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Phil Spencer "Played my first games on early Scorpio unit."

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
A start to upgrading the hardware of their XB1. For sure.

For the rest? Not really. They haven't been making sounds alluding to a radical change in business strategy at all.

And that's a shame. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised in the opposite direction. Scorpio the hardware should just be one of many initiatives all grouped together under the Scorpio label. if they wanna talk about this year or any other year being the 'year of scorpio', there should be far more to promote and get people excited than just a better box
 

kraspkibble

Permabanned.
Is Scorpio their PS4 Pro, or a new generation? I am super confused.

probably will be their PS4 Pro. a lot of people seem to have this idea that it's a new gen. yeah well let's wait and see how it holds up next to a PS5. unless they want to have an even weaker console for next gen then they will need to release something that will be able to keep up with a PS5.
 

LostDonkey

Member
Is Scorpio their PS4 Pro, or a new generation? I am super confused.

It's compatible with all XB1 games and will offer a better quality experience, but it will also support VR which afaik is not on the Base XB1 so there will be experiences you can only get on Scorpio.

The specs say it's a generation ahead at least. It's a grey are as they are moving more to an xbox service regardless of the device you use.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
A start to upgrading the hardware of their XB1. For sure.

For the rest? Not really. They haven't been making sounds alluding to a radical change in business strategy at all.

Radical change in business strategy? Give me some examples of what the competition has so radically bought to the party.
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
Dont know what to think, is a zen APU been leaked to be close to ready ? There would of been some leaks on semiconductor boards of a Zen APU ?

If not, what are they using, an intel CPU or a stand alone AMD CPU ?

Would not be surprised if its just an equivalent target spec PC

Zen is not likely, IMO. But i don't think it really matters considering what we know they are upgrading will bring far higher fidelity and performance anyway, both in regards to GPU and bandwidth.
 

kraspkibble

Permabanned.
PS4/XB1 = <1080p

Pro/Scorpio = <2160p

the Scorpio will essentially be an "Xbox One Pro". the difference will be that the Scorpio will not have to rely on upscaling techniques as much to achieve 2160p 30fps. the extra power will help it out but i still think it will struggle to achieve native 2160p with some games.
 
And that's a shame. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised in the opposite direction. Scorpio the hardware should just be one of many initiatives all grouped together under the Scorpio label. if they wanna talk about this year or any other year being the 'year of scorpio', there should be far more to promote and get people excited than just a better box
Everyone is hoping it will be more. But, meh...

I'd stay realistic. The big 3 have been doubling down on their strengths this gen IMO. I think a thread about each could be made and be pretty accurate with the title "Nintendo still the same old Nintendo" 'Sony still the same old Sony' "MS still the same old MS"

For better or worse. I think Scorpio will be pretty hype for the hardcore, it'll be a better way to play first party stuff and big 3rd party games, especially if you take home a 4K set this year.
 

Head.spawn

Junior Member
PS4/XB1 = <1080p

Pro/Scorpio = <2160p

the Scorpio will essentially be an "Xbox One Pro". the difference will be that the Scorpio will not have to rely on upscaling techniques as much to achieve 2160p 30fps. the extra power will help it out but i still think it will struggle to achieve native 2160p with some games.

Hopefully it can do Ark better than 720p60fps.

That game is the new Crysis.
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
Radical change in business strategy? Give me some examples of what the competition has so radically bought to the party.

The issue is that Sony didn't have to change the game, they have stayed relatively stable.

The problem we are facing is that MS significantly regressed in their output and experiences on their own, and have not yet made up for that in any meaningful way outside of advocating for a better box.

The box with better horsepower is fine, but there has to be more along with that box, that is synonymous with that box and what Xbox means in the scorpio year
 

leeh

Member
Because they've already said that it is going to provide premium VR, something that an XB1 cannot do. That's more than just graphics. That means Scorpio exclusive experiences.
My bad, should of said other than VR.
Its weird how you say i'm talking negative when i personally feel i'm being pretty positive, trying to advocate for constructive criticism and what MS should be doing to be successful in tandem with their marketing for this new device.

The launch and advertising of Scorpio should be about helping the Xbox brand with better games and new direction as much as it should be about the device itself.

This matters even more when Scorpio will not have its own games, the library has to be rejuvenated in general beyond what we already know is coming
Well you started by saying you don't believe they're on the right path and then started saying they should do and show much more without giving examples. What do you think they should do?

It's probably going to be demo'd a lot at E3 with any new games they announce. That's not the direction of Scorpio, more so the direction of Xbox and it's library as a whole.
Keep up with the conversation, at least.
Good non-answer there.
 

2+2=5

The Amiga Brotherhood
Is Scorpio their PS4 Pro, or a new generation? I am super confused.

Don't listen to those who say it's just a pro, Scorpio is the new generation that's compatible with the old one, MS is going the pc and mobile route, i always make the examples of iphone 6 and 7, different generations but play the same apps, and 2012 pc vs 2017 pc, different generations of hardware but they play the same games, scorpio will be the same with the xb1.

You should be happy for this, finally console manufacturers speculations are going to end, consoles aren't some alien things, they are just closed custom pc, put the same os on them and they will play the same games(well it's not that simple but you get the idea).
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Zen is not likely, IMO. But i don't think it really matters considering what we know they are upgrading will bring far higher fidelity and performance anyway, both in regards to GPU and bandwidth.

its geordiemp - he wants 60fps so he wants Zen (or a discrete CPU).

I don't think it'll happen. They'll spunk all their transistors on GPU just like Sony and it'll be focused on XB1 games at 4k. But if they do go all-in with a decent CPU there will be much rejoicing on here I'm sure. Will a partnership with Oculus/HTC mean more CPU power to drive VR? Well PSVR seems to manage ok with the crappy Jaguar so probably not.

I don't think slightly better 4k than PS pro will get people to switch platforms for third party games - especially if they're already invested in PS4 and have friends there. But if they did push that extra mile to add enough CPU for 60fps (whether 4k or not), I think they would get a decent number of core gamers to switch.
 

SmokedMeat

Gamer™
What worries me is the pricing of the console, I can't see the console being at the same price than the pro

I don't think they can get away with charging over $400. I can't help but see them continue to take more losses on hardware trying to get people to buy them.
 

Frodo

Member
I'm really interested on seeing how the Scorpio will fare. It will be interesting to see if more power will results in more sales. Of course, the price will be a huge factor in this (not to mention games), but I'm really interested on how the marketing will react to Scorpio (and PS4 Pro). I hope they get it right and are able to price it competitively.
 

Theorry

Member
People overthinking his tweets way to much like in every Spencer thread.
Glad he is doing this. Better then to wait everytime for a PR article or big show for some update. This keeps the ball abit rolling and he is probably proud so he wants to share it. On his personal Twitter.
 

leeh

Member
its geordiemp - he wants 60fps so he wants Zen (or a discrete CPU).

I don't think it'll happen. They'll spunk all their transistors on GPU just like Sony and it'll be focused on XB1 games at 4k. But if they do go all-in with a decent CPU there will be much rejoicing on here I'm sure.
If they keep a similar size APU to the X1 and ditch eSRAM they have a lot more die space quite a significant proportion.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Don't listen to those who say it's just a pro, Scorpio is the new generation that's compatible with the old one, MS is going the pc and mobile route, i always make the examples of iphone 6 and 7, different generations but play the same apps, and 2012 pc vs 2017 pc, different generations of hardware but they play the same games, scorpio will be the same with the xb1.

You should be happy for this, finally console manufacturers speculations are going to end, consoles aren't some alien things, they are just closed custom pc, put the same os on them and they will play the same games.


But by that definition, the PS pro isn't a pro either, its a new generation of playstation thats compatible with the old one? This all feels like semantics tbh. If there are not dedicated 'scorpio' boxes on retailer shelves (not including VR games), then it isn't a new generation.


If they keep a similar size APU to the X1 and ditch eSRAM they have a lot more die space quite a significant proportion.

if they keep the same size APU as the X1 and ditch eSRAM they'll have a ps pro..
 

Head.spawn

Junior Member
Don't listen to those who say it's just a pro, Scorpio is the new generation that's compatible with the old one, MS is going the pc and mobile route, i always make the examples of iphone 6 and 7, different generations but play the same apps, and 2012 pc vs 2017 pc, different generations of hardware but they play the same games, scorpio will be the same with the xb1.

You should be happy for this, finally console manufacturers speculations are going to end, consoles aren't some alien things, they are just closed custom pc, put the same os on them and they will play the same games(well it's not that simple but you get the idea).

Wut
 

hotcyder

Member
Not sure what people are more excited about;

The fact he played a Scorpio or the fact there's actually games to play on it. Roll on E3!
 

leeh

Member
But by that definition, the PS pro isn't a pro either, its a new generation of playstation thats compatible with the old one?
Yes, if the PS5 is the same. Which, IMO I highly doubt.

We've got a pretty concrete steer from MS than they're not going to reset again.
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
My bad, should of said other than VR.

Well you started by saying you don't believe they're on the right path and then started saying they should do and show much more without giving examples. What do you think they should do?

I said it before, new IP from their dead list of IP, refocusing of their core studios, let Coalition and 343 work on new things for once and give those old franchises a rest, start paying out of pocket to fund game that would not exist otherwise, and refocus on gamers first.

Give me a new conker, commission From to make another Otogi, bring rare back to the fold with a new perfect dark or a spiritual successor. Just give something back
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
It's only been a few posts, please, go on...

Scroll up, read my first reply to Inuhanyou, follow the conversation, then reply.

Basically Inuhanyou posited the Scorpio as being a new dawn for the Xbox brand with investments in new franchises and less reliance on their core franchises, etcetera. That Scorpio is their signal to a complete rethinking of all their business strategies.
I did not agree with that statement and labeled it as wishful thinking, seeing as Microsoft has so far shown zero intent to do anything of the above, and that's where the conversation went on about.

This has jack shit to do with competitors. So i'm not sure what the point of your post was.

Good non-answer there.

Yeah, this post is also directed to you. MilkyJoe's post had nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
 

leeh

Member
I said it before, new IP from their dead list of IP, refocusing of their core studios, let Coalition and 343 work on new things for once and give those old franchises a rest, start paying out of pocket to fund game that would not exist otherwise, and refocus on gamers first.

Give me a new conker, commission From to make another Otogi, bring rare back to the fold with a new perfect dark or a spiritual successor. Just give something back
Like I said, that's the direction of Xbox's library not Scorpio.
 

bigol

Member
I'm really interested on seeing how the Scorpio will fare. It will be interesting to see if more power will results in more sales. Of course, the price will be a huge factor in this (not to mention games), but I'm really interested on how the marketing will react to Scorpio (and PS4 Pro). I hope they get it right and are able to price it competitively.

To me market already showed that a more powerful console doesn't necessarily mean good sales.
Ps4 Pro sold just 238.000 units compared to more than 1.3 mln Ps4 slim. And that's at 300$.

Considering Scorpio won't be sold at less than 400$ i can see it having very low sales, especially if it's just moderately more powerful than Ps4 Pro. To be much more powerful it should sell at 450-500$, unless Microsoft doesn't care selling the console at loss. It's a really difficult situation for Scorpio.

Exclusive games more than specs will determine if it will be succesfull or not.
 

Ushay

Member
If it follows the same design philosophy as One S I cannot wait to see it.

Wonder of they will do a separate reveal event for the hardware and a few titles?
 

c0de

Member
Hope games scale automatically to the superior hardware, performance wise at least. It's why I haven't bought a PS4 Pro, that and lack of 4k blu ray.

Depends. I guess games with framerate drops won't have then anymore, like we could see in some instances for the s, just more of it.
That is for non scalable games. Games with dynamic resolution and/or dynamic fps should also run better. That said, I would still like to know if halo 5 has a different resolution on the s than on the original bone, sadly df didn't test this.
 
If VR will be something exclusive to the Scorpio it'll be interesting to see how hard they push it with the specs it has and tying a huge IP like Minecraft too it. I think they should put a nice focus on it.
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
Like I said, that's the direction of Xbox's library not Scorpio.

Havent been paying attention have we? I'm saying that Scorpio promotion and marketing as well as the strategy i just mentioned should be directly align together while people actually still care about the fact that MS is releasing better hardware
 

timmyp53

Member
I wish they'd have given more info before the Switch launches just to hurt its sales some more.

I guess there's still time for that.

This is the internet gaming community.
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ViciousDS

Banned
Seems like prototype hardware is coming along very nicely indeed. I wonder if devs have access to dev kits yet?

according to some folks around here it wouldn't have mattered by announcing it so early it allowed devs to start working on it last june

/s



I could careless about size....if its as whisper quiet as both the OG XB1 and the S model.....its a masterpiece in its own right.
 
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