Yeah. The Japanese developers will go the ps3/vita + ps4 route.
3ds and switch version until the latter has taken off. Too much money left on the table otherwise.
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Betting time: Do you think the Switch will be a success?
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Yeah. The Japanese developers will go the ps3/vita + ps4 route.
3ds and switch version until the latter has taken off. Too much money left on the table otherwise.
Pretty sure a price cut is guaranteed after a few months, not exactly because of the price, but the lack of a real line-up in the beginning. They might even have an Ambassador program.
The Hermit
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It all comes down to value. If this was 200-250 people would be praising Nintendo. I loved the wackiness of all, it's very Japanese, and looks very fun.
But the 2 main problems for now is: price and payed Internet.
The "Darkest timeline" post showed that and I thought "man thank God Nintendo won't do that"
So yeah, I see this system as a local co-op only for now.
I'm not sure how well it'll sell at launch but yeah, eventually it'll start moving units. At the least I think it will be successful in Japan with strong 3rd party support there (Squenix/Atlus already on board).
How well it succeeds in other areas depends on a lot. Will the advertising campaign strike gold? Will consumers see the price point as fit? We'll see.
Oh yeah...Didn't even consider the thought of paid online for pokemon.
Oh nooooo Nintendo is doomed (Once again).
MisterR
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My interest was much higher before last night as well.
According to Eurogamer, Pokémon Stars (the third version of Sun/Moon) was originally pegged for Summer 2017 on the Switch, but Game Freak needing to polish Sun/Moon in time for Holiday 2016 caused Stars to get pushed back. And even then, releasing Stars on Day 1 (let alone announcing it at the Switch Presentation) would have cut Sun/Moon's legs from a sales perspective.
scoobs
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Depends what Nintendos definition of success is for it.
Will it reach Wii levels? 0% chance.
Will it compete with PS4 sales? Highly unlikely
Could it sell maybe 30-40 million units? Yea, I think so if the software is there. A full-length, legitimate Pokemon game is going to do serious wonders for moving hardware.
Their problem, again, is they're releasing a seriously under-powered device (Zelda is 900p for instance) into a market that is pushing 4K into the mainstream. Consumers will have big new fancy TVs and Nintendo games are going to look really, really rough on them. Which unfortunately means that 3rd parties won't support it with any of their big games aside from stuff like FIFA and NBA 2K, so it will once again be everybody's "second console" thus limiting its sales potential.
I might still buy it just to play that Zelda game. Damn that was a fine trailer.
Will it reach Wii levels? 0% chance.
Will it compete with PS4 sales? Highly unlikely
Could it sell maybe 30-40 million units? Yea, I think so if the software is there. A full-length, legitimate Pokemon game is going to do serious wonders for moving hardware.
Their problem, again, is they're releasing a seriously under-powered device (Zelda is 900p for instance) into a market that is pushing 4K into the mainstream. Consumers will have big new fancy TVs and Nintendo games are going to look really, really rough on them. Which unfortunately means that 3rd parties won't support it with any of their big games aside from stuff like FIFA and NBA 2K, so it will once again be everybody's "second console" thus limiting its sales potential.
I might still buy it just to play that Zelda game. Damn that was a fine trailer.
WhiteWaterM00se
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My guess is Nintendo has something else for E3. VR or SCD.
Switch will be $229 by holidays.
Skyrim could be a VR GAME. Doesn't make any sense to launch it a year after the Xbone remaster.
Hell, elder scrolls 6 could be available this holiday in the other systems. Won't that look bad!
Switch will be $229 by holidays.
Skyrim could be a VR GAME. Doesn't make any sense to launch it a year after the Xbone remaster.
Hell, elder scrolls 6 could be available this holiday in the other systems. Won't that look bad!
Manmademan
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The WiiU was a huge runaway success?? On what planet was that?
I think it's in trouble. It's a pretty great concept but it has priced itself right out of the market, especially for handheld users.
It could succeed in 2018 but sales will be so abysmal this year which 3rd party devs will want to make games for another floundering system. This system needs pokemon mainline stat to get those numbers up.
It could succeed in 2018 but sales will be so abysmal this year which 3rd party devs will want to make games for another floundering system. This system needs pokemon mainline stat to get those numbers up.
CyberChulo
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How many die hard nintendo fans are left? That's how many.
super.modulaire
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Slightly better sales than the Wii U. Not even close to Xbox One (in the same time frame).
I don't see it succeeding in the first year, if they aren't stubborn and drop the price maybe they can recover.
The price is just a huge barrier for kids who now have to convince their parents to buy a $300 machine + a game + accessories if they have siblings to play with + a recurring subscription now if they want to play online. Nintendo's handhelds were a great cheaper jumping in point for younger kids, this loses a lot of that appeal which really takes away the possible advantages of this strategy of combining Nintendo's player bases.
The price is just a huge barrier for kids who now have to convince their parents to buy a $300 machine + a game + accessories if they have siblings to play with + a recurring subscription now if they want to play online. Nintendo's handhelds were a great cheaper jumping in point for younger kids, this loses a lot of that appeal which really takes away the possible advantages of this strategy of combining Nintendo's player bases.
Fortinbras
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I agree with this.
onemanasylum
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Wiiu was a runaway success? On what planet?
Unlike the Wii U, it has the branding down. But like the Wii U, it's going to launch without many games and it maybe has too big an asking price. I don't know at this point. I want it to succeed definitely.
If the Wii U was a runaway success, the Switch wouldn't be here at all...
If the Wii U was a runaway success, the Switch wouldn't be here at all...
What thread ? Because after both console were actually revealed GAFs opinions matched the resulting sales of those 2 consoles.
Hope it happens in my lifetime.
The same amount of WiiU sold units less 2-3 mln of casual users that bought the console by mistaking its name.
Everything's possible I guess...
But I honestly don't see how it would be a success right now to be honest.
Expensive for its tech level, not really replacing the 3DS with its 3h battery, andmic number of titles at launch, emphasis on gimmicks, paid online, expensive controllers, timid support from 3rd parties (though better than nothing)...
A lot will depend on the quality of its first games, but even a stellar few releases on the WiiU did nothing for it.
Hard to be optimistic in those conditions tbh.
But I honestly don't see how it would be a success right now to be honest.
Expensive for its tech level, not really replacing the 3DS with its 3h battery, andmic number of titles at launch, emphasis on gimmicks, paid online, expensive controllers, timid support from 3rd parties (though better than nothing)...
A lot will depend on the quality of its first games, but even a stellar few releases on the WiiU did nothing for it.
Hard to be optimistic in those conditions tbh.
Lockjaw333
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It will do well initially but ultimately will be considered a fail.
Price is too high, too many different parts involved, too many accessories, the joy cons are too damn small, and I don't think the system power will keep it relevant.
Price is too high, too many different parts involved, too many accessories, the joy cons are too damn small, and I don't think the system power will keep it relevant.
Caipirinha
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Neither of whom currently care, or will care, about the Switch.
The Wii was the first major motion sensing console, it was genuinely a surprise to consumers.
That shark has been well and truly jumped
Milly Osworth
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I think it will fail, sadly.
+ Mario, Zelda and all other great Nintendo games.
+ Wii motion games on the go, without the need for a tv could be huge for casuals.
- Price too high.
- Awful launch line up.
- Accessorries way too expensive.
- Too weak for a console, too short battery for a handheld.
- Paid online?!
- Online service not ready for launch, will probably take 2 years to actually get done.
- No 3rd party support, "hardcore" gamers (bloodlusting teenagers) need that.
- Too few Nintendo games at launch or launch window, where are they!?
Nope, not going to happen.
+ Mario, Zelda and all other great Nintendo games.
+ Wii motion games on the go, without the need for a tv could be huge for casuals.
- Price too high.
- Awful launch line up.
- Accessorries way too expensive.
- Too weak for a console, too short battery for a handheld.
- Paid online?!
- Online service not ready for launch, will probably take 2 years to actually get done.
- No 3rd party support, "hardcore" gamers (bloodlusting teenagers) need that.
- Too few Nintendo games at launch or launch window, where are they!?
Nope, not going to happen.
Shadow Broker
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Last night's event was a roller coaster. They were many ups and downs.
These stupid leakers and paper in Japan got Gaf hyped for unofficial and unconfirmed news. So when Nintendo revealed the official price at 300$ which isn't bad everyone is lashing out at Nintendo instead of the leakers.
My biggest down was when Nintendo announced multiplayer fee. I. Did. Not. Want. To. Hear. That. Shit.
Other then that I'm fine with what I saw.
SporeCrawler
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like with any launch the first launch units will sell out
- Too weak to compete with other consoles for 3rd party support.
What third parties are we talking about? Devs of Layton, Yokai Watch, Senran Kagura, Monster hunter, Ace Attorney and a lot of indie devs may be interested in this. - Too weak battery life AND too big in size to replace the 3DS.
Hardware Revisions are happening a lot with nintendo I hear - Gamers remember all the promises of the Wii U and will adopt a wait and see.
They will sell out the initial launch allotment. The real battle is the holiday 2017 potentially the period shortly before that and they have some good system sellers for those periods (arms, mario kart and splatoon)
- Developers remember how their games didn't sell on the WiiU and adopt a wait and see.
Thats why Nintendo makes their own games
- Parents will see the paid web services as an extra and wait and see.
Also what alternative is there for parents who dont want kids to play violent games all the time?
- 32gb in 2017?
once again its a handheld device. A HDD on a handheld would be ludicrous
not all devs can afford triple A HD console 4K gaming
there is a reason why Vita and 3DS are still the kings of Japanese game development
someone who wants to play the games outside, in the subway on a train.. hell do some of you people even know what the switch is? the possibility to switch between portable and home console is like the main feature of this thing and people are still comparing it to regular home consoles
Not even, I know some die hard Nintendo loyalists that will defend them on just about everything. But the Switch?... They can't justify or defend it after the presentation, not with the price, online subscription, and line up.
ebullientprism
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I think its gonna do better than the WiiU. Not anywhere close to PS4/XB1 or PS360 numbers though.
WhiteWaterM00se
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Neither of whom currently care, or will care, about the Switch.
The Wii was the first major motion sensing console, it was genuinely a surprise to consumers.
That shark has been well and truly jumped
They can't let go of that Wii crowd . Riding the sinking ship all the way down.
Thing is, if they'd just kept the price sensible (even if they'd continued with paid online, although I think they shouldn't have), not packed the joycons with all this utterly pointless technology that no doubt jacks the price up further and, again, muddies the core concept of the machine, I'd have said yes. There was genuine enthusiasm for this thing after the reveal and I feel as though plenty of people would be perfectly happy with a low price, low power console that offers something the others do not. The console price is ridiculous, though, and the accessories are genuinely disgraceful. I've owned every Nintendo home console apart from the Virtua Boy and still love their games, but the Switch is totally off my radar and it really feels as though they're trying to gouge their supporters with this pricing.
The 3DS only became a success after its price dropped.
Very unlikely the Switch will be a success at its current price, imo.
Succinct Verbosity
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If Pokemon is released all bets are off imo.
These people on GAF are hilarious, don't want to pay for online services yet I'm sure most people do for the PS4/XBOne and don't see them complaining.
Controllers are expensive and too much yet PS4/Xbone controllers go between $59.99-$74.99 regular price.
No games at all yet has more games for the year than the Wii U did. We haven't even seen the treehouse for today yet.
$300.00 is too much compared to $249.99 which is a $50 difference in price and can be easy to budget for unless the only reason why is it's expensive for people is because it's "Nintendo" and people were burned by the Wii U so they hold a grudge. I know I felt burned by the deluxe Wii U at $349.99 but I honestly feel the launch for this one is different and am looking forward to it. This is a launch system folks I'm sure we can expect it to go down a little in the future especially during the holiday. Not sure how people could justify the other two systems at launch with the pricing especially with the games at launch and the year. Remember a lot of people complained about the PS4 for that and look at where it's at right now.
Saltiness levels are all over the place for sure and it's making me laugh too much.
Controllers are expensive and too much yet PS4/Xbone controllers go between $59.99-$74.99 regular price.
No games at all yet has more games for the year than the Wii U did. We haven't even seen the treehouse for today yet.
$300.00 is too much compared to $249.99 which is a $50 difference in price and can be easy to budget for unless the only reason why is it's expensive for people is because it's "Nintendo" and people were burned by the Wii U so they hold a grudge. I know I felt burned by the deluxe Wii U at $349.99 but I honestly feel the launch for this one is different and am looking forward to it. This is a launch system folks I'm sure we can expect it to go down a little in the future especially during the holiday. Not sure how people could justify the other two systems at launch with the pricing especially with the games at launch and the year. Remember a lot of people complained about the PS4 for that and look at where it's at right now.
Saltiness levels are all over the place for sure and it's making me laugh too much.
Delusibeta
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I expect a 3DS style price cut and ambassador program before the end of August.
Manmademan
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Literally had the same reaction you did.
The 3DS also while successful for Nintendo did less than half the numbers of its predecessor against far weaker competition in the dedicated handheld space.
mobile is devouring that market, it's irreversible and Nintendo has to know this.
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