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Media Create Sales: Week 48, 2016 (Nov 28 - Dec 04)

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AniHawk

Member
ps4/switch/steam is going to probably be japan's platform going forward, unless you're a megahuge company like square enix or koei tecmo, in which case you might throw in xbox 1 at some point or instead of switch, maybe.

i would predict more exclusive switch games than exclusive ps4 games out of third-parties where japan is concerned.
 
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hiska-kun

Member
Sammy Samusu said:
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YW3 was also overshipped...
 
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Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
I have the impression Sukiyaki will have a better presence than Sushi / Tempora and will recover some lost sales from the disappointing July release.

Holidays and Pokemon could stop it from having a further decline and help it stabilize (at least for a while before next main entry).
 
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KillerMan91

Member
FF XV and Yakuza bombing on PS4 despite it having rather similar sized installbase to PS3 when it got first games on these same series tells me that the structure of current PS4 userbase is different compared to early PS3 userbase. I guess with western games driving decent bit of PS4 hw sales even in Japan so far userbase is more split between gamers playing traditional Japanese games and gamers playing western games. Early PS3 userbase was still pretty much build on back of Japanese games and western software started to sell better later on.
 
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MacTag

Banned
Perfo said:
Why an entire country almost completely switch from one method of gaming to the next it's something I don't get. I mean mobile gaming and such is HUGE also here in the west, yet Ps4 and dedicated gaming devices still sell great. Why Japan is one or another?
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The west is also declining though. While PS4 might be selling great it's not on par with previous market leaders like PS2 or Wii. Not so different from 3DS in Japan really, which also sold great in a declining market. Western dedicated devices also face a strong direct competitor in PC, which is a non-factor in Japan.
 
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Oregano

Member
Aostia said:
Despite Nintendo portsbles being crucial in japan in the last two gen, I cant see a Nintendo console as a third party savior
Third party will probsbly prefer to invest on mobile or West (ps4) ove switch imho
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I don't think it will happen but it's basically Switch or nothing at this point. No one is releasing new hardware any time soon and no one else with have Nintendo's franchises.

The mantra of "aim for the West" only really works if they actually achieve enough success to make up for the decline in Japan. That isn't happening for the majority of releases.

Yakuza isn't Ps4 exclusive because of the West.
 
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L~A

Member
random25 said:
Looks like a mobile game.
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I'm not sure. Hino showed something on a smartphone (got it recorded), didn't look the same at all.

zeromcd73 said:
Gonna guess Switch/iOS/Android for Inazuma and maybe even add PS4 to the mix/
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Mobile is a lock, Switch likely too, but I don't see why they'd go on PS4 since I doubt there's much of the IE audience there. At least PSV, since kids already have Minecraft and all, but... who knows. Everything's possible.

Except XB1, obviously :p
 
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KillerMan91

Member
MacTag said:
The west is also declining though. While PS4 might be selling great it's not on par with previous market leaders like PS2 or Wii. Not so different from 3DS in Japan really, which also sold great in a declining market. Western dedicated devices also face a strong direct competitor in PC, which is a non-factor in Japan.
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I really wouldn't count PC as a similar competition to consoles as mobile phones. PC is another great revenue stream for those same games that consoles get. If anything it helps publishers to greenlight more games for consoles and PC. Mobile market on the other hand needs completely different games and making games for phones eats away resources from making console/PC games.
 
Perfo

Perfo

Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
MacTag said:
The west is also declining though. While PS4 might be selling great it's not on par with previous market leaders like PS2 or Wii. Not so different from 3DS in Japan really, which also sold great in a declining market. Western dedicated devices also face a strong direct competitor in PC, which is a non-factor in Japan.
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Isn't ps4 year to year selling equal or more than ps2?
Wii was the exception to a rule but the market looks as healthy as ever now days to me
 
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Aostia

El Capitan Todd
Oregano said:
Megaton Musashi is planned for PS4 so Inazuma Eleven could happen too.
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Where this info come from?
We have seen a 3ds screen and a Hino comment about a "big screen", but do you have official info about ps4?
I mean obviously wanting the game both on portable and on big screen could mean switch too
 
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Takao

Banned
Microsoft Japan retweet a PlayStation Japan tweet about an event promoting Minecraft on Vita: https://twitter.com/Xbox_JP/status/807155483412791297

Nothing to lose at this point.

Aostia said:
Where this info come from?
We have seen a 3ds screen and a Hino comment about a "big screen", but do you have official info about ps4?
I mean obviously wanting the game both on portable and on big screen could mean switch too
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The mockups for Musashi had a 3DS body and something with PlayStation buttons. Level-5 doesn't release Vita games, so ...
 
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random25

Member
L~A said:
I'm not sure. Hino showed something on a smartphone (got it recorded), didn't look the same at all.



Mobile is a lock, Switch likely too, but I don't see why they'd go on PS4 since I doubt there's much of the IE audience there. At least PSV, since kids already have Minecraft and all, but... who knows. Everything's possible.

Except XB1, obviously :p
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It looks hi-res to be a 3DS game, unless bullshots. Vita maybe, but I'm not sure about that since L-5 has like only one game made for Vita in its history. So chances are mobile, Switch, PS4, or multiplat among the three.
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
Oregano said:
Megaton Musashi is planned for PS4 so Inazuma Eleven could happen too.
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Actually, while there were 3DS and PS4 screens at the Level 5 event...

http://gematsu.com/2016/08/level-5-ceo-megaton-musashi-want-see-big-screen-possible

Supported platforms have yet to be decided, but Level-5 is considering 3DS development. As these are giant robots and they’re placing considerable emphasis on anime, Level-5 is also considering development on high-spec machines so that the content can be enjoyed to its fullest. Hino wants to see it on as big a screen as possible.
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Sammy Samusu

Member
hiska-kun said:
YW3 was also overshipped...
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It wasn't really overshipped because retail sold all the copies in four weeks and without the need of a price cut.

Would you say Mario Maker 3DS was overshipped too? In the literal sense of the word, yes, but it won't have trouble selling its first shipment. That's not the case for Final Fantasy XV.
 
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Oregano

Member
Perfo said:
Isn't ps4 year to year selling equal or more than ps2?
Wii was the exception to a rule but the market looks as healthy as ever now days to me
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Even if that's the case every other system is declining from their predecessors so the market is still shrinking.

Aostia said:
Where this info come from?
We have seen a 3ds screen and a Hino comment about a "big screen", but do you have official info about ps4?
I mean obviously wanting the game both on portable and on big screen could mean switch too
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He also said it's coming to a PlayStation system so unless it's Trinity it will be Ps4
 
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L~A

Member
Do you have a link? Because I don't remember them mentioning any platform at all (other than the concept images during the presentation).

Oregano said:
Megaton Musashi is planned for PS4 so Inazuma Eleven could happen too.
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Level-5 never said PS4. There was that interview where Akihiro Hino said something along the lines of "I want this on as big a screen as possible", which implied a home console.

That was before the Switch revealed, so everyone assumed it would be PS4, but after the Switch reveal... not that sure anymore.

Anyway, video clip of the mobile thingy they showed:

https://youtu.be/KzCsrKheh1Q
 
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MacTag

Banned
KillerMan91 said:
I really wouldn't count PC as a similar competition to consoles as mobile phones. PC is another great revenue stream for those same games that consoles get. If anything it helps publishers to greenlight more games for consoles and PC. Mobile market on the other hand needs completely different games and making games for phones eats away resources from making console/PC games.
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PC gets way more games than dedicated devices. It works well as an extra revenue stream for already established console publishers but the platform is much much more than just that and is easily the most diverse ecosystem anywhere. And it can be competitive too, for example these days it really feels like Steam has replaced Xbox in some respects for Japanese port development.

Mobile games can be multiplatform with dedicated devices too. Vita in particular seems to have benefitted from that and Switch might also.
 
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Aostia

El Capitan Todd
If Inazuma and megaton are not heading also to switch lets say goodbay to those Japanese third parties on the console
 
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Mpl90

Two copies sold? That's not a bomb guys, stop trolling!!!
L~A said:
Do you have a link? Because I don't remember them mentioning any platform at all (other than the concept images during the presentation).



Level-5 never said PS4. There was that interview where Akihiro Hino said something along the lines of "I want this on as big a screen as possible", which implied a home console.

That was before the Switch revealed, so everyone assumed it would be PS4, but after the Switch reveal... not that sure anymore.

Anyway, video clip of the mobile thingy they showed:

https://youtu.be/KzCsrKheh1Q
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So, I suppose the screens posted earlier should definitely be of a console game, unless the style changes so radically between non-matches gameplay and matches gameplay.
 
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hiska-kun

Member
Sammy Samusu said:
It wasn't really overshipped because retail sold all the copies in four weeks and without the need of a price cut.

Would you say Mario Maker 3DS was overshipped too? In the literal sense of the word, yes, but it won't have trouble selling its first shipment. That's not the case for Final Fantasy XV.
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YW3 had price cuts during obon, and after sukiyaki and Tempura/Sushi double pack were announced. It wasn't as massive as FFXV is going to be, but still it happened.
 
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MacTag

Banned
Perfo said:
Isn't ps4 year to year selling equal or more than ps2?
Wii was the exception to a rule but the market looks as healthy as ever now days to me
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Not sure about Europe but it fell behind PS2 in the US over a year ago. This gen is looking to be incredibly frontloaded for everyone.
 
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Psycho_Mantis

Banned
Aostia said:
If Inazuma and megaton are not heading also to switch lets say goodbay to those Japanese third parties on the console
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too many factors to consider right now but the lack of third party games for Switch isn't pretty so I'm guessing third parties are going for a wait and see approach.
 
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Nirolak

Mrgrgr
The casual and children's market on the PS2 and Wii definitely got a huge bite taken out by mobile.

This happened on PC as well which is why you see no one talking about things like NewGrounds or Facebook gaming anymore.

Core gaming on consoles is having some impact from PC, especially in terms of potential growth markets, but it's significantly less severe than Japan. The major problem console core gaming is having in the West is that it's actually eating itself by virtue of service games taking up all the oxygen from other releases even months later.

This is a similar problem in terms of making the market increasingly toxic for a large number of players, but the key difference is that the biggest titles are still seeing more success than ever instead of everything across the board going down.

It has also been correctly pointed out that PC and consoles share a lot of hit titles, which hasn't really been true with mobile and dedicated devices in Japan. If publishers could just invest in big mobile games and dump them on consoles as well to sufficient success, I think you would still see a huge sea of content headed to dedicated devices. It's the split causing resources to divert.

That said, when everything is down in a year except Persona, including games people were very adamant would not be down, I think it's clear the current strategy isn't working and something needs to change if the publishers want the dedicated market to continue on in a meaningful way instead of fading out nigh completely over the next 5-10 years.
 
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Takao

Banned
Mpl90 said:
So, I suppose the screens posted earlier should definitely be of a console game, unless the style changes so radically between non-matches gameplay and matches gameplay.
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Looking at the shadows and the crowd in the background, are we sure those are actual screenshots from the game and not more of Level-5's mockups?

Aostia said:
If Inazuma and megaton are not heading also to switch lets say goodbay to those Japanese third parties on the console
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I'm sure they will be.

Oregano said:
I might have got mixed up with that screenshot having PlayStation buttons...
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Megaton-Musashi-Ann_002.jpg


Green triangle and blue cross button. There are some Vita games with those (notably, Dragon Quest Builders), but that's mainly a PS home console trait.
 
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cw_sasuke

If all DLC came tied to $13 figurines, I'd consider all DLC to be free
Psycho_Mantis said:
too many factors to consider right now but the lack of third party games for Switch isn't pretty so I'm guessing third parties are going for a wait and see approach.
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...or we could just wait till next month.
 
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Sammy Samusu

Member
hiska-kun said:
YW3 had price cuts during obon, and after sukiyaki and Tempura/Sushi double pack were announced. It wasn't as massive as FFXV is going to be, but still it happened.
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I remember lots of games being price slashed during Obon, not only Yo-kai Watch. It's nothing unusual.

And the first shipment was sold out waaaay before the double pack announcement, and relativity soon after release too.

First shipment: 1 million copies
Release: week 28
Sold 1 million copies: week 32
Double pack announcement: week 41
 
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Kresnik258

Member
L~A said:
Mobile is a lock, Switch likely too, but I don't see why they'd go on PS4 since I doubt there's much of the IE audience there. At least PSV, since kids already have Minecraft and all, but... who knows. Everything's possible.[/SPOILER]
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That Little Battlers game on Vita scared them off for life.
 
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Aki-at

Member
1st Course said:
What's the expectations for Yakuza 6?
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Expecting a first week of 225k to 250k with LTD to be about 350k.

I think what will be interesting to see is how the game does in China/Asia, that's the market I expect Sega is hoping to pick up the slack. With Yakuza Kiwami doing 200k there's a possibility that this title could still push more than 500k. The only hang up is I don't know how much of that 200k was split between PlayStation 3 and 4 skus which could be a major factor.
 
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L~A

Member
Takao said:
Looking at the shadows and the crowd in the background, are we sure those are actual screenshots from the game and not more of Level-5's mockups?



I'm sure they will be.



Megaton-Musashi-Ann_002.jpg


Green triangle and blue cross button. There are some Vita games with those (notably, Dragon Quest Builders), but that's mainly a PS home console trait.
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Ah, thanks a bunch. Totally missed the buttons bit (though it was just a tablet, tbh), thanks for posting the pic.

About the screens above, yeah, it does reminds me of the infamous Level-5 mock-ups.
 
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DarkLordMalik

Member
Sammy Samusu said:
It wasn't really overshipped because retail sold all the copies in four weeks and without the need of a price cut.

Would you say Mario Maker 3DS was overshipped too? In the literal sense of the word, yes, but it won't have trouble selling its first shipment. That's not the case for Final Fantasy XV.
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Yokai Watch 3 was also being discounted. I would love to live in your reality where Yokai Watch didn't underperform at retail.
 
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Takao

Banned
Aki-at said:
Expecting a first week of 225k to 250k with LTD to be about 350k.

I think what will be interesting to see is how the game does in China/Asia, that's the market I expect Sega is hoping to pick up the slack. With Yakuza Kiwami doing 200k there's a possibility that this title could still push more than 500k. The only hang up is I don't know how much of that 200k was split between PlayStation 3 and 4 skus which could be a major factor.
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Sony ended up cancelling the Korean release because of the game's content. I'm not sure it'll get approved elsewhere.
 
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saichi

Member
zeromcd73 said:
http://gekicore-gamelife.com/ranking/15623.html

I believe this store is a bit different from the one we usual get the first day sell-through from. Still interesting though so will post.

First day sell-though
44% - Yakuza 6
38% - Kunio-kun
33% - Megami Meguri
20% - PuyoPuyo Chronicle
2% - Miitopia

In regards to next week, says that SaGa's preorders aren't increasing much.
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I wonder if Miitopia's internal codename is steam

Chris1964 said:
NSW it is then.
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good choice

hiska-kun said:
Just for curiosity, here the sell-through comparision with FFXIII:

Media Create Sell-through

[PS4] Final Fantasy XV # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2016.11.29} (¥8.800) - 690.471 / NEW <64,63%> [Units shipped => 1.068.344]

[PS3] Final Fantasy XIII # <RPG> (Square Enix) {2009.12.17} (¥7.980) - 1.501.964 / NEW <83,96%> [Units shipped => 1.788.904]
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Don't forget digital... Biggest week 1 digital sale! /s
 
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