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Nintendo just announced a Splatoon 2 Global Testfire demo for March 24th-26th (6 sessions in total). Same demo as the various hands-on events.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QjK3uTO4mg
Nice way to get Splatoon players on-board early.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QjK3uTO4mg
Nice way to get Splatoon players on-board early.
Calm Mind
Member
Temper your expectation by half. Personally, I believe a compilation of both 3DS and Wii U games complete with all courses and DLC is the best anyone could hope for.
Poor NIS. Disgaea 5 Complete looks like their biggest effort to get on a Nintendo system (right at launch too) but preorders aren't even as high as the other two third party Switch games at Comg, much less Disgaea 3 on Vita. Maybe they're in for the long haul but still, Disgaea is their biggest IP and it didn't do well on PS4 in Japan either. I'm sure they were hoping to deliver a comparable version to an audience who prefers handhelds, but I wonder if it'll so any better on Switch than it did on PS4.
Mr. Pointy
Member
GamesMaya is reporting good word of mouth for Nioh and strong sales this weekend.
Since YSO predictions are based on pre-orders and pre-launch hype, they will probably be off this week since Nioh exceeded expectations after launch.
FFXV and Yakuza 6 are being sold for just 3,980 yens in some places:
PS4 Pro is becoming easier to find.
Since YSO predictions are based on pre-orders and pre-launch hype, they will probably be off this week since Nioh exceeded expectations after launch.
FFXV and Yakuza 6 are being sold for just 3,980 yens in some places:
PS4 Pro is becoming easier to find.
Out of curiosity, needs 15k for what? To not fall behind the PS3 before week 174? If so, it seems unlikley at this point
Yes, more than unlikely.
Jawbreaker
Member
This makes me happy. Nioh deserves every sale and then some.
Mr. Pointy
Member
I'm hoping Nioh does some good numbers. I don't think the launch week will be great, but I'm guessing the legs are there.
How much did it sell on PS4? Being at launch is tempered anyway by its general sales potential and by it still being a late port already sold on many other platforms since the forever
I wouldn't even call D5 a big effort though. It's a year late port retailing at full price. I know it's launch day on a new console, but does it really demand full price. Porting was likely not a huge endeavor if we are to believe other devs.
It sold ~43k by the end of 2015.
Their efforts on Nintendo consoles are all pretty much ports, but the only time Disgaea made it to a Nintendo system was the considerably downgraded port for the DS. NISA did a few things that were notable I believe (Cave Story, Sakura Wars port), but Disgaea is the closest thing they have to a major IP. The fact that it is D5 and not some random older one shows they're making an effort. And having it out at launch in Japan is a big effort from NIS I'd say. They previously said D5 would not run well on Vita, which means they're basically trying to offer this to their fans who'd like this portable.
Yes, Disgaea 5, a game released in 2015, has been released on so many platforms, like PS4, PS4, PS4, PS4 and soon Nintendo Switch.
In contrast to past handheld releases, D5 Complete doesn't even seem to have any original content.
If straight up porting an existing old game to a new platform is to be considered an effort then that really just speaks about NIS' inability to actually make an effort.
I can agree that it's a "big effort" in terms of the best game they could have there, but not a big effort in the grand scheme of things as it's still a high priced late port/complete edition with nothing new. A lower price point may have got more interest (maybe).
Thankfully, i doubt NIS are basing their future releases on the sales reception of this title, and its more a show of "look, we're here and we're releasing games day 1, this will be the new home for portable versions of our games".
That is amazing! I just can't believe how incompetent some companies are!
PdotMichael
Banned
But DLCs and stuff...
It's the Japanese equivalent of the mass effect 3 situation, just not as bad!
Herb Alpert
Banned
This reminds me of something
Hellraider
Member
Watch D5 getting ported to Vita later this year with new content...
43k on PS4 to me means that even a 20k ltd more than 1 year later at full price would be good
My mistake
Doesn't change the situation that much especially considering..
This
I'm sure nis are much more curious about the rest of the world sales considering that's where a lot of their disgaea sales come from.
Sammy Samusu
Member
The self sabotage.
Kresnik258
Member
I mean, Disgaea 3 budget release on PS3 came out 2 years before the Vita version of Disgaea 3. This kinda stuff happens all the time.
Disgaea is all they have.
They are probably hoping that any kind of buzz earned through Switch launch hype will sell some more units of the PS4 version therefore the budget price release.
Otakumegane
Member
This is a good and reasonable guess.
Mr. Pointy
Member
Does the Best Price version of games usually come with the DLC?
Not usually. I'm sure they are just lower price rereleases with worse box art.
NIS needs to work on its marketing. Afaik Best Price version is without any DLC while Switch is like a GOTY edition. The season pass when it was still available cost 4000¥, all the individual DLC total at 4900¥ (unless there is also a sale on those).
Great this makes it a lot easier to gauge interest in Splatoon 2. If in Japan on the week leading up to the demo we see stock disappearing due to a demo of Splatoon 2 than Nintendo would have found a way to supplement Switch sales with Splatoon even prior to it's launch.
Anyways I'm going to be tracking YouTube for スプラトゥーン2 related videos after the testfire since I'm sure the Japanese YouTube community is going to be the first bunch of people being given a Switch for marketing purposes.
Nintendo's creators program might not be very popular in the West but in Japan there is content creators that are definitely in the program. There is currently 200 videos with a maximum of 4 million views and a minimum of 168k and this is just スプラトゥーン(Splatoon) uploaded in the last year.
Why will we get numbers on Thursday if it launches on Friday?
When we get sell-through from games released on thursday, the blogger often gives hints shipments for Friday releases.
Are the Japanese audiences such cooperate fanboys that Nintendo vs Sony matters more than portable vs home console?
Nah i think what he means is that the audience just isn't there. NIS have never tried to cultivate an audience on Nintendo consoles, Sony is where they've always been. But seeing as there's no vita version, if handheld fans want it, they have to buy a switch.
Switch isn't even out and Sony pushes developers to leave their Vita audience hang and dry by moving everything to PS4. Again, will that portable audience cease to exist just because Sony told them so?
Not only that but if there's no guarantee that NIS will continue to release software on Switch after Disgaea 5(which is why Niikawa came out and promised they will). If you expand it even further there's no other PS-centric franchises being released on Switch right now either so that audience has no real incentive to move over.
EDIT:
The issue is Switch isn't getting all of those games and PS4 is. If the choice is between all the franchises they like in the form they don't like(PS4) or the opposite(Switch) then consumers will make the obvious choice(
Neither
Nah the demand for a portable will be there, so hopefully they'll all start transitioning. I'm interested to see what IF/compile heart do with their portable stuff.
I think you are missing the part that of all previously Vita centered developers NIS is the one that made the "PS4 exclusive" move the earliest and got burned hard for it. Yes of course there is a risk that the hi-end portable otaku audience previously and still on Vita will just stop looking for a dedicated hi-end portable device. But I doubt any of the other previously Vita centered developers making the move to PS4 exclusives will fare much better than NIS. And at that point it's not about "cultivating an audience on a Nintendo platform" but about "can we salvage that hi-end portable audience that will never make the move to home console or are we doomed".
Hero of Legend
Member
I'd like to think Nintendo fans will have the incentive to support NIS if they show continued effort on Switch. I believe in the kind of "loyalty" so to speak where, if a publisher is lazy as hell, you don't have much incentive to buy their product. For example, I see lots of folks buy games solely to support a developer/publisher because of their efforts and know they can bring more to the table instead of just backing out right after.
For NIS, they are showing effort in porting their #1 game right now and with ALL of its DLC intact, AND, NISA is even releasing a big collector's edition for it, I think a first ever from them with their own game on a Nintendo system (they did do one for Rodea and Harvest Moon: Sky Village IIRC).
If they announce soon enough more specific games, that might make folks confident enough to buy Disgaea 5 Complete, I dunno. The game should be good enough to buy because it's good, and I certainly am getting it day 1. It is expensive even considering the DLC, but one consideration is that said DLC is all on the cart. What would happen if Disgaea 5's PS4 server or whatever holds the DLC ever goes kaput? No more access to the DLC, say MANY years from now. Switch would be the only place to get it. It's one way to look at that as an additional positive. Plus, if the game ever goes on sale (hell a Best Price release is sure to happen next year or so), you get EVERYTHING for that much cheaper.
I'm just trying to find some positives, but also a way that NIS can try winning the Nintendo crowd over. They off to a good start (especially promising more support after Disgaea 5), I am sad at the low pre-orders, but who knows, maybe it'll pull a Ni-Oh and do well despite low pre-orders.
For NIS, they are showing effort in porting their #1 game right now and with ALL of its DLC intact, AND, NISA is even releasing a big collector's edition for it, I think a first ever from them with their own game on a Nintendo system (they did do one for Rodea and Harvest Moon: Sky Village IIRC).
If they announce soon enough more specific games, that might make folks confident enough to buy Disgaea 5 Complete, I dunno. The game should be good enough to buy because it's good, and I certainly am getting it day 1. It is expensive even considering the DLC, but one consideration is that said DLC is all on the cart. What would happen if Disgaea 5's PS4 server or whatever holds the DLC ever goes kaput? No more access to the DLC, say MANY years from now. Switch would be the only place to get it. It's one way to look at that as an additional positive. Plus, if the game ever goes on sale (hell a Best Price release is sure to happen next year or so), you get EVERYTHING for that much cheaper.
I'm just trying to find some positives, but also a way that NIS can try winning the Nintendo crowd over. They off to a good start (especially promising more support after Disgaea 5), I am sad at the low pre-orders, but who knows, maybe it'll pull a Ni-Oh and do well despite low pre-orders.
PdotMichael
Banned
PS4 will always be a key platform for those devs because it's the easiest and safest way to get access to the international market.
Nintendo and Switch must prove that the Switch is also a reasonable platform not the other way.
Nintendo and Switch must prove that the Switch is also a reasonable platform not the other way.
Hero of Legend
Member
Yeah. I think if Splatoon 2 really gives it a boost worldwide (the kind Wii U NEEDED this early on), that will help, especially if Pokemon Stars is real and a Monster Hunter comes up before the end of the year (say the holidays? Monster Hunter XX HD Ver. is very possible).
I'm not sure about Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as it's a port (an enhanced port, but still).
Point being, Switch has some pretty damn good install base boosters early on, I don't think Wii U really had any at all. Dragon Quest X and MH3G HD Ver. were ports and neither has the added portability that Switch would provide.
If Switch does get a big install base, that will help arguably more than anything else. We'll just have to wait and see what's announced in the mean time.
I'm of the opinion that it will extremely difficult for software publishers to course correct. Especially for relatively higher end software, once they've increased those production values it will be hard to go back.
Whilst what you're saying it absolutely true I don't think the international sales for a lot of PS software matches/eclipses domestic sales to the extent where they can just take that hit.
All those brave niche developers hunting the vast amount of money found in international PS4 markets!
Well, if they heavily invest in higher production values without thinking about how and where to sell it they likely already are as good as dead...
unapersson
Member
All that talk of the collapse of the Japanese console market is obviously getting to them.
Well we're already kind of seeing it and some publishers will find success with it but some will struggle. Toukiden 3 will be one to watch(if it actually exists).
It'd be pretty shocking if that wasn't the case though.