GarciaHotspur
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Atlus USA kills rumors | no PC & Switch versions of Persona 5 & Yakuza 0
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GhostTrick
Banned
To be frank, the only persons I seen on GAF using the PC Master Race crap are usually the same kind of person who gets "physically ill" or gets their "stomach hurt" when "their games" gets ported elsewhere. People arent port begging in here. I dont see many, if any people, investing Persona or Yakuza threads with "not on my fave platform = no buy".
Let's not mix facts. People didnt start wonder "Hey, let's ask about Yakuza 0 for no reason !" That thing started with Sony's way of labeling games.
P5 is a cross-platform game. Would the Vita not be able to handle that? (This isn't meant to be a snide rebuttal or anything like that. Just genuinely curious.)
I'm saying that it's more /plausible/ that Atlus would port it over to the Vita given that that is what they've been doing for the past 18 years or so. Thus, it's not something as far-reaching as a PC port. i.e. Situation A: (Asking for a Vita port) =/= Situation B: (Asking for a PC port). They're not situations that are equal/have equivalent stakes/have equal merit with one another.
Heck. They might even just release an enhanced PS4 version of the game like what they did with P3: FES on the PS2. It's Atlus.
Honestly, I don't mind people tweeting Atlus JP about their disappointment at the lack of a PC port or requesting that they bring it over to the platform. (Hardin mentioned that he did try to bring it up to the higher-ups but they just weren't interested.) It's the dismissive posts of "I'll just wait for the PC port" (despite Atlus saying otherwise) that tend to derail threads that irk me.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Let me tell you something my friend. Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane.
hemo memo
Gold Member
I'm just saying that's not his decision. You read it like a port will never happen because like this is Atlus JP CEO tweet. with all due respect to John ofcource.
Fyi I play primarily on PS4 and my interest in a PC port is 0.
The Vita is a great machine but Atlus would have zero reason to put the game there considering Vita's current standing. You can get some amazing visuals on the Vita if you try (Killzone) but that takes work, money, and time. And the end result still isn't as good as the PS3 so it's not just a simple porting job. It's just not worth it to them.
But you're right, it is more plausible that they'd spend more time and money doing that, than putting it on PC. Some Japanese developers are very stubborn when it comes to looking at the big picture.
Sad Affleck
Member
I understand the concept of buying a platform to play certain games but I'm not a passionate fan of Atlus because they've never given me the opportunity to be. I am interested in their games but I will never buy a new platform just to play them. It's not worth it to me, so the only way they'll reach me is by releasing their games on PC. It's fine if they don't but they should know that they are leaving money on the table.
GhostTrick
Banned
Sad Affleck
Member
No, but it could be that I misread it. I thought you meant that instead of asking for a port I should buy the platform the game is being released on.
Edit: Oh crap, now I see it. Sorry!
Edit 2: Fixed.
Napalm_Frank
Member
As usual Sega hates money.
No harm to me personally since I would buy P5 on PS4 anyway but I feel like PC version would do really well.
No harm to me personally since I would buy P5 on PS4 anyway but I feel like PC version would do really well.
I get what your saying, but i think their viewpoint is, if you werent going to bother buying their game on the system it originally came out on, then they don't need your money.
Generally speaking, Atlus JP are very traditionally conservative. They rarely(i dont think they have) done multiplats for specific games and rarely port years later to platforms even in the same family.
I would not count Persona 5 bucking that trend. Their new studio might have that in mind, but its super far off
Atlus JP have full control, Sega has no ability to force them to do anything they don't want to, unlike Valkyria team for example, which is probably going to port Valkyria Revolution to every platform under the sun
StereoVsn
Member
Nobody is disputing that Altus is very conservative or that P5 is unlikely to show up on PC. The main point being that P5 would have likely done very well on Steam and evidence was provided on how well some of the better know Japanese games have done on Steam (like Tales for example).
For P5, 200-300K of extra sales is significant considering they did 550K in Japan so far (might include Asia Japanese release). Porting a PS4 game to PC is not likely to be a difficult or an expensive task. So they are leaving a chunk of cash on the table and it is puzzling why that is so. Even Gust games are coming to Steam now.
Sad Affleck
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That's fine. They are completely wrong of course, we've had several japanese releases on PC in the last few years that prove how backwards that kind of thinking is, but if they don't want or need more customers it is absolutely their choice and I respect it.
The Vita is a great machine but Atlus would have zero reason to put the game there considering Vita's current standing. You can get some amazing visuals on the Vita if you try (Killzone) but that takes work, money, and time. And the end result still isn't as good as the PS3 so it's not just a simple porting job. It's just not worth it to them.
But you're right, it is more plausible that they'd spend more time and money doing that, than putting it on PC. Some Japanese developers are very stubborn when it comes to looking at the big picture.
Sometimes, I wish I could take a peek at their internal reasonings or calculated financial reports. It's not like they're solely loyal to just Sony because SMT (Persona's sister series) is more or less a Nintendo franchise. I mean, they even collaborated with Nintendo to make a crossover game. And I doubt that it's some exclusive contractual agreement because boy, would that be one incredibly lengthy exclusive contract. And surely, Sony would lavish more attention onto the series if that were the case.
Oh well. Who knows.
I like how this post was completely ignored.
Maybe because it makes a reasonable point?
Frostman
Member
This isn't the first time a thread has been created on this topic (specifically Yakuza). The threads will always be pointless. John is the only person who would actually comment on this topic because he is the mouth for Atlus USA, yet when he does we always get the same responses, "PR being PR", "like he would be able to say anything anyway" although these statements may carry some weight I find that insulting to him especially when we know he browses GAF.
I understand some would like too see Yakuza on PC, but considering none have gone to PC in the first place the expectation shouldn't be there. Believe it or not, not all of your favourite games are going to be on your favourite platform. Shocking I know.
And to top it of i just laugh at the people who have a PS4 but refuse to buy it for the system because it's "not used enough" or "collecting dust".
I understand some would like too see Yakuza on PC, but considering none have gone to PC in the first place the expectation shouldn't be there. Believe it or not, not all of your favourite games are going to be on your favourite platform. Shocking I know.
And to top it of i just laugh at the people who have a PS4 but refuse to buy it for the system because it's "not used enough" or "collecting dust".
Most of them are trolling.
of the two games in the thread title I would much rather have Yakuza 0, or any Yakuza even for that matter on PC. I would even take Dead Souls...
As for Persona, I'll stick with actual SMT games..
If you don't count PC then sure.
Cause that PS europe trailer should not be taken with anything more than a grain of salt
Spikematic
Member
Never even knew there were rumors about this releasing on the PC. Oh well, hope people can give it a rest now.
Also...
I know that post was on the first page, but what the actual fuck? Early contender for the stupidest post of the year. The mental gymnastics needed to make sense of what the flying fuck that means are beyond me. You deserve a tag for this for sure.
Also...
I know that post was on the first page, but what the actual fuck? Early contender for the stupidest post of the year. The mental gymnastics needed to make sense of what the flying fuck that means are beyond me. You deserve a tag for this for sure.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
The preservation stance was always the most hilarious veil to portbeg in my eyes. The game is on a physical disc, and can be played on a physical system. The only problem is the user not willing to buy said things.
Hahahahaha lmao
Supporting exclusives......disgusting.
Having to buy a console is apparently a hard to pill to swallow for some. Leads to question what they did previous generation. Choosing a device to play games always came down to what library of games the system would have and does, and even if there were games on other systems that interested me, a holistic decision was made. At the end of the day, the easiest way is to simply go out and buy the system if you want to play the game so badly rather than wait for a hypothetical port. It will most likely lead to you discovering even more games.
Persona 5 is effectively a PS4 exclusive. MEA is PS4/XB1/PC.
If PC was such a haven of wanted third party games then you wouldn't have threads full of PC portbegging: RDR2, KH3, P5, Bloodborne, NioH, Ni No Kuni 2, AC7, DQ11, etc (there will be more to come). PS4 gets both desired Western and Japanese games.
Hahahahaha lmao
Supporting exclusives......disgusting.
Having to buy a console is apparently a hard to pill to swallow for some. Leads to question what they did previous generation. Choosing a device to play games always came down to what library of games the system would have and does, and even if there were games on other systems that interested me, a holistic decision was made. At the end of the day, the easiest way is to simply go out and buy the system if you want to play the game so badly rather than wait for a hypothetical port. It will most likely lead to you discovering even more games.
Persona 5 is effectively a PS4 exclusive. MEA is PS4/XB1/PC.
If PC was such a haven of wanted third party games then you wouldn't have threads full of PC portbegging: RDR2, KH3, P5, Bloodborne, NioH, Ni No Kuni 2, AC7, DQ11, etc (there will be more to come). PS4 gets both desired Western and Japanese games.
I'd say consoles (in this case, PS4) have the edge when it comes to the exclusivity console oriented games indeed, but PC has been getting better and better about it, so it's no wonder so many people don't need a console anymore. So of course some of the people transitioning from consoles to PC are going to miss some exclusives, but in my case at least, it's been absolutely worth it (especially since I'm now also playing PC exclusives). As for PS4 games, I only want KOFXIV, so it's the only game I'd port beg
This isn't really a direct response to your post, but I'd like to use it to point out how the 'it was never on PC, why would it come to PC?'-talking point doesn't really mean much.
Games are never on PC... until they are.
Dark Souls wasn't on PC until it was, and now you have Dark Souls 3 being one of the 12 best-selling games of 2016 on Steam.
There was no Tales of-game on Steam before Zestiria, but it did well enough that Berseria is a simultaneous release as well.
There was a time where people laughed at the notion of a Disgaea game ever coming to Steam. Now NISA is busy putting their entire backlog on Steam one at a time, while at the same time bringing their new releases as well. They already have 9 games announced for Steam in 2017, of which at least half are new releases launching simultaneously with consoles.
Heck, we went from 'GUST games will never be on PC' to suddenly 3 games coming this year, 1 of which isn't even out yet for consoles.
Square-Enix was busy filling their Steam-catalogue with Final Fantasy games the last years. Now you currently have every mainline FF game except 1, 2, 12, and 15 on one platform.
And the list goes on.
Now of course there are obvious games that will never come to PC, I mean everyone who thinks Bloodborne or Uncharted will eventually come to Steam is delusional, but it's not unreasonable to hope that third-party games get ported over.
Glass Rebel
Member
This is gonna be a super useful thread in 8 days.
Most of them are coming to PC, people are just tired of some companies not being honest about platforms from the beginning.
I know it's been talked about to death but I still for the life of me can't get over those people who want 5 or 6 console games but refuse to buy one. Any of the 3 can be found for $200 or less now(in the US at least). I've never met anyone in real life(literally hundreds of gaming enthusiasts) that was so seemingly petty. Now it's understandable if someone doesn't spend much on games at all or only has a small passing interest, but a lot of these threads are filled with the same people.
Quite a few people were adamant that Destiny was going to be on PC also. I say we just wait. Also, just because a game ends up on PC doesn't mean that it's some nefarious scheme to try to get everyone to double dip. It may very well be not decided until the game is receive certain way on console.
Edit: If somehow P5 were to ever get a PC port, I would be first in line to double dip on that shit.
Quite a few people were adamant that Destiny was going to be on PC also. I say we just wait. Also, just because a game ends up on PC doesn't mean that it's some nefarious scheme to try to get everyone to double dip. It may very well be not decided until the game is receive certain way on console.
Edit: If somehow P5 were to ever get a PC port, I would be first in line to double dip on that shit.
Hoping is one thing but expecting it as though it's already a given? It makes my head spin. @_@ Atlus says 'no' but it obviously means 'yes'. Atlus has never done this before or shown any inclination of doing so but trust me. It's happening.
Why do people do that to themselves? If it happens, it happens.
I agree, but the outcome has largely been the same in this thread.
Sad Affleck
Member
I don't think it is that hard to grasp that some people would rather spend those $200 on games or other stuff instead of buying a device that they have no other use for. I want to give that money to the developers whose product I want, not Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo whose product I don't want. It may be how things are done but things change, as is evident by the amount of japanese former console exclusives being released on PC.
You already stated that you only have a passing interest in the game to start with. There are some here and a couple other forums that I frequent who go nuts about a lot of 3rd party games with no PC version. I understand not wanting to spend that money on a console, but it's not like it's a waste. It will give access to a good amount of games that a person wouldn't otherwise, including the few that are apparently worth posting multiple times in various threads on the topic.
It's not hard to grasp that people don't WANT to spend money on a console, but it is ridiculous that some REFUSE to. There's always the argument of there being plenty of other games to play, and if that's the case, why be all hot and bothered by these console exclusives anyway?
SlipperyFishes
Banned
Great the port begging vs console warriors has started.
I'm checking out but fwiw I would have bought this on Switch day one Altus.
Day fucking One.
Still have my Amazon pre order tho
I'm checking out but fwiw I would have bought this on Switch day one Altus.
Day fucking One.
Still have my Amazon pre order tho
Sad Affleck
Member
I think it is because there is no good reason for these games to be exclusive. I understand why first-party games and third party stuff like Bloodborne are exclusive. Console makers pay for them. No such reason exists here.
I wasn't expecting P5 on Switch but at the same time it doesn't seem like conclusive evidence... at all.
They're selling their game now, on the platform it is, that's it.
As a friend made me remember. Another guy like him was saying Gravity 2 was coming on Vita before the fated announcement.
They're selling their game now, on the platform it is, that's it.
As a friend made me remember. Another guy like him was saying Gravity 2 was coming on Vita before the fated announcement.
Absolutely.
I very much disagree, my ignore list grows by the minute - being able to filter so much crap within such a short time span is quite the blessing.
There are a lot of PC exclusives(that are low on CPU usage) that don't come to console either. PS4/XB1 both support M/KB if built into the game. Most games don't get an absolute ton of patches, so the patching certification/fee shouldn't be a big deal overall. Even then there are still games like Torchlight 2 that are exclusive with the very similar Diablo 3 multiplat.
Etrian Odyssey could have done well on PS3/Vita and Persona 4 Golden on 3DS. All 5 mainline Disgaea games could run on Nintendo consoles, along with all the Neptunia games. Same with Senran Kagura Shinovi/Estival Versus(and Burst/2 on Vita). Final Fantasy 9/13 and Dragon's Dogma got late PC ports but not PS4. This shit happens with all platforms for various reasons. It seems a bit silly to me to be upset that one platform misses a few games, especially in light of it getting more games than all others combined(not sure about mobile).
Amazing stuff... and something we would just couple years ago laught off as ridiculous nonsense and we even got such niche and weird titles like Koei Tekmo,Compile Heart/IFFY or Spike Chunsoft production (and lets not forget another smaller ones with titles like EDF or lots of anime games ) which would be unthinkable not that long ago... pretty much last one who resists this trend is Altus !
What a wonderfull times we're are living now... really curious what happens in upcoming years ;-)
People do it to themselves, these games were always PS4 exclusive. It was never alluded otherwise by Atlus or Sega. Your fault for getting your imaginary hopes up.
I've never seen such a need for another platforms library. This happens every time. Not surprised by the outcome of the thread at all.
Persona 5 is also (and thank god runs fine and is launched in the West) on PS3
Eh. Same point.
This thread is 13+ pages long on 100ppp when it was definitively stated by the company's PR that the games would only be on PS4/3.