microsoft usually takes the holidays.
Why? The trend have been favoring MS and Sony imo has been ass since the PS Pro reveal.
Honestly thought I would get called out as an Xbox fanboy before being a PlayStation fanboy. Have I finally made it big here on GAF?If you think Welfare is a haughty PS4 fanboy, you really aren't paying attention to what people say over time. But in any case, your claim of a GAF hatefest is completely contradicted by the very thread you've linked:
Okay?If you had been paying attention, you'd know Xbone fire sales have always occurred around the holidays.
Huh? NPD threads for the last 4 months have been "Everyone is waiting for Pro". Almost everyone is expecting Sony to take November. Including myself.
If Microsoft somehow manages to take November, then the worm has officially turned in the US. It's the norm, no longer an exception.
Honestly thought I would get called out as an Xbox fanboy before being a PlayStation fanboy. Have I finally made it big here on GAF?
Huh? NPD threads for the last 4 months have been "Everyone is waiting for Pro". Almost everyone is expecting Sony to take November. Including myself.
If Microsoft somehow manages to take November, then the worm has officially turned in the US. It's the norm, no longer an exception.
When i look at the picture i see One + over 2 year old game for $250/230 or PS4 + 1/2 year old game for $250, so the price/value advantage Ms had the last BFs wasn't there.
On top of that Sony launched the Pro.
How could a loose not disappointing when all advantages this time where in Sony's corner?
Through October:Up to July.
http://i.imgur.com/eWLV0q5.png
Add the others months and you get the actual picture.
PS. I'm lazy right now to do math... btw congrats Aqua for all the leaks.
To be fair the prior months wins didn't do a lot to the situation of XB1.
2016 YTD
PS4 2.43m
XB1 2.22m
Both down YoY.
The PS4 wins was avg. 500k per year in US... for now this years doesn't look that different unless XB1 get a big win in Nov/Dec.
But that is what most replies you say it is against MS are talking about in that thread.That's cool, but I wasn't talking about how big the month's wins were or YTD.
Shhh! The Xbone gaffers need this W. Especially Etta. =pSo much posturing about winning months, while Sony is still leading by 1.5 million in the US and tens of millions worldwide is treated as an afterthought.
That's cool, but I wasn't talking about how big the month's wins were or YTD.
I'm just really interested in how the Pro does. Like would 400k pros be enough to close the gap between the PS4 slim and Xbox one S? I can't see the pro doing a ton more than that( I also don't really care about it's Amazon rank)So many people confident that PS4 will win November and no one is taking my bet :/
When XB1 wins November, I'm rubbing it in everyone's faces! 😆
So many people confident that PS4 will win November and no one is taking my bet :/
When XB1 wins November, I'm rubbing it in everyone's faces! 😆
It's interesting how Microsoft seems to have scooped Playstation on the 4K advantage, almost by accident. They've got one new SKU on shelves, pushing it as the best 4K media device (which it is) - and that seems to have been enough to outsell the PS4 Pro. A console explicitly built for '4K gaming'.
I'm curious what the Scorpio does to this dynamic. On paper, it's offering a bigger jump in features than the PS4->Pro. VR support, native 4K, high processing power, etc. All as launch XBox ONE/PS4 buyers may be looking to upgrade their TVs. But this month's NPD might indicate that consumers aren't buying into the mid-grade console upgrade pattern.
Lol so you told them to get the least kid friendly console of the bunch? A lot of places had Ratchet & Clank for free with the PS4. Not to mention Minecraft is also on it along with a lot of other kid friendly games from years past(LBP3, Tearaway, DQ Builders, etc)As much as I would liked to have told mom to get my bro a PS4 from Costco, it was bundled with Uncharted and it's doubtful he wants his kids to see that.
So Xbox one S with Minecraft it is....
/one data point