Zalusithix
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Well, without external cameras at any rate. ;P
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Mention of 'high fidelity VR' disappears from Xbox Scorpio website
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Well, without external cameras at any rate. ;P
Agnostic Priest
Member
Personally, I don't care about VR. However that would be a bad decision to exclude it for the Scorpio, as having more options is a good thing. I don't like VR now but that could change with the right software.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Yeah, to be specific lol. Important specific though for sure.
CrimsonEclipse
Member
I don't care for it all that much either, though I don't think they are removing from Scorpio...just think this is being blown up a bit...
Then why remove the wording?
I'm glad you made this thread, Hoo-doo.
I asked Penello to give confirmation/comment in the other DF thread since he was actively participating in it but then he was ghost.
To me it seems like they might be backpedaling out of the whole "high fidelity VR" thing because they don't have a solution yet for launch and bit more than they could chew(?) They have to come out and clarify, guess we'll find out by E3.
EDIT:
Just read chubigans post, E3 it is!
I asked Penello to give confirmation/comment in the other DF thread since he was actively participating in it but then he was ghost.
To me it seems like they might be backpedaling out of the whole "high fidelity VR" thing because they don't have a solution yet for launch and bit more than they could chew(?) They have to come out and clarify, guess we'll find out by E3.
EDIT:
Just read chubigans post, E3 it is!
Dirtyshubb
Member
For many posters, following games is like being a republican - facts never matter, only gut feelings and anecdotal examples do.
Sony knew how many units they were going to bring out and assumingly were content to do so. Psvr is sold out almost everywhere and Sony have come out and said they clearly didn't manufacture enough for demand and are working to correct that.
Now anyone with half a brain would take those facts and conclude that psvr is performing above expectations but because we don't see a million TV ads or have exact sales figures to some people it must be a super bomb and destined to fail.
These are probably the same people agreeing with "don't read too much Into it" or "Microsoft are closing the gap between xbo and ps4".
Microsoft isn't going to keep pretending like VR is a hit like GAF is though. They are a business.
They do it with cameras on the headset rather than externally like the Rift, while Vive uses lighthouse (not a camera) - worse still, they are yet to even demonstrate it since announcing it, with the latest showcase being non-functional prototypes (unless you want to count the original demonstration at the announcement - which was blatantly not using a functional headset either)
This is a parody account right?
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
I would imagine VR is in the same bucket with the plastic guitars, 3D, Kinect, Playstation Move, and everything else that console manufacturers have pushed on their customers in their attempt to make a buck.
Not terribly surprised, I have been more or less calling it since day one.
Not terribly surprised, I have been more or less calling it since day one.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Yeah, clarified that afterwards. I meant external cameras.
Dirtyshubb
Member
My post has logic and references factual statements, what does your comment contain?
Either come back with a counter point or keep your opinions to yourself. Quite simple.
Why are they still pretending the Xbox console is a business venture worth investing in?
I think the most likely thing is that there aren't great options for Microsoft
1. Partner with Vive or Oculus
- No control over iterative hardware that might break compatibility, might work with oculus 2017, but what if 2018 has a higher res screen or is just different?
- They are not designed with a console in mind, lengths of cables, etc. + # of USB ports
- they are not designed with casual consumers in mind
- prohibitive cost
2. Build their own xbox device
- A likely costly endeavour with low prospective sales in the near term. PSVR works on 50+ million PS4s, where as an xbox device would only work on Scorpio, which could mean a very small install base for the foreseeable future.
1. Partner with Vive or Oculus
- No control over iterative hardware that might break compatibility, might work with oculus 2017, but what if 2018 has a higher res screen or is just different?
- They are not designed with a console in mind, lengths of cables, etc. + # of USB ports
- they are not designed with casual consumers in mind
- prohibitive cost
2. Build their own xbox device
- A likely costly endeavour with low prospective sales in the near term. PSVR works on 50+ million PS4s, where as an xbox device would only work on Scorpio, which could mean a very small install base for the foreseeable future.
Because it is? Not seeing the comparison with VR though.
Your post was filled with insults driven by corporation bias.
Ninja Scooter
Member
The posts citing VR as a fad, or not taking off like people thought, seem completely irrelevent. It's not like the thing was going to be a VR focused console, or some packed in with a headset. It would make little sense in that regard for MS to back off of having VR support, especially in partnership with an already existing hardware company in Oculus, and a tech company like MS isn't going to be that impulsive. They aren't message board fanboys who have to categorize every new product as a huge hit or a massive "bomba". If they are moving away from VR as a feature of the Scorpio it seems more likely to be a performance issue I would think.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Yeah, we had that thread. People didn't like hearing that, lol
The take away here and from Wollan's post seems to be that:
a) it won't be ready for launch as the tech isn't ready
b) they want to spend more time in the concept phase with their titles they're working on because they feel like tech demo's currently
c) it's coming later down the line after a & b are sorted
Alx
Member
I agree, and that sounds a lot like what they announced with their Windows Holographic support : standard specifications and requirements, that guarantee support by their own environment. Which led to the reveal of four different headsets by different constructors for Win10 PC.
The only issue will be to see how it will coexist/compete with other standards (Vive/Rift for hardware, OpenVR and other environments for software).
It's more to do with the fact that satisfactory VR fidelity isn't really achieveable on a well-priced console, unless they want to do like generations of old and lose money on the consoles themselves, which... Noone seems to fancy anymore.
I don't know if Sony is advertising their Pro with VR, but if they are... Eurgh. That'd be close to false advertising.
Dirtyshubb
Member
I'm still not seeing a logical counter point to my post.
While my tone may have been negative towards people making the argument psvr is a bomb, the points raised are fair.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
MS was working with Oculus. They probably threw in the unprecedented partnership towel after seeing how poorly the company is actually run.
Your was point was that sony being satisfied with PSVR sales means VR is successful.
The point of making and selling peripherals is to drive software sales. Sony exceeding their expectations with the VR headset does not directly mean VR software sales are setting the world on fire. Proprietary hardware sales have nothing to do with Microsoft supporting VR when the headsets are third party.
Oh. You have the numbers?
Dirtyshubb
Member
While we don't have games sales to back that up, hardware wise its selling better then they expected or at the VERY least as they expected.
While You do have to take games sales into consideration to judge the entire picture, I would say it's a safe bet a lot of psvr owners have at least bought a few games which is what you would expect from a platform that is selling at a limited quantity (but maximum potential right now).
So again, those saying psvr is a bomb are still just as wrong as before since we know that the biggest hurdle Sony have (selling hardware) isn't a problem right now. Could that change down the line? Of course but we haven't evidence to say it's a failure right now.
A console bringing in billions of $ and introducing people to their ecosystem isn't a venture worth investing in?
I'm glad you're not running my business if you think that.
Microsoft's response:
[UPDATE] A Microsoft representative told GameSpot that Project Scorpio will offer "high-fidelity VR experiences," though the company did not say why the line was removed from the site.
"When Project Scorpio ships later this year it will be the most powerful console ever built with a 6 teraflop GPU to deliver true 4K gaming, high-fidelity VR experiences, and greater graphic fidelity. We have nothing additional to share at this time," the spokesperson said.
Source - http://www.gamespot.com/articles/project-scorpio-website-removes-mention-of-vr-micr/1100-6447239/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b
[UPDATE] A Microsoft representative told GameSpot that Project Scorpio will offer "high-fidelity VR experiences," though the company did not say why the line was removed from the site.
"When Project Scorpio ships later this year it will be the most powerful console ever built with a 6 teraflop GPU to deliver true 4K gaming, high-fidelity VR experiences, and greater graphic fidelity. We have nothing additional to share at this time," the spokesperson said.
Source - http://www.gamespot.com/articles/project-scorpio-website-removes-mention-of-vr-micr/1100-6447239/?ftag=GSS-05-10aaa0b
So nothing has changed.
Zalusithix
Member
A webpage did.
Their VR plans have been so nebulous that it'd be hard to say if anything has changed (privately).Can we get this put in the OP? Along with the chubigans post?
Head.spawn
Junior Member
I wouldn't put much stock in it either way until you hear something from Phil Spencer or A-a-ron.
edit: nvm, didn't see the chubigans post. whelp.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Im okay with vr being dropped, I wouldnt have ever used it abyway.
Looks like the tech isnt doing much anways
Looks like the tech isnt doing much anways
Norse
Member
Yup
Doesn't matter to me. I'm sure it will have some sort of VR eventually if there is a real market for it that will produce profits large enough. A HDMI in passthrough is more important to me personally.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
My argument is not that it's cheap to make games so I don't see how that means I am proving your point. You stated:
$1.4 million in first month sales is enough to cover the cost of development for Braid. Your statement is untrue.
Proelite
Member
I'll be really happy as checkerboarding with 50% better framerate / graphics is much better use of resources.
Fuck native 4k.
That was a reasonable assumption.
There really isn't anything in this thread that confirms or denies it. It's speculation on a change in a piece of marketing followed by Microsoft's assertion that Scorpio will still deliver "high-fidelity VR experiences".
CrimsonEclipse
Member
Might just be revising on how they are going to support it, I don't think they would pull out a feature like that entirely.
OdysseusVA
Banned
We'll still offer high fidelity VR. Period.
Aces&Eights
Member
Or they heard back from counsel and decided to avoid legal issues in the future.
GuitarAtomik
Member
I'll quote myself from earlier:
Wouldn't be surprised if it was compatible with the other Windows headsets they've partnered up with as well.
SmoothRunningGun
Member
VR needs more time in the oven.
Done.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
I guess I like my VR rare.
It's enjoyable for me to watch the advancement of the tech unfold in front of my eyes. Developers are working on new methods for UI, visual enhancement, locomotion, motion control interaction, etc. On the other side, hardware is evolving even faster: foveated rendering, wireless headsets, inside-out tracking, better motion controls (power glove). And I can only imagine that the headsets will get significantly smaller, lighter, more comfortable, with better resolution and higher FoV. The process is filled with so much potential, it must have been what it was like when video games began.
The tech has a solid foundation, at this point a total revamp isn't required, the breakthrough has already happened. Now we just need a steady influx of innovative add-ons so to speak, in order to sharpen the tool.
DangerMouse
Member
This, it seems to be doing pretty well and like many expected to be a gradual build kind of thing. Plus RE7 just came out, and stuff like Farpoint, Ace Combat, and Psychonauts Rhombus of Ruin (and more like Golem that also got stage announce time) aren't even out yet, and they just announced Starblood Arena, Dino Frontier, and a number of other things were also in the new PSX VR montage just last month.
And it sounds like one of the best ways to play RE7.
Yeah.
Agreed. Checkerboarding is fine and can really look fantastic so just admit it, but if they already know they'll have to be pushing checkerboarding it's really misleading if they continue spouting "True 4K gaming" as a major bullet point while, as expected, actively needing/pushing devs to offer checkerboard 4K in their games.
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