• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

[Digital Foundry] New Scorpio Spec Leak: ESRAM Gone, GPU Features Revealed

Status
Not open for further replies.
The only issue for me is that if that was the case, I can imagine they'd show all their upcoming titles running on Scorpio and it'd just send across the wrong message.

I reckon a Scorpio reveal would be well placed to show existing games like Halo 5 running at 4k native, and in super-enhanced 1080p mode, plus a few select 3rd party big hitters, so people can compare Xbox One (and Pro/PS4) to Scorpio. Then keep the new stuff for E3.
 
You are definitely correct about AMD's product roadmap and how they transition from Polaris 10/11 to Vega 10/11. However, it is very highly likely at this point that Scorpio will use some form of Vega. This is regardless of the obviously fake reddit leak. It's obviously not going to use the high end Vega 10 (way too expensive and way too much heat for a console) and nobody in their right mind is arguing that. It likely won't be using Vega 11 either, although the exact details about Vega 11 have yet to be released. It's likely going to be something semi-custom, using the Vega 10 architecture, but both heavily downclocked and with less CUs so that it meets the price and thermal output necessary for a console.

I definitely don't think Scorpio will have 60 CUs (again semi-custom Vega with less CUs and lower clocks), but the comment you made in a previous post made it sound like you were making a false equivalence between Polaris and Vega CU counts, showing your potential "lack of knowledge" about AMD products as well. One of the major and earliest announced architectural changes going from Polaris to Vega was the ability to have far more CUs than Polaris, while running with similar power usage/heat.

Polaris isn't even capable of outputting a 6TF GPU at the thermal requirements of a console.

Where did I make false equivalence? The going rumor is 32CU for vega 11, like Polaris 10.
 
That guy was in the worst denial in 2013.

He must be really feeling good now.

I hope for his sake MS comes through for him.

I find it funny how obsessed so many on GAF seem to be with this one guy. Does his being an unapologetic and enthusiastic Xbox fan annoy you people that much? The specific, targeted attention he gets, and how strongly sustained, from just about everyone is borderline disturbing. People on here pick apart the dumbest of things and the tiniest of details simply to attack the guy. Does it make everyone feel better about themselves? He literally gets targeted and singled out in every major thread having to do with anything pertaining to Xbox - whether positive xbox news or negative xbox news - on this entire forum. You're most likely to see him attacked consistently and more aggressively if the thread is somehow construed as good Xbox news. Not a flattering trend guys.
 

LordOfChaos

Member
14nm? really? that soon?

14nm and 16nm are the same generation fwiw, TSMC and Glofo measure and advertise things differently. And neither are as small as Intel 14nm, their 10nm may be.

6deformation.jpg
 

ganaconda

Member
Where did I make false equivalence? The going rumor is 32CU for vega 11, like Polaris 10.

I re-read your post this morning and got a different takeaway. What are you implying with "But hey get back to me when your 60CU Vega GPU shows up for $450"?

I initially thought you were saying that a ~60 CU (although likely not using all 60 in Vega 10) Vega GPU based console for $450 is a laughable idea, now not so sure. If that's what you were saying...with a significant downclock, possibly to half of what the high-end PC card is clocked at, it seems like a reasonable possibility to get to a price around there depending on what kind of deal they can get from AMD. Basically the false equivalency I saw was assuming the same price for Vega CUs to that of Polaris CUs, but I'm not sure if that's what you were basing your above conclusion on. Sorry about that.

Also, on a sidenote, I believe Polaris 10 had 36 CUs, no?
 

cakely

Member
I find it funny how obsessed so many on GAF seem to be with this one guy. Does his being an unapologetic and enthusiastic Xbox fan annoy you people that much? The specific, targeted attention he gets, and how strongly sustained, from just about everyone is borderline disturbing. People on here pick apart the dumbest of things and the tiniest of details simply to attack the guy. Does it make everyone feel better about themselves? He literally gets targeted and singled out in every major thread having to do with anything pertaining to Xbox - whether positive xbox news or negative xbox news - on this entire forum. You're most likely to see him attacked consistently and more aggressively if the thread is somehow construed as good Xbox news. Not a flattering trend guys.

Gamz linked to a BeastFireTimDog
wow
tweet in this thread, that's why he was brought up.

Like many other people, I was surprised to find out that he has a defense force.
 
Gamz linked to a BeastFireTimDog
wow
tweet in this thread, that's why he was brought up.

Like many other people, I was surprised to find out that he has a defense force.
"Defense force" is such a fucking cop out. Being Ive been targeted in the past, Im sick of seeing this BS. You dont get it. You wont get it.

Anyways...

Anyone think its possible that MS may decide to add ARM cpu for OS and background functions to offload the CPU cores and have a full 8 cores for gaming? Would this setup somehow break X1 OG games or would the use of their 3 OS system negate this?
 

Hawk269

Member
I didn't get an exact date but I guess within the next 2 weeks if not already.

I'm curious if MS wants to do an extra event before E3 or not. I'm unsure if it is worth it as they would basically fire out a lot of E3 stuff and if they would not show many games they wouldn't have to show a lot because the OS and ecosystem will probably stay the same.

I don't think that E3 would give them enough time to go into specifics of the console and what it has to offer. If we look back at the Xbox One Reveal Event, the PS4 Reveal Event and even the PRO event, they were alone about 30min or longer. For a 1.5 hour E3 event, I don't see them squeezing all they want into E3.

The only way I can see it is that they devote the majority, if not all of E3 to Scorpio where they have a 10-20min talk about the hardware and then everything shown at E3 is on Scorpio with a tag saying "also for Xbox One". To me, I think an event prior to E3 would be better to announce the system, specs, design etc. Go into details on why people should get one, have some "before and after" examples of games running on it. Then at E3 show more of the upcoming games and such.

Bottom line: Whenever MS decides to do the official reveal will be the most important event in MS gaming division.
 
I don't think that E3 would give them enough time to go into specifics of the console and what it has to offer. If we look back at the Xbox One Reveal Event, the PS4 Reveal Event and even the PRO event, they were alone about 30min or longer. For a 1.5 hour E3 event, I don't see them squeezing all they want into E3.

The only way I can see it is that they devote the majority, if not all of E3 to Scorpio where they have a 10-20min talk about the hardware and then everything shown at E3 is on Scorpio with a tag saying "also for Xbox One". To me, I think an event prior to E3 would be better to announce the system, specs, design etc. Go into details on why people should get one, have some "before and after" examples of games running on it. Then at E3 show more of the upcoming games and such.

Bottom line: Whenever MS decides to do the official reveal will be the most important event in MS gaming division.

I believe reveal events have historically been in May. 1 month before E3. Right now MS is probably working on what games to show off with it and HOW. Now that we're in this weird spot where gaming is higher res than most media today they have to figure out how to show 4K and HDR to the masses without relying on "trust me guys and gals".

They'll need a presence inside of retail stores like best buy and the brick and mortar MS Stores before release with demos too to push it. They have really stepped up their retail presence over the past 4 years as before they were virtually not represented while Apple was killing it.
 

Ushay

Member
I didn't get an exact date but I guess within the next 2 weeks if not already.

I'm curious if MS wants to do an extra event before E3 or not. I'm unsure if it is worth it as they would basically fire out a lot of E3 stuff and if they would not show many games they wouldn't have to show a lot because the OS and ecosystem will probably stay the same.

Good to know, hopefully we can put this to rest once we know specs in the next month.
 

BillyJack

Banned
And next week's lottery numbers are?

:)

I see no compelling advantage to it. I thought it was going to smash the pro spec wise which if this is true it isnt and by release the Pro will be significantly cheaper. I just don't see it succeeding and MS no longer have the strength of their IP to rely on
 

gamz

Member
I see no compelling advantage to it. I thought it was going to smash the pro spec wise which if this is true it isnt and by release the Pro will be significantly cheaper. I just don't see it succeeding and MS no longer have the strength of their IP to rely on

You don't even know what it is yet?
 
I see no compelling advantage to it. I thought it was going to smash the pro spec wise which if this is true it isnt and by release the Pro will be significantly cheaper. I just don't see it succeeding and MS no longer have the strength of their IP to rely on
Its still a good amount stronger than the pro though. Plus again we still dont know everything spec-wise about it.
 

geordiemp

Member
Got to admit, if I was phil I would launch it WHEN the technology is sufficient for a steep improvement.

I did buy pro, its great for that small spec bump, but I wanted more.

The way I see it AMD are rolling out Zen and Vega, when its the right time to combine these 2 cost efficient under 500 bucks is the time for a new gen.

Scorpio sounds too early
 

Inuhanyou

Believes Dragon Quest is a franchise managed by Sony
Got to admit, if I was phil I would launch it WHEN the technology is sufficient for a steep improvement.

I did buy pro, its great for that small spec bump, but I wanted more.

The way I see it AMD are rolling out Zen and Vega, when its the right time to combine these 2 cost efficient under 500 bucks is the time for a new gen.

Scorpio sounds too early

WHen do you want them to put it out? When PS5 is about to release? They need to put it out sometime.

They dont care about 'gens' anymore, thus they dont have any obligation to put out hardware at a specific time anymore
 

farisr

Member
LOL, that's pretty funny.

At least as a joke not meant to be taken as serious commentary.

Hopefully people don't latch onto it as some sort of gospel though to prove some kind of bias while conveniently ignoring the facts surrounding the matter that makes both situations different. Only going to make themselves look foolish.
 

dogen

Member
I see no compelling advantage to it. I thought it was going to smash the pro spec wise which if this is true it isnt and by release the Pro will be significantly cheaper. I just don't see it succeeding and MS no longer have the strength of their IP to rely on

Almost nothing has changed about what we know...
 

geordiemp

Member
WHen do you want them to put it out? When PS5 is about to release? They need to put it out sometime.

They dont care about 'gens' anymore, thus they dont have any obligation to put out hardware at a specific time anymore

Thats the thing, if Zen and Vega is an option in late 2018 / 2019, then it should of been out 2016 with Pro.

Late 2017 might be right if the next round is 2020. I dont have an answer until VEGA and Zen comes into being.
 
LOL, that's pretty funny.

At least as a joke not meant to be taken as serious commentary.

Hopefully people don't latch onto it as some sort of gospel though to prove some kind of bias while conveniently ignoring the facts surrounding the matter that makes both situations different. Only going to make themselves look foolish.
😂
 

anothertech

Member
MS priced 1.2TF box at $499 3 years ago and sold millions at launch. I wouldn't put anything past them at this point price wise. Especially with all their 'premium' talk.
 

ClearData

Member
Maybe I'm a moron but I thought for sure it was going to be based around Zen

A lot of people have been going back and forth on this. The white paper that Digital Foundry reported on said that it is most likely that Scorpio is packing a overclocked Jaguar / Puma CPU. It appears that detective GAF found out that the paper is half a year old and some people are using that as a basis to infer that the specifications might have been changed in that time. At least, that is what I have gathered from some posts. I am leaning toward the Puma / Jaguar thing being legit. But I guess we will have to wait for E3 to know for sure. Or maybe they might not say anything until holiday 2017.
 

Crayon

Member
Honestly everything about the scorpio is good so far except maybe the weird whisper campaign lead up. Maybe not, tho. I'm not sure if it's going to help, hurt, or have no effect in the end.
 
I find it unlikely that a new Xbox that's more powerful than the PS4 Pro would be DOA...MS would have to go completely insane with the pricing for that to happen.
 

Space_nut

Member
A lot of people have been going back and forth on this. The white paper that Digital Foundry reported on said that it is most likely that Scorpio is packing a overclocked Jaguar / Puma CPU. It appears that detective GAF found out that the paper is half a year old and some people are using that as a basis to infer that the specifications might have been changed in that time. At least, that is what I have gathered from some posts. I am leaning toward the Puma / Jaguar thing being legit. But I guess we will have to wait for E3 to know for sure. Or maybe they might not say anything until holiday 2017.

The white paper didn't say anything about the CPU specs at all. Only some optimization/rendering techniques that's could be used for any spec even pc

This console has had nothing leaked thus far on any hard facts of the specs
 

Theorry

Member
A lot of people have been going back and forth on this. The white paper that Digital Foundry reported on said that it is most likely that Scorpio is packing a overclocked Jaguar / Puma CPU. It appears that detective GAF found out that the paper is half a year old and some people are using that as a basis to infer that the specifications might have been changed in that time. At least, that is what I have gathered from some posts. I am leaning toward the Puma / Jaguar thing being legit. But I guess we will have to wait for E3 to know for sure. Or maybe they might not say anything until holiday 2017.

DF itself said the paper is from July.
 

Mindlog

Member
LOL, that's pretty funny.

At least as a joke not meant to be taken as serious commentary.

Hopefully people don't latch onto it as some sort of gospel though to prove some kind of bias while conveniently ignoring the facts surrounding the matter that makes both situations different. Only going to make themselves look foolish.
Shwapam.
iqHFm2A.jpg

Better?
 

Hoo-doo

Banned
I find it unlikely that a new Xbox that's more powerful than the PS4 Pro would be DoA...MS would have to go insane with the pricing for that to happen.

Well, thing is that power alone likely isn't remotely enough to have this thing fly off shelves.

The PS4 Pro, which was priced super reasonably, doesn't really take home a big cut of the total PS4 sales, even though it's over twice as powerful and a big upgrade for people playing on 4K TV's.

I expect the Xbox Scorpio to do the exact same, if it's actually priced reasonably.
The mass market genuinely isn't going to spend upwards of 500 bucks to play Xbox One games in native 4K or with some sharper looking graphics. They simply won't.

Power might mean everything on these boards or in twitter feuds between rabid fanboys. But in the real world, it's the entry price that matters more.
And Xbox isn't going to be top dog of anything if they bring out a 500+$ powerhouse that only a niche audience will actually pick up. And besides that, what's the incentive for the developers even putting in work to create Scorpio patches if it's that niche? I don't think creating some 'high-end' console audience works.

Hence why I think they are going with a reasonable jump over the PS4 Pro just to take the crown, but they sure as hell aren't going to burn themselves by pricing themselves out of the market. They have a lot to prove this holiday.
 

cakely

Member
Believing so makes fanboys feel better about shitposting about him.

I have an issue with this statement. BeastFireTimdog is a self-proclaimed superfan with a well-documented history of taking "console wars" too seriously, and too far.

If a poster here calls BeastFireTimdog out, it doesn't make that poster a fanboy, and it's not a shitpost.

That's the last time I'll mention him in this thread.
 
$499 is actually a reasonable price in a vacuum, given the hardware it has and allowing for some profit. The problem is it's not a mass market price which console gamers are accustomed to, along with the leverage competing products are going to have. Then again the Scorpio isn't their mass market box, the XB1S is. So who knows!

I could see them doing a 'launch window' version with 3TB HDD or something to get the early adopters at $499. Then knock it down to $399 after Christmas with a standard 1TB version. They should easily sell through the first few million at the higher price.

I bet they do something along those lines.
 
Can we maybe stop talking about people on Twitter that don't post on this forum?

Maybe start a separate thread if its something you want to discuss in more detail?
 
Well, thing is that power alone likely isn't remotely enough to have this thing fly off shelves.

The PS4 Pro, which was priced super reasonably, doesn't really take home a big cut of the total PS4 sales, even though it's over twice as powerful and a big upgrade for people playing on 4K TV's.

I expect the Xbox Scorpio to do the exact same, if it's actually priced reasonably.
The mass market genuinely isn't going to spend upwards of 500 bucks to play Xbox One games in native 4K or with some sharper looking graphics. They simply won't.

Power might mean everything on these boards or in twitter feuds between rabid fanboys. But in the real world, it's the entry price that matters more.
And Xbox isn't going to be top dog of anything if they bring out a 500+$ powerhouse that only a niche audience will actually pick up. And besides that, what's the incentive for the developers even putting in work to create Scorpio patches if it's that niche? I don't think creating some 'high-end' console audience works.

Hence why I think they are going with a reasonable jump over the PS4 Pro just to take the crown, but they sure as hell aren't going to burn themselves by pricing themselves out of the market. They have a lot to prove this holiday.

Really though, a new powerful Xbox, "dead on arrival"? Highly doubtful.
 

krang

Member
I have an issue with this statement. BeastFireTimdog is a self-proclaimed superfan with a well-documented history of taking "console wars" too seriously, and too far.

If a poster here calls BeastFireTimdog out, it doesn't make that poster a fanboy, and it's not a shitpost.

That's the last time I'll mention him in this thread.

As an Xbox fan, I'm embarrassed that some people might think he and his ilk represent me.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom