Jimmyfenix
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Syrenne McNulty, Switch Dev, gives wrong details on NS, Joycon, VC and more
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franklyshankly
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Seems pretty simple to me. He is saying it is not entirely removed from the VC store, you can still buy it. You probably also have the "opportunity" such that when you buy it you keep the progress you made during the free month. But you can no longer play it for free.
People trying to hyper parse this to mean it is like ps+ seem to be going a bit too far.
No, it can't. Because there is a very clear question leading to that answer. Read it. Read it as many times it takes to understand it.
Sora the Cat
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As I said, I'm not defending Nintendo, I really don't care about the outcome of this, just find it interesting. You have other people in this thread who also thinks that the comment could be clearly taken both ways. You want to make this into a fight instead of tolerating other people's opinion, that's why there is no discussion.
I'm not saying it doesn't mean what you think, I'm just saying it could very well mean both. You should take some time to read the explanation of why there is two interpretations to that "Access" line.
Ninja Scooter
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There is no need to tolerate nonsense. That only lowers the level of discourse.
Lol sadly it's not, check my post history.
Either way I'm going to stick with what Reggie initially stated and wait it out to the fall before considering purchase.
Scooter nailed it earlier, their subscription model is so absurd relative to the competition, that you really want to believe it's some kind of miscommunication when its not.
I hope they change their tune before the launch of this service, or at least price it well below the competition.
calc84maniac
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There is a very simple question asked by Wired and answered with "Correct". There is no discussion to be had on this unless you want to change the definition of the word "correct".
I mean, if you want continue twisting his words to fit whatever warped sense you want, you're more than free. But as it stands, his current quote's straightforward and easy to comprehend.
https://www.wired.com/2017/01/reggie-fils-aime-nintendo-interview
You're correct, there's no discussion to be had in regards to that quote. It's clear and no confusion should be had.
The monthly incentive game you get with the subscription is for that period of time, if we're to go by Reggie's latest quote.(provided they don't change it or reiterate).
Okami Haundo
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Didn't have a chance to see if someone else answered you already, so I'll do so anyway! I'm curious to see that as well! I can't imagine it would take up a ton of resources to keep an SNES game with an online mode active after that initial month. I also feel like it would be a bit misleading to offer it free with online, and then strip that service away after a month. I guess we'll see but I hope that's not their plan.
As for the second question, they were a bit vague about this. Their site says that "most games" will require the paid online service for multiplayer. That tells us nothing about what kind of games could qualify as an exemption though... My guess would be simple titles like SwapDoodle on 3DS. You're technically sending information back and forth, but I don't think that's complex enough to warrant a paid service.
"The Nintendo website, Reggie himself, and reputable journalists are saying what I don't want to hear!
I guess I'll take the word of this random developer who I've never heard of before because she hears what I want to say. In the meantime I can assume I'm correct because there's no evidence that disagrees with me because I ignored or willingly misinterpreted everything that doesn't fit my perspective."
Sora the Cat
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I see you won't take the time to read other's people post explaining it. It's fine.
To a native English speaker, this isn't true.
The official response/clarification from Reggie is totally clear, and even the official description on the Nintendo site says the same if it's taken as stated. No, it's not the answer we'd like.
Which is why the specific question was answered after-the-fact by Reggie for more clarity.
calc84maniac
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The Nintendo website can also be interpreted both ways. "You can download certain games for free for a month" is also a statement that applies to PS+.
Again, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but shutting down the discussion because it doesn't jive with YOUR interpretation is just as bad.
Ninja Scooter
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If you look at things objectively their explanations make no sense. They only make sense if you are in denial and desperate to spin it into something it's not. Yes, if you come at it from that perspective, you can make it sound like whatever you want. But think about that premise, for that to make ANY bit of sense, one has to believe that Reggie Fils Aime, someone with 30+ years in the marketing game, took something that would be a positive (you get to keep the games for the life of the subscription) and when asked, purposefully clouded that message and focused on negative aspects (you lose the game, you can buy it later)...for what reason?
orthodoxy1095
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I don't tolerate opinions that are out of orbit from the planet called "Reality."
Like I said, if Reggie meant what you all are claiming he meant, he has to be one of the worst PR men in the industry and has to have one of the worst commands of the English language of any executive.
Yeah, you're correct. Most of what this dev is saying is just bollocks unfortunately.
Sora the Cat
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Don't even try, they are just looking for a fight. It tends to happen whenever there is a new console announcement, that's why I don't take these guys comments to heart.
Jimmyfenix
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This is the actual quote from the nintendo website
"Subscribers will get to download and play a Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) or Super Nintendo Entertainment System (Super NES) game (with newly-added online play) for free for a month"
"Subscribers will get to download and play a Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) or Super Nintendo Entertainment System (Super NES) game (with newly-added online play) for free for a month"
Forsaken82
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Because she signed a document that said if she wants to continue to be a developing partner with Nintendo and not get sued, she can't talk specs...
There isn't some grand conspiracy here.
Ninja Scooter
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But I'm sure that sounds a lot differently when you are reading it from inside a bubble. IT COULD MEAN ANYTHING!
DangerMouse
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Yeah, he'd be sabotaging his own message, he's an old-timer at this.
The Wii U pricing situation falls into the narrative for why Switch is $299 and why the accessories have such a high mark up.
If it sells poorly they still make money off the niche install base AND they have breathing room for the price cut down to $250 that a lot of people were expecting.
Maybe it means that the selected game is available to be downloaded for a month. Like PS Plus. Could be poorly worded.
If it sells poorly they still make money off the niche install base AND they have breathing room for the price cut down to $250 that a lot of people were expecting.
Maybe it means that the selected game is available to be downloaded for a month. Like PS Plus. Could be poorly worded.
Really glad to hear the free games each month aren't rentals. Nintendo needs to get their information clear.
This. Really sad that the Wii U never made any money at all. Poor little guy RIP
Nintendo said:
Reggie said:
https://twitter.com/kobunheat/status/819956802741747712
The last tweet was cited by most of the media outlets from The Verge to IGN.
Unless you think NoA doesn't have the proper knowledge of English language and it doesn't monitor the information about Switch after the conference, you have no point.
"That" would be an NDA signed by every developer because Nintendo never talks specs.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
Sigh.
DangerMouse
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Ninja Scooter
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Random person who I've never heard of's words carry more weight than the President of Nintendo of America....makes sense.
They did make it clear. The incentive games each month are one month trials (instead of the usual pay-for-continuous-access to them along with the rest of the features the service provides, like PS+), if we go by the current statements on the Nintendo website and Reggie.
Jimmyfenix
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They did.
Q: Nintendos online service for Switch will charge a monthly fee and one of the incentives is one free classic game per month. Does that mean you lose access to that game after a month?
A: Correct.
SolidSnakex
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Here's how Sony described the Plus games when it started
Pretty clear distinction between both programs.
orthodoxy1095
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Chris Kohler, who is a far more reputable source than the person quoted in this thread, and who wrote the damn Wired article that we keep quoting, agrees with our interpretation.
They key point here of course being "and play." Note the obvious difference to the IGC wording from Sony's FAQ:
That would be some incredibly poor wording.
Question: Does that mean you lose access to that game after a month?
Reggie: Correct.
The wording really is ambiguous. The proper question would be "Does that mean you are no longer able to play that game after a month?"
The "access" thing may as well be referring to the eShop or the (free) access to it during that month.
Buying the game would give you the opportunity to keep it even after the subscription.
But as many before me have said: there has to be a clarification on that.
orthodoxy1095
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Q: Does that mean you are no longer able to play that game after a month?"
A: "Subscribers will get to download and play a Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) or Super Nintendo Entertainment System (Super NES) game (with newly-added online play) for free for a month."
calc84maniac
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Yes, the main distinction is that PlayStation did the right thing and went into the exact details of how the service operates in full paragraph form, instead of going with a single sentence that has too many qualifiers in it.
The ones who are in denial here are those who think there is absolutely no room for doubt, because it obviously hasn't been made crystal clear through any channel. And this applies to both sides.
Ninja Scooter
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This is either some top notch trolling or just comically sad. In hindsight, I'm glad this thread wasn't locked for all the false info in the OP (even though it deserves to be) for all the entertainment.
Jimmyfenix
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i think i'm in the twilight zone right now
It's still ambiguous, because that "for free for a month" can refer to "download" and/or "download and play". It is super weird wording: someone should directly ask Reggie or whoever whether those games get "taken away" from the library / hard drive (because that would be the case, right? They remotely delete it somehow) or whatever.
Secondly:
Q: How long do I get to keep the free games with PS Plus?
A: Games you get with PS Plus are free to download with a PS Plus membership. As long as you are a PS Plus member, you'll always have access to any game you've added to your library, even if you've previously deleted a game from your hard drive.
- So do they mean I cannot play that game in my library? I can just "access" it for installation purposes?
Then the person who is in charged of writing that statement need to be fired immediately.