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Eurogamer: Don't Expect Another Deus Ex Game Anytime Soon, EM Working on New TR/GotG
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*sigh*
I couldn't give less of a damn about crappy tomb raider and stupid marvel games while Deus Ex is one of my favorite franchises...
I had yet to play MD and now i have the means to but i know it has a "wait... that's how it ends?" ending, don't know if i should even bother at this point.
I couldn't give less of a damn about crappy tomb raider and stupid marvel games while Deus Ex is one of my favorite franchises...
I had yet to play MD and now i have the means to but i know it has a "wait... that's how it ends?" ending, don't know if i should even bother at this point.
Aretak
Member
If it ultimately ends up with Deus Ex being handled by a more competent studio in the future, maybe it's for the best. Human Revolution was a prototypical example of a slightly wonky first game in a series (even though it technically wasn't), which could have been built upon and expanded into a truly amazing sequel. Instead they left all of the problems in place and made the rest of the game worse. Quite an achievement.
Dargor
Member
I hope this time around they don't do any disservice to the TB franchise like making another dumb deal.
I think the bad PR was so intense that it even bled through to MD and caused it to perform even worse than it already would, since it already was the continuation of a disappointing game.
I think the bad PR was so intense that it even bled through to MD and caused it to perform even worse than it already would, since it already was the continuation of a disappointing game.
Banderdash
Member
Christ on a pogo stick.
Why not leave them on Tomb Raider, and put Eidos on the new project?
Surely CD would have the better idea of where they were taking the story, & how to use their own assets & engine.
Bloody Square Enix man...
Noisepurge
Member
goddamnit, Venom Jensen's story will be left as unfinished as Metal Gear 5's Venom Snake :E
I see a lot of posters are still commenting from a dimension where MD was a bad game and not one of the best of last year. That said, don't spend 5 years developing a game. They're lucky the studio wasn't shuttered entirely. Unless you're Rockstar or your game moves 20 million copies, you're not getting away with that shit in modern gaming.
Good project management might be the single most important thing in developing big, single player games these days. If you wind up with creep and your project spirals into some unfinishable mess, you've doomed your studio in many cases.
Good project management might be the single most important thing in developing big, single player games these days. If you wind up with creep and your project spirals into some unfinishable mess, you've doomed your studio in many cases.
NeoRaider
Member
Damn, I was hoping for more Deus Ex. Don't know what else I can do besides buying the game again, but I already own both PS4 and PC versions
You did your part... twice.
DriftingSpirit
Member
The studios being chosen need the work too.
Insomniac didn't have anything big, we see here that Mankind Divided didn't do well so Edios need work, etc....
SomedayTheFire
Member
It was and it wasn't.
broncobuster
Banned
On one hand, I adore Human Revolution and Mankind Divided. Not getting another one from the studio that "gets it" is very disappointing.
On the other, if they got Deus Ex, maybe they can get what made older Tomb Raider games so engaging. The previous two of the reboot are fine, but focusing on platforming and puzzle solving would be nice.
On the other, if they got Deus Ex, maybe they can get what made older Tomb Raider games so engaging. The previous two of the reboot are fine, but focusing on platforming and puzzle solving would be nice.
AHA-Lambda
Member
But we'll get endless crap TR games?
No justice
No fucking justice ;_;
No justice
No fucking justice ;_;
SomedayTheFire
Member
Eidos are also making a Marvel game.
I absolutely agree that this Deus Ex shit is a huge injustice and crime against gaming, but no love for ROTR?
Pretty disappointing. While the execution of MD deserved some flak, the level of vitriol heaped upon it here and elsewhere would imply that it's an awful game - which is unfair.
I just hope the dev team that worked on the MD and HR (Jonathan J-B et al ) don't scatter to the winds as a result of publisher meddling, they've gotten a lot right and who knows how MD would have turned out without SE's decision to cleave the game in two.
I just hope the dev team that worked on the MD and HR (Jonathan J-B et al ) don't scatter to the winds as a result of publisher meddling, they've gotten a lot right and who knows how MD would have turned out without SE's decision to cleave the game in two.
SomedayTheFire
Member
Probably wouldn't be out for another few years.
AHA-Lambda
Member
NeoRaider
Member
I never asked for this !
I doubt the low sales had anything to do with the game's story being left unfinished so I'm not gonna blame that for it. Mankind Divided is a very unique game in that there is nothing quite like it in terms of density. It was the most fun I had while exploring a game environment in years.
They are the only studio that "get" Deus Ex. I trust Arkane with the level design but I don't trust them when it comes to getting the feel of Deus Ex right. Plus Arkane hates ladders and Deus Ex has tons of it
I doubt the low sales had anything to do with the game's story being left unfinished so I'm not gonna blame that for it. Mankind Divided is a very unique game in that there is nothing quite like it in terms of density. It was the most fun I had while exploring a game environment in years.
They are the only studio that "get" Deus Ex. I trust Arkane with the level design but I don't trust them when it comes to getting the feel of Deus Ex right. Plus Arkane hates ladders and Deus Ex has tons of it
So is Jensen
a clone
Fair enough. I think they can do some neat stuff with the sequel(s?), maybe expand more on that open level stuff. Had a good time with those games, but agreed, industry definitely does not need more games like it.
Which I fear TR/GOTG might be
I played MD for a bit then just stopped and forgot about it. It was pretty cool but I couldn't care about any of it. Controls were really bad too, worse than first game. The game didn't feel good to play and control.
.................huh, what is this about?
.................huh, what is this about?
Dude
yes. Quite possibly yes
You don't deserve to be excited for Persona 5
edit: my bad. Thought you were talking Deus Ex lol
DX? Wrong.
DangerMouse
Member
Yeah.
d00d3n
Member
EM went in a too bold direction regarding content generation with the open world Prague hub. The open world environment was a brilliant achievement, and pushed the game to #1 in my personal GOTY list, but a critical mass of the fanbase wanted a larger emphasis on linear story content and "main missions". The game needed positive word of mouth and widespread critical acclaim to be successful, but too many people were disappointed for this to happen.
It is a shame that rebooted Deus Ex failed under these circumstances imo. They made an honorable gamble that led to an amazing game, but the project was shot down due to logical concessions that were necessary to focus resources on their idea of an open world immersive sim. The in app purchase stuff didn't help to sell the game, but it seemed extremely unfair with all the people who complained that the main quest was gutted, missing the last third, and so on, while completely glossing over the achievement of producing the massive Prague open world environment.
It is a shame that rebooted Deus Ex failed under these circumstances imo. They made an honorable gamble that led to an amazing game, but the project was shot down due to logical concessions that were necessary to focus resources on their idea of an open world immersive sim. The in app purchase stuff didn't help to sell the game, but it seemed extremely unfair with all the people who complained that the main quest was gutted, missing the last third, and so on, while completely glossing over the achievement of producing the massive Prague open world environment.
Nope, TR.
You are using screenshot from an older game when the sequel fixed it.Can we put a bullet in this franchise please? It's never been interesting.
^^And this is just embarrassing
Dargor
Member
I'm talking about the timed exclusive deal SE made for TR that soured people so much, that I think it also made things worse for MD.
They didn't fix the boring Uncharted wannabe gameplay
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
Can we put a bullet in this franchise please? It's never been interesting.
^^And this is just embarrassing.
Not sure if you're talking about Deus Ex or TR, I'd rather they put a bullet in a Marvel game, unless they're doing it Rocksteady justice, then why bother IMO.
NeoRaider
Member
What is "Uncharted gameplay?"
TR/ROTTR doesn't even have the same gameplay as Uncharted which is mostly scripted and shooting.
Nah the sequel still had pop ups telling you when a tomb was near by.
A shame for Deus Ex but hopefully Tomb Raider will benefit from a change of developer.
I think I'm pretty close to the end of the latest game and I'm trying to get through it but it's really bland and disappointing after the first game. I was really hoping that it would be given to another studio from about half way through so hopefully there will be a positive side to putting Deus Ex on hold for a while.
I think I'm pretty close to the end of the latest game and I'm trying to get through it but it's really bland and disappointing after the first game. I was really hoping that it would be given to another studio from about half way through so hopefully there will be a positive side to putting Deus Ex on hold for a while.
DalikSkywing
Member
Stop doing uncharted clones and calling them Tomb Raider
AHA-Lambda
Member
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Based on what? I see no evidence to support that. Probably hasn't sold 3 million total yet in over a year. Not good for what is supposed to be a blockbuster IP.
Maybe flop isn't the right word, but it definitely didn't light up the charts. The fact that Square Enix handes it off to another studio in favor pf a licensed product shows it's not exactly a top priority any more. You won't see Naughty Dog making Thor over The Last Of Us 2.