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[SolidSnakex]

Yes, the main distinction is that PlayStation did the right thing and went into the exact details of how the service operates in full paragraph form, instead of going with a single sentence that has too many qualifiers in it.

The ones who are in denial here are those who think there is absolutely no room for doubt, because it obviously hasn't been made crystal clear through any channel. And this applies to both sides.

But why would they be so bad at PR that they could make something that is a positive, which is that you can keep your NES/SNES forever or at least until you subscription expires, into something that's bad and never issue a PR statement to correct it? If you could keep those titles forever then surely they would've reached out to Wired, IGN, Gamespot etc. to tell them that. But it's been days since the Switch reveal and they haven't said anything. And all their public statements all point toward it literally only being accessible for the month that it was released.

I know Nintendo can be bad at PR sometimes, but I really can't see how they'd allow this story to continue if this were simply an issue of a misinterpretation. All it'd take is an update to their website or a simple PR statement.

 

[Robert at Zeboyd Games]

I find it unlikely that the dev in question even has a Switch devkit given how difficult they are to acquire.

 

[Firehead]

It's still ambiguous, because that "for free for a month" can refer to "download" and/or "download and play".

Secondly:

Q: How long do I get to keep the free games with PS Plus?
A: Games you get with PS Plus are free to download with a PS Plus membership. As long as you are a PS Plus member, you’ll always have access to any game you’ve added to your library, even if you’ve previously deleted a game from your hard drive.

- So do they mean I cannot play that game in my library? I can just "access" it for installation purposes?

...What?

 

[Osiris]

The amibiguity is really only there for those that deeply want it to be true to the point of refusing to see plain truth in front of them.

Reminds me of an explanation of the true understanding of a common known, but often misunderstood idiom:

"There are none so blind as those who will not see".

Often misquoted as "...those who can not see."

But the "will" is the importance of the idiom, and replacing it with "can" removes it's true meaning, if you choose not to see plain truths, no-one can help you.

 

[Esiquio]

Finally some good news.

Edit:

This is a pretty good post.

 

[nynt9]

But why would they be so bad at PR that they could make something that is a positive, which is that you can keep your NES/SNES forever or at least until you subscription expires, into something that's bad and never issue a PR statement to correct it? If you could keep those titles forever then surely they would've reached out to Wired, IGN, Gamespot etc. to tell them that. But it's been days since the Switch reveal and they haven't said anything. And all their public statements all point toward it literally only being accessible for the month that it was released.

I know Nintendo can be bad at PR sometimes, but I really can't see how they'd allow this story to continue if this were simply an issue of a misinterpretation. All it'd take is an update to their website or a simple PR statement.

I mean, this is Nintendo.

That being said, Reggie's statement isn't ambiguous. If anything it looks like his regular trying to spin a negative into a positive, yet it's so clear cut that he can't. It's not like him botching a positive statement.

 

[JayTapp]

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just give up, I'm sure people are just trolling at this point. I mean English and basic text comprehension isn't THAT hard.

 

[Y2Kev]

It's still ambiguous, because that "for free for a month" can refer to "download" and/or "download and play". It is super weird wording: someone should directly ask Reggie or whoever whether those games get "taken away" from the library / hard drive (because that would be the case, right? They remotely delete it somehow) or whatever.

Secondly:

Q: How long do I get to keep the free games with PS Plus?
A: Games you get with PS Plus are free to download with a PS Plus membership. As long as you are a PS Plus member, you’ll always have access to any game you’ve added to your library, even if you’ve previously deleted a game from your hard drive.

- So do they mean I cannot play that game in my library? I can just "access" it for installation purposes?

Are you Nadia Comăneci

 

[Nerazar]

https://twitter.com/kobunheat/status/819956802741747712

http://www.nintendo.com/switch/online-service/

Play. Play. Play. FFS.

The tweet:

Confirmed by NOA: Monthly free classic game on Switch is indeed only available for that month [on the eShop? in the rotation? in the library?]. More deets on Virtual Console before launch.

No Play. Play. Play. here.

The second one still holds up. The wording is still ambiguous. Why are you so invested in this by the way? Instead of chilling out and waiting, you guys try to gangtroll me. I don't care that much, it may be version A or version B, I've made up my mind about online paywalls in general.

But if this thing is cleared up, I hope you guys do L M A O or FFS yourselves.

 

[nynt9]

The tweet:

Confirmed by NOA: Monthly free classic game on Switch is indeed only available for that month [on the eShop? in the rotation? in the library?]. More deets on Virtual Console before launch.

No Play. Play. Play. here.

The second one still holds up. The wording is still ambiguous. Why are you so invested in this by the way? Instead of chilling out and waiting, you guys try to gangtroll me. I don't care that much, it may be version A or version B, I've made up my mind about online paywalls in general.

But if this thing is cleared up, I hope you guys do L M A O or FFS yourselves.

It's really funny that you claim that we're all trying to troll you

 

[KeRaSh]

Pro controller does everything they Joycons do.
Pro controller does not have IR pointer.
Pro controller in fact does NOT do everything the Joycons do.

Sorry, I get hung up on stuff like that too easily...

I still can't believe the Wii U is still not profitable. Companies produce tablets with much higer quality and more powerful internals for fractions of what they are allegedly paying for a Wii U pad. Not to mention the Wii U itself with weak and old tech still costing even more. Really not buying that.

 

[Y2Kev]

The tweet:

Confirmed by NOA: Monthly free classic game on Switch is indeed only available for that month [on the eShop? in the rotation? in the library?]. More deets on Virtual Console before launch.

No Play. Play. Play. here.

The second one still holds up. The wording is still ambiguous. Why are you so invested in this by the way? Instead of chilling out and waiting, you guys try to gangtroll me. I don't care that much, it may be version A or version B, I've made up my mind about online paywalls in general.

But if this thing is cleared up, I hope you guys do L M A O or FFS yourselves.

The tweet right below it clarifies it.

Regular Chris Kohler ‏@kobunheat Jan 13
Sheesh, even my explanation was unclear. Sorry.

After a month, you can no longer PLAY the monthly Switch online classic unless you buy it.

People are getting frustrated because there is no way some person can genuinely be this difficult (or this naive).

 

[crimilde]

Have I just stumbled upon a logical paradox discussion here?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_paradox

 

[10k]

This thread was a mistake.

 

[Voysa Reezun]

I think the bigger disappointment is that the free monthly game is Nintendo's choice, not the player's choice.

Like, seriously? You're going to yank access to the free VC title after a month and we don't even get to pick which game?

But if they pick it, you'll be playing the same game as everyone else! This ensures that you'll have something to talk about with your friends over their mobile app!

 

[Frodo]

That title change...


I thought all the speculation would end with the presentation, but in the end it only made things worse. Now there are more things to speculate about.

Nintendo does need to work on their communication.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

The tweet:

Confirmed by NOA: Monthly free classic game on Switch is indeed only available for that month [on the eShop? in the rotation? in the library?]. More deets on Virtual Console before launch.

No Play. Play. Play. here.

The second one still holds up. The wording is still ambiguous. Why are you so invested in this by the way? Instead of chilling out and waiting, you guys try to gangtroll me. I don't care that much, it may be version A or version B, I've made up my mind about online paywalls in general.

But if this thing is cleared up, I hope you guys do L M A O or FFS yourselves.

 

[calc84maniac]

It's just, the thing that gets me is that people are not even able to accept the possibility that they are wrong. That is all I am proposing, that maybe the "obvious" interpretation is wrong. I give it about a 50℅ chance personally, but I'll laugh pretty hard if it's the "better" outcome.

 

[Airola]

I wonder if all the devs 10k had contacts with when he made his infamous NX rumor tier piece were these types of indie devs

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Anyhoo..

..I'm curious about these online NES/SNES games.

 

[Y2Kev]

That title change...


I thought all the speculation would end with the presentation, but in the end it only made things worse. Now there are more things to speculate about.

Nintendo does need to work with their communication.

I actually don't think the problem is with Nintendo. There's not that much complexity to communicate here. It's the same with that TouchSense thread which was also filled with people doing wonderful work on the uneven bars just to make sense of something that I think is very straightforward.

If you don't like what is written, it becomes a lot harder to accept things at their face value.

It's just, the thing that gets me is that people are not even able to accept the possibility that they are wrong. That is all I am proposing, that maybe the "obvious" interpretation is wrong. I give it about a 50℅ chance personally, but I'll laugh pretty hard if it's the "better" outcome.

There's also the possibility I can shoot fire out of my ass. If people are wrong, they're wrong. But geeze don't tell me I'm being pessimistic or not accepting of the possibility I am interpreting something incorrectly when it is so clear to interpret (and has been clarified multiple times BY NINTENDO).

 

[nynt9]

This thread was a mistake.

10k
I am not employed in the video game industry and I was previously banned after posting a bunch of questionable NX rumors I collected by talking to people on Twitter.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

"That" would be an NDA signed by every developer because Nintendo never talks specs.

Yeah I wonder why

 

[azyless]

The mental gymnastics in here are worthy of Simone Biles.

Who knows what Nintendo means when they straightup say you can play a game for free for a month !

 

[gogojira]

That thread title change, lol.

 

[jackal27]

They did.

Q: Nintendo's online service for Switch will charge a monthly fee and one of the incentives is one free classic game ”per month." Does that mean you lose access to that game after a month?

A: Correct.

Dammit.

One of the stupidest decisions they've ever made, especially in conjunction with charging for online services. It's going to come back to bite them.

EDIT: Reading through some more things on this, I'm still really confused. Just going to have to wait and see I guess. They need to get their communication together. One sentence does not cut it.

 

[Osiris]

It's just, the thing that gets me is that people are not even able to accept the possibility that they are wrong. That is all I am proposing, that maybe the "obvious" interpretation is wrong. I give it about a 50℅ chance personally, but I'll laugh pretty hard if it's the "better" outcome.

https://twitter.com/kobunheat/status/819957925976350720

 

[entremet]

The VC blip sounds absolutely bonkers and explains why it's so horribly managed.

Nintendo so backward sometimes.

 

[10k]

10k
I am not employed in the video game industry and I was previously banned after posting a bunch of questionable NX rumors I collected by talking to people on Twitter.

The hell does my tag have to do with what a dev said in a podcast?

All I see in every Nintendo thread is at least one or two posters attacking me by using my tag to avoid any discussion lol. Even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I'm just trying to share some interesting details here. I was at work when I posted this while listening to the podcast on lunch. Sheesh.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

It's just, the thing that gets me is that people are not even able to accept the possibility that they are wrong. That is all I am proposing, that maybe the "obvious" interpretation is wrong. I give it about a 50℅ chance personally, but I'll laugh pretty hard if it's the "better" outcome.

for this to be the "wrong" interpretation would require me to believe that marketing veteran Reggie Fils Aime and whoever else is in charge of creating Nintendo's websites, in addition to a respected journalist like Chris Kohler, are worse at communicating and interpreting Nintendo's own policies than a random indie developer. And you think that there is a 50% chance that this is the case.

 

[Shaanyboi]

I don't know what's happening anymore.

 

[Stevey]

You'll be able to play them for free for the month then you wont.
How hard is this?

 

[Voysa Reezun]

I don't know what's happening anymore.

Nintendo is refusing to take money from people who otherwise want to give it to them, so pretty much what happens for every post-Wii, post-DS Nintendo release.

 

[nynt9]

You'll be able to play them for free for a month then you wont.
How hard is this?

Yeah but when they say "a month", do they mean in real time, or in game time? For all we know you can keep the game as long as your "time played" counter doesn't reach 30 days.

Spoiler

/s

 

[Firehead]

The tweet:

Confirmed by NOA: Monthly free classic game on Switch is indeed only available for that month [on the eShop? in the rotation? in the library?]. More deets on Virtual Console before launch.

No Play. Play. Play. here.

The second one still holds up. The wording is still ambiguous. Why are you so invested in this by the way? Instead of chilling out and waiting, you guys try to gangtroll me. I don't care that much, it may be version A or version B, I've made up my mind about online paywalls in general.

But if this thing is cleared up, I hope you guys do L M A O or FFS yourselves.

You keep calling it ambiguous when there's nothing ambiguous about it. There's nothing to misconstrue.

It's just, the thing that gets me is that people are not even able to accept the possibility that they are wrong. That is all I am proposing, that maybe the "obvious" interpretation is wrong. I give it about a 50℅ chance personally, but I'll laugh pretty hard if it's the "better" outcome.

Where do you get that? No one's doubting the possibility that the they could change how long you can keep the incentive games from the service.
However, we're aware there's no ambiguity or any way to misconstrue the current quotes we've been given to mean any other thing than what they've plainly stated multiple times.

Maybe they'll change how it works in the future? Who knows? No one's ruling that out. I give that about a 50% chance personally.

 

[Gestault]

It's just, the thing that gets me is that people are not even able to accept the possibility that they are wrong. That is all I am proposing, that maybe the "obvious" interpretation is wrong. I give it about a 50℅ chance personally, but I'll laugh pretty hard if it's the "better" outcome.

It's possible we're wrong, but not based on the information available. The multiple layers of clarification all indicate the same thing.

 

[Sora the Cat]

The amibiguity is really only there for those that deeply want it to be true to the point of refusing to see plain truth in front of them.

I couldn't care less about this being truth or not as I said earlier, doesn't change the fact that I'm most likely not getting this service anyway. I just find kinda weird that people here are allowed to make posts based only on their will to make fun of someone else and get away with it. Thought that posting something like: "L M F A O" on response to someone (This isn't even my case) would be a nono on GAF.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

It's still ambiguous, because that "for free for a month" can refer to "download" and/or "download and play". It is super weird wording: someone should directly ask Reggie or whoever whether those games get "taken away" from the library / hard drive (because that would be the case, right? They remotely delete it somehow) or whatever.

Secondly:

Q: How long do I get to keep the free games with PS Plus?
A: Games you get with PS Plus are free to download with a PS Plus membership. As long as you are a PS Plus member, you'll always have access to any game you've added to your library, even if you've previously deleted a game from your hard drive.

- So do they mean I cannot play that game in my library? I can just "access" it for installation purposes?

The tweet:

Confirmed by NOA: Monthly free classic game on Switch is indeed only available for that month [on the eShop? in the rotation? in the library?]. More deets on Virtual Console before launch.

No Play. Play. Play. here.

The second one still holds up. The wording is still ambiguous. Why are you so invested in this by the way? Instead of chilling out and waiting, you guys try to gangtroll me. I don't care that much, it may be version A or version B, I've made up my mind about online paywalls in general.

But if this thing is cleared up, I hope you guys do L M A O or FFS yourselves.

Are you Nadia Comăneci

The hell does my tag have to do with what a dev said in a podcast?

All I see in every Nintendo thread is at least one or two posters attacking me by using my tag to avoid any discussion lol. Even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I'm just trying to share some interesting details here. I was at work when I posted this while listening to the podcast on lunch. Sheesh.

It shows that you have questionable judgement in discerning accurate information. More obvious in this case since we actually had information from the horses' mouth and the showfloor that contradicted what you shared.

 

[Gestault]

I just find kinda weird that people here are allowed to make posts based only on their will to make fun of someone else and get away with it. Thought that posting something like: "L M F A O" on response to someone (This isn't even my case) would be a nono on GAF.

The more ridiculous a string of conversation seems, the more likely people are to laugh. Think of it as laughing at the post, and not the person. You're right it can come across as mean-spirited (and there's the leeway for it to be enforced that way if it goes far enough), but when someone is so stubbornly not listening to valid information, there's not much else to do but smile and laugh. You're seeing it as someone being attacked, but they're seeing it as the natural reaction to the situation.

I hope that's not overstating anything, but I think it sums it up.

 

[Conkerkid11]

Her theory on VC is if you bought a VC game on 3DS or Wii U you'll pay an upgrade fee like you did ON Wii U. However, if you bought the same VC game on both Wii U and 3DS you'll get the Switch VC game for free. If you only bought it on Wii VC you're SOL.

Backwards ass Nintendo

 

[Reallink]

Pro controller does everything they Joycons do.
Pro controller does not have IR pointer.
Pro controller in fact does NOT do everything the Joycons do.

Sorry, I get hung up on stuff like that too easily...

I still can't believe the Wii U is still not profitable. Companies produce tablets with much higer quality and more powerful internals for fractions of what they are allegedly paying for a Wii U pad. Not to mention the Wii U itself with weak and old tech still costing even more. Really not buying that.

It's proprietary, outdated, deprecated technology Nintendo are single handedly keeping alive, not at all hard to believe the BoM has been stagnent it's entire life. This was a common criticism of Wii U's internals early on, that the old surgically cutdown tech was costing them the same or more than something several times faster and more modern. They stuck with the old and underpowered shit primarily to hit their self imposed 35 watt box target in an unecessarily small chasis.

 

[Aztechnology]

The thing about the WiiU gamepad costing 95 bucks to produce is fucking nuts... What the hell were they thinking?

They were thinking. Wii are Nintendo.

 

[nynt9]

The hell does my tag have to do with what a dev said in a podcast?

All I see in every Nintendo thread is at least one or two posters attacking me by using my tag to avoid any discussion lol. Even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I'm just trying to share some interesting details here. I was at work when I posted this while listening to the podcast on lunch. Sheesh.

What it has to do with is that it shows a trend of you taking unverified information and running with it. You yourself said the thread was a mistake. You highlighted, in your OP, the statements from the dev that directly contradict Nintendo PR, Reggie, journos and more. The fact that you highlight it is evidence that you knew this information was "juicy". That you didn't apply more rigor to whether this dev is actually credible or not is on your lack of judgment, as evidenced by the tag and your admission of a mistake. The dev has a lot of misinformation that they talk about, so if you REALLY wanted to make this thread, you should have highlighted it. But you clearly have a history of not doing your homework, hence my post. You put in enough effort to make a detailed summary, but either intentionally or not, didn't fact check or think about whether the dev is credible.

 

[ecosse_011172]

What it has to do with is that it shows a trend of you taking unverified information and running with it. You yourself said the thread was a mistake. You highlighted, in your OP, the statements from the dev that directly contradict Nintendo PR, Reggie, journos and more. The fact that you highlight it is evidence that you knew this information was "juicy". That you didn't apply more rigor to whether this dev is actually credible or not is on your lack of judgment, as evidenced by the tag and your admission of a mistake. The dev has a lot of misinformation that they talk about, so if you REALLY wanted to make this thread, you should have highlighted it. But you clearly have a history of not doing your homework, hence my post. You put in enough effort to make a detailed summary, but either intentionally or not, didn't fact check or think about whether the dev is credible.

It's a forum where people discuss video games, get a fucking grip!

 

[Gestault]

It's a forum where people discuss video games, get a fucking grip!

He's not wrong that signs were there to question the source/statements, and that the OP tends to not have a great filter.

 

[Messofanego]

The hell does my tag have to do with what a dev said in a podcast?

All I see in every Nintendo thread is at least one or two posters attacking me by using my tag to avoid any discussion lol. Even when it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I'm just trying to share some interesting details here. I was at work when I posted this while listening to the podcast on lunch. Sheesh.

Your tag ("I am not employed in the video game industry and I was previously banned after posting a bunch of questionable NX rumors I collected by talking to people on Twitter") seems pretty related, cause this is again spreading misinformation.

 

[Tripolygon]

What it has to do with is that it shows a trend of you taking unverified information and running with it. You yourself said the thread was a mistake. You highlighted, in your OP, the statements from the dev that directly contradict Nintendo PR, Reggie, journos and more. The fact that you highlight it is evidence that you knew this information was "juicy". That you didn't apply more rigor to whether this dev is actually credible or not is on your lack of judgment, as evidenced by the tag and your admission of a mistake. The dev has a lot of misinformation that they talk about, so if you REALLY wanted to make this thread, you should have highlighted it. But you clearly have a history of not doing your homework, hence my post. You put in enough effort to make a detailed summary, but either intentionally or not, didn't fact check or think about whether the dev is credible.

Chill fellow gaffer. This is a new console with lots of information still not known or set in stone. When it officially launches then we will be certain of certain information. For weeks after unveiling we were still arguing over how much RAM was reserved for games on PS4 and Xboxone, amongst other informations.

It is also good to check OP tags or put people on ignore if they are known for spreading misinformation.

 

[ecosse_011172]

He's not wrong that signs were there to question the source/statements, and that the OP tends to not have a great filter.

Yep, he should probably be burned at the stake for not spending 20 hours researching the quotes from a certified developer before posting on a forum.
He probably should have a had a peer group review as well.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

It's a forum where people discuss video games, get a fucking grip!

Chill fellow gaffer. This is a new console with lots of information still not known or set in stone. When it officially launches then we will be certain of certain information. For weeks after unveiling we were still arguing over how much RAM was reserved for games on PS4 and Xboxone, amongst other informations.

Neither of these posts make sense. Just because we're talking about the gaming industry doesn't mean posting genuine misinformation is acceptable.

Yep, he should probably be burned at the stake for not spending 20 hours researching the quotes from a certified developer before posting on a forum.
He probably should have a had a peer group review as well.

Looking up some of these claims would have taken all of ten minutes to verify.

At most.

 

[Gestault]

Yep, he should probably be burned at the stake for not spending 20 hours researching the quotes from a certified developer before posting on a forum.
He probably should have a had a peer group review as well.

Nynt9 was asked to explain his criticism, and he did. I summed it up. Your reaction is hyperbolic for what actually happened. People don't want a community built around sharing misinformation, especially when the signs are there that it's incorrect. 10k was being criticized for making the same mistake more than once. Nothing more, nothing less.