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Post-Women's March: white women, working class, and people might need to reflect
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When the next protest is up, we'll see who shows up for what battles. Then we can talk about who is in it to win it.
perfectchaos007
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Am I misunderstanding the point of the protesters sign in the OP? Or is she just wanting the white female posters to "check their privilege" while protesting. Its a pretty regressive sign regardless
This person is saying white women shouldn't be protesting, and instead should have stayed home looking in the mirror. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
Sunster
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Yes. Very much so. Jesus Christ
Nope.
gregor7777
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i'm taking my ball and going home. black people are so mean.
Exactly. Fall back to White Fragility.
The crux of the issue is that most white women do not analyze the intersection of their race and gender and how those identities led to the majority of white women across most spectrums voted for Trump.
You can't have a Women's March with mostly white women who don't understand the privilege of being white AND a woman, while simultaneously expecting women of color to stand beside you in solidarity.
clearly
misunderstanding it or worse
I mean surely she got out of bed to protest those women posing there.
King Tubby
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You acknowledge that the result of the election came down to irrational decision making and yet you fail to see how pics or tweets (because these are not the only examples) can sway some tiny yet ultimately decisive fraction of the electorate one way or another?
And once again I am not talking about academic discourse. This discussion isn't taking place in that framework.
And do you acknowledge that white women in particular have privileges over other women because of their combination of race and gender?
Am I misunderstanding the point of the protesters sign in the OP? Or is she just wanting the white female posters to "check their privilege" while protesting. Its a pretty regressive sign regardless
This person is saying white women shouldn't be protesting, and instead should have stayed home looking in the mirror. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
How many bodies showed up for these "rights" over the last decade when protests where happening all over the country, vs the bodies that showed up for themselves over the weekend. The distinction is undeniable.
Your understanding of the rallying points is in need of some serious education, not buzz words.
gregor7777
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How should they gain admittance then? Is there a test? Voting and protesting not enough?
For sure they do.
KO Traveling Hobo
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i'm taking my ball and going home. black people are so mean.
What do these kinds of posts add to the discussion?
gregor7777
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Makes him/her feel better.
Sunster
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about as much as the post I quoted does.
Why does the left have to turn on itself so much? Is it really helpful to begin infighting when you're already in bad shape?
I'm with you on this. I've noticed the left loves to do this for no reason and with nothing to gain by doing it. It's so goddamn frustrating.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
So we are to blame for other stupid white women voting for Trump? I think the people marching on Saturday know about white privilege.
So we can agree that WoC are justified in leveraging critiques against white women on that basis?
It kind of misses the point if every time we talk about white privilege we have to #NotAll___
It wouldn't be privilege if it wasn't by large and far a systematic thing.
The way forward needs to be scrutinized, and examined for all to move together. Not dismissed and given an "oh well" when it fails for some, but not for others.
Nobody is eating anybodies souls here.
Because we don't have the right things in common.
You wanna know what does fuck all for discussion? Shit like this
But I am not talking _only_ about white privilege. I am talking about white female privilege. Which I would posit, that the majority of people marching on Saturday did not know about.
"I mean, we're all Women, why are we dividing ourselves???"
gregor7777
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The right doesn't give a shit what we call them, so the only people left to attack is our own.
excelsiorlef
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https://m.facebook.com/vellumandvinyl/posts/1242438245849584
This is a must read imo
This woman complied all the tweets from a first nations woman speaking to her perspective and experience at the march. Including significant racism
This is a must read imo
This woman complied all the tweets from a first nations woman speaking to her perspective and experience at the march. Including significant racism
This thread has gotten pretty interesting. There has been some bullshit and posturing but a lot of honest and frank discussion too.
Maybe the most interesting aspect is that there seems to be a comedic disconnect between the way black people seemingly (Understandably even) see themselves as part of a loose collective with a shared experience. Weirdly, as a child of the 90s with liberal parents I was taught over and over that it is racist to think of people this way and I don't think that's unique.
Meanwhile, white people see themselves almost entirely as their professions and class as a result of well... not having been oppsressed or seriously opposed.
I'm not sure how you bridge a communication barrier like that. You talk about "white people" and we are like "huh? Which white people?"
Maybe the most interesting aspect is that there seems to be a comedic disconnect between the way black people seemingly (Understandably even) see themselves as part of a loose collective with a shared experience. Weirdly, as a child of the 90s with liberal parents I was taught over and over that it is racist to think of people this way and I don't think that's unique.
Meanwhile, white people see themselves almost entirely as their professions and class as a result of well... not having been oppsressed or seriously opposed.
I'm not sure how you bridge a communication barrier like that. You talk about "white people" and we are like "huh? Which white people?"
Nah ofc not, just those who are always saying they feel vilified when people point out the statistic like the one in the OP
this is for everyone
I only have the back of those who have mines. People of all backgrounds and identities voted for Trump, but the overwhelming majority were white men and a majority were white women. For those I don't stand with, as well as all the other people who voted for him. The minorities of the minorities that were Trump supporters aren't with me as well. So I won't be there for them.
I have to ask if you actually talked to women at the march? Because women like my wife and her friends talk about exactly this.
This isn't the left turning on itself.
This is moderates finding out they aren't as left as they thought they were.
That has to be the dumbest shit I've read today.
Here's a plastic gun to go storm the beaches with. Good luck.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
What's the difference between white privilege and white female privilege?
Either way, this is way low on the totem pole of shit that had influenced the election. Like I said in that post I don't think this is a problem solved with the way people like us on the internet talk about racism. If the mere mentioning of white privilege is enough for white people to take their ball and vote republican then there's really nothing fix by talking about it differently. The fact is it needs to be talked about and it has to be talked about if we want to make any moves towards dismantling it. The problem at that point becomes whether or not this is something they as a group even acknowledge or worse, want in the first place. If that's the issue what plays do we have there as a group? Do the dems fashion themselves as republican lite and risk losing their most consistent voting blocks? That doesn't sound like you'll be winning any elections either.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It's not really fair to make that assumption about them though. You'd think that, since they were out there at all, that they are to some degree aware. Discounting them as uneducated just because they're white women is not the move. Apply that to those who say things like what you've written, or to people being willfully ignorant like the many men in this thread, but if someone's being positive why attribute negativity to them without any evidence?
gregor7777
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Please. It's exactly what is happening.
KO Traveling Hobo
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You're right.
Okay, so while you're presenting your anecdotal evidence, we have 20+ pages (along with older locked threads) to counterposit that clearly people don'tget it.
If the _majority_ of people understood why white female privilege is a thing, why is the picture and tweets in the OP so controversial to so many?
There isn't a difference, and I'm willing to bet most white people marching Saturday, understands they have privilege by being born White.
Mmmhmm
I thought change came from trial, error and finding and understanding commonalities and universal truths along the way. Coming together kind of does that, though I think carelessly tossing out generalities and sweeping statements isn't the path to that.
No it isn't, but whatever makes you feel like you got something to say
Harsh truth.
gregor7777
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Stop being so fragile.
This mimics the kind of shit communists used to say to each other back when the 4th International Started. The end result of that was so many splinters that there ended up being 3 to 4 4th Internationals and the complete destruction of the movement due to infighting.
Like I mentioned before, if we're arguing that the white women (at the march or in general) understand white female privilege, why are those tweets and sign controversial? Obviously everybody was in on the joke.
White Female privilege is having a march in over a hundred cities and different countries with thousands of people and get characterized as "peaceful", but black women march against police brutality and get teargassed.
Aww the poor thing has nothing to say
White women are subjected to benevolent sexism that black and brown women are not. A majority black women's march is not getting high fives from the cops, but a majority white women's march is assumed harmless, for example. I think benevolent sexism is the better term than white female privledge, the core of it is that we are top of the heap of white male property as long as we behave properly.
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