veloxStrix
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There are still people who care about console sales three years into the gen. I'm proud of your dedication to maintaining a sizeable E-Dick. ;-;
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Put It In Your MAU-th: Pork Loin leading PS4/Xbone in NA
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Primethius
Banned
That's not necessarily true. Especially for holiday shopping. Holidays are price sensitive and most people buying around this time period are the mass market which are more prone to price sensitivity then others.
It's the reason the XB1 absolutely destroyed the PS4 in holidays in 2014 (before XB1S and 4K playback).
It is, I suspect, also the reason for a larger decline of many first party MS titles. They've opted to build the US base off of price sensitive holiday customers which won't exaclty be your typical Xbox IP fans.
You're so cool. Where can I buy some of that edge?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
What's so kid unfriendly about the Xbox?
Outside the PlayRoom which is secretly the best Kid (under 10) game out there, they're basically on par in terms of their kid friendly libraries. If anything, backwards compatibility gives Microsoft the edge thanks to the back catalogue of 360 kid games. Viva Piñata alone gives to to the Xbox.
Bitch Pudding
Member
Thx for contributing.
Honestly thought I would get called out as an Xbox fanboy before being a PlayStation fanboy. Have I finally made it big here on GAF?
We all know that you, like donny, are a 3DS fanboy. You just keep it well hidden.
Liabe Brave
Member
So your stance is that we should "call out" and "shame" anyone that has predicted a PS4 win in November, even though we don't yet know if they were wrong? That sounds like a you problem, not a GAF problem.
Alternately, if you think we should wait until we're sure they were wrong, and then make them feel bad about themselves...well, that's a bullshit stance and one reason why public discussion on the internet is often insufferable.
Completely wrong. I posted data that showed a totally even split in predictions.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Yeah but one on, the dollar differences we're talking about are in the $50 to $100 range. If someone wants a PS4 over an Xbox One, they're not going to buy a console they don't want simply because of price.
The people buying Xbox Ones now are buying them because they want one. Not simply because they're cheap.
chromatic9
Member
I doubt they'd sell that even if they shipped enough but have read reports of lots of stock. Numbers for Pro seem well well short of typical past slim revisions and new consoles. I'd expect Pro to be in the hundreds of thousands or long shot of low 1 million rather than the millions.
Unknown?
Member
Uh no... Xbox doesn't have as many kid friendly games at all. Lol I didn't say it was completely unfriendly, I said it was the least of the two.
Primethius
Banned
I think it's a mixture of both. Both the value and cost at there, which is what's propelling it. We'll find out soon though.
January onwards is where the test is. If the PS4 goes back to winning those months, then it's all about the price.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I think your data came from the wrong thread. AZ Greg was referring to the Xbox PR thread. Your data came from the NPD thread.
I think Sony was just too early. Scorpio will be that next gen well maybe eventually device rather than an obvious mid gen upgrade so the power/feature set will be a lot more enticing and hypetastic. I know Microsoft won't say it but it will be. There will be a much bigger price gap with Xbox One S and they won't be launching two new consoles like Sony just did. No crossing swords.
I basically see it as Sony sticking to generations and Microsoft doing the same but seamlessly transitioning with Scorpio being powerful enough to make the step up to next gen games when Xbox One/S gets dumped and becomes the cheaper entry point whereas PS4/Pro gets left behind and Sony have an expensive PS5 to push only with Microsoft still having a successor to Scorpio to leap ahead with up their sleeve.
ethomaz
Banned
His data come from predictions...
The AZ claim didn't use prediction but instead "tone" I guess.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Maybe we have differing ideas on what "kid friendly" means?
Either way though, when you include BC, I'd say they're at the very least the same. I mean, some of the games you listed aren't kid friendly, they're just kiddy in appearance.
Little Big planet has never been a kid friendly game, unless you're referring to the platforming then it's questionable. The only truly kid friendly games are on Nintendo consoles if we're being honest. Most of the kid friendly games on Sony and Microsoft platforms are third party games like the Lego ones.
Predictions from the wrong thread though.
gundamkyoukai
Member
If we go by what Sony wants to ship they don't expect that much Pro .
Also the pro can't be comapre to slim or other past revisions since they come with a price drop.
The Pro right now is $150 more without a good bundle it would be lucky to account for even 20 to 30% of Nov and Dec sales.
The Xbox was $20 cheaper at Costco with an included kid friendly game. Also the Xbox has just as many kid games as the PS4.
If you aren't aware of the kid friendly games, fine but don't act like they don't exist.
Welfare
Member
I am starting to lean an Xbox win in November. The slim only doing 130k in October really made me question its selling power, and now I only expect the Pro to do 500k, if that. I will solidify my choice if we get more concrete info and potential PR next week.
And what is the bet?
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
I went through only the first 2 pages of the PR thread and the actual predictions were about 14 to 3 in Sony's favour. That's just the first 2 pages. That's what Greg was referring to and he was right. The sentiment amongst most GAFfers (including myself even in that thread) is that Sony SHOULD take November because of the Pro.
Primethius
Banned
I dunno, just for fun. So probably some sort of avatar one. I feel like people are so confident in a PS4 win that this is the low hanging fruit bet that peeps should jump on
DriftingSpirit
Member
I think the natural November boost and the $50 cut will greatly aid Slim. It'll be a repeat of October 2015 going into November 2015. Well, not necessarily the same amount of overall increase but a sizable boost either way.
Xbox Statement on Black Friday - ''There was strong demand for Xbox hardware, accessories, games and Xbox Live engagement on Black Friday, based on initial results, with a strong start to the holiday season.''
Very flat statement and no record breaking as per last year.
Hmmm.
Very flat statement and no record breaking as per last year.
Hmmm.
inpHilltr8r
Member
CostCo does great meat, in huge quantities, at bargain prices. I'm a total convert. Freezer + sous vide + skillet is my game of the year 2016.
AZ Greg
Member
Am I being that hard to understand? I apologize if so. But I never said call out anyone that predicted a PS4 win. Like you said, we still don't know. And, if forced, I'd probably still predict a PS4 win as well.
My issue, from the start, has been with the posters who were not just predicting certain month wins, but shitting up any sales thread claiming that those results were expected and meaningless as everyone was waiting for the Pro. And that November would be a for sure win for Sony, without even factoring in MS' normally strong holiday strategies. And again, even if that's a fair prediction, it shouldn't have been so confidently on display and used to downplay the past months.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Could be right. But isn't it too soon for them to have a real idea?
chromatic9
Member
I wouldn't compare them. I was replaying to a 2 million in two months US prediction and said this so not sure why you're telling me what I've just said. When the main consoles sell about 1.2-1.5 for each month, selling 1 million per month of Pro is way out there in the typical new console/revisions numbers thinking. I'm thinking hundreds of thousands as per my post you quoted so probably a similar percentage.
You should be quoting ethomaz, honestly. Preaching to the choir here.
who knows, but if they don't say they won BF they lost by monday most likely.
It took them a week to comment properly last year.
Last year link:
https://majornelson.com/2015/12/03/...-records-windows-10-gaming-continues-to-rise/
(Was posted the following Thursday)
Primethius
Banned
Way too soon. Give it a week.
I could be wrong, I just think the pro is a mistake. It doesn't do enough extra to get the average consumer interested, and the lack of Blu-ray 4k drive is a big time mistake. The slim was beat hard by the s when msft included that drive. I think Sony will start gaining momentum back next year with some of their bigger releases, but I expect npd to be swept by msft for the next few months.
DriftingSpirit
Member
I just don't think that drive stuff matters enough to make a difference. Will it have swayed some purchases? Sure. Enough to cause a "sweep"? I don't think so. Price parity is what will keep things mostly even between the two.
We'll see though.
Obliterator
Member
400k would be a shockingly large number of sell through to consumers imo for the month, and if that were to happen it would be an easy and large win for the month of November for Sony.
Edit - actually thinking about it more, and seeing what Pro launched at in Japan, 400k may indeed be doable but still that's the high end. 250k-300k is the safe bet imo
ethomaz
Banned
Well he used the Prediction thread... the others posts are not prediction at all... there are comments with what he says "strong tone against XB1".
PS. I don't agree with what I wrote inside """
So they need to post that in the prediction thread.
I'm one that predicted PS4 will take Nov due Pro... it is in the prediction thread.
BTW it can be talking more about tone than prediction to be fair because none of his quotes are predictions.
I thought and still kind of think the same thing, although I do think there truly is some demand starting to drive up, if not just a little bit, for 4k media players. That set of people would likely lean Xbox especially on bf with the 150 price disparity not to mention bundles.
Another thing I'd be interested in seeing is sku differences. I think the price difference right now is likely the driving force behind Sony's slump here (and a better lineup the past few months). With the pro I think effectively Sony is the perceived pricier of the 2 despite the slim existing.
I can't remember, but wasn't the last bf the UC:C?
pixelation
Member
Why?, that is par for the course...
DriftingSpirit
Member
Yep, it was only the Uncharted Collection and it performed well. Uncharted isn't going to cost them. Keeping it at $299 would have cost them.
Edit - Well, there were CoD and Battlefront bundles but they were priced higher.
SunDimension24
Member
Yes. There was also a call of duty: black ops 3 bundle(the 1tb one, I believe the 500gb bundle came out in december), a star wars Disney infinity 3.0 bundle and a star wars battlefront bundle which I'm sure helped.
I believe they also had a family oriented bundle and Battlefront not just UCC. Perhaps I'm wrong? Even still though, the competition was much stiffer this year. They desperately needed a more compelling bundle offering for mass appeal this holiday and they just stuck to the same one they've had for months now. Bad decision IMO
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
No because we'd have to wait for December because people would still be waiting for the Pro because they didn't ship enough.
pixelation
Member
If that happens then what?, worldwide the victor of this gen is set already and he ain't leaving the throne.
Unknown?
Member
That family oriented one was limited to Walmart I believe and battlefront was not $299 like Uncharted, it was $349. The Uncharted bundle was by far the best selling PS4 on Black Friday last year. UC4 was not dumb especially when it's the highest rated game this year.
This year's deals are arguably better. You get a current gen game instead of remasters. You also get deals on top of the $50 discount like gift cards or free games. Last year they only had a $50 drop and no other incentives.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
What are you even talking about? Why do people keep bringing up Workdwide in NPD threads?
AZ Greg
Member
See, these are the sort of arrogant, off-topic and non-value added posts I was talking about.
Eh I think with a month like this. Price is the deciding factor. I don't think they are desperate for anything since they are more than likely hitting their margins revenue wise, and with the price being $250 that does most of the leg work.
Not to mention if you bought on at Gamestop or Best Buy you could get TLOUR and Ratchet with the system.
The only bundle offering Mass appeal is the Minecraft bundle and I'll say the Gears Bundle will handily outsell that. If anyone wants a console this Holiday they are going to get one.
I'm not sure sure having many different bundles makes that much difference. Price imo remains king.