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Are Amiibos as "cheat codes" an appropriate way to go moving forward? (BOTW related)

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Wereroku

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Dark Ninja said:
Does it still break though? If so its not that great if its only good for 15 to 20 shots I have the amiibo and I haven't gotten the bow yet due to the randomness.
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Apparently it is the best bow in the game. High durability huge range and ignores physics. Also does not use your arrows.

diaspora said:
This is Nintendo charging people for goods.
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That is one way to look at it. The other is that they are locking content behind a limited physical item and punishing their other customers who don't want to collect toys. They are free to sell their products the way they want but that doesn't mean we can't discuss the anti-consumer nature of it.
 
The Lamonster

The Lamonster

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Dark Ninja said:
Does it still break though? If so its not that great if its only good for 15 to 20 shots I have the amiibo and I haven't gotten the bow yet due to the randomness.
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The Twilight Bow does still break, but someone in the |OT| said they shot at least 70 arrows and it hasn't broken yet. Plus you can always rescan and reload until it drops again to get a new one.
 
kunonabi

kunonabi

Member
Wereroku said:
It can't be registered.


Yes they are rewarding one group by punishing another. They could just give you the DLC for free and let others buy it.
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It's not a punishment. All sorts of products are given various exclusive bonuses based on time, retailer, format, region, etc. A person is only entitled to the content that they specifically pay for. In this case the bonus content is designed for a separate product entirely. Just because I bought a bluray doesn't mean I'm owed bonuses tied to the movie's soundtrack release.
 
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Metzhara

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I picked up each of the amiibo for BotW when picking up my Switch. I have used them several times and my take on them is this:
I haven't personally received anything that altered my gameplay in such a way I would call it broken or unfair.
You can use each amiibo once every 24 hours it seems and they really just saved me the time I would have spent looking for most of the objects. Even the "exclusive" content I never actually received since it seems to randomly drop content.
Add to this that nearly everything in the game breaks or is temporary, I feel it does a good job. I get a really decorative figure (which is actually why I picked them up in the first place) and they perform an added benefit IF I so choose to use them that simply saves me time. Maybe I get an item in the next few days that just changes my playstyle but mostly I've been aware that these are just fun little diversions that let me continue to adventure the way I want to.

If this game had achievements or a social element to it I might be inclined to agree however. When it comes to games like Splatoon, I feel it should stick to graphical content. THIS is where I feel it is a little more dangerous.
 
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Dark Ninja

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Wereroku said:
Apparently it is the best bow in the game. High durability huge range and ignores physics. Also does not use your arrows.
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Yeah but does it break? If so ill lose it in 20 shots...maybe 30? Weapons are pointless to hoard except the ones to deal with Guardians.
 
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Wereroku

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kunonabi said:
It's not a punishment. All sorts of products are given various exclusive bonuses based on time, retailer, format, region, etc. A person is only entitled to the content that they specifically pay for. In this case the bonus content is designed for a separate product entirely. Just because I bought a bluray doesn't mean I'm owed bonuses tied to the movie's soundtrack release.
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What if the bluray release included a copy of the movie's soundtrack but you have to buy a hat to unlock it? I paid for a copy of BOTW that includes these items I just can't unlock them without paying for a 15-17 dollar plastic toy that doesn't even get you the whole set.

Dark Ninja said:
Yeah but does it break? If so ill lose it in 20 shots...maybe 30? Weapons are pointless to hoard except the ones to deal with Guardians.
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You should read the quote above you.
 
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DragonGirl

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Human Trashcan said:
Okay, so you have a lot of money and don't care since you're buying the amiibos anyway, got it. Now I see why you've convinced yourself that it's perfectly fine that Nintendo engages in blatantly anti-consumer practices.
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If you jumped at those conclusions any harder you'd be in orbit around Jupiter. Why is it so hard to listen to what somebody actually says? Why do you have to paint some imagined picture of a person to justify why you are dismissing what they actually said?

Human Trashcan said:
Again, tying the perks to the amiibos is fine, that's added value. Not allowing people to just purchase things like costumes as DLC is not fine. You can't have it both ways and say the amiibos are nice collectible toys AND say that they should be the only way to get in-game content. You're paying for both the toy and the DLC, I just want the option to pay for the DLC alone.
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I don't disagree with this. I'm just not upset about it. I don't collect all Amiibos. I couldn't afford to as I am, most dramatically, not a wealthy person. But the fact that there are figurines that do things I'd like to have doesn't raise my temperature the way it seems to for other people, and the fact that some people get so very heated and hyperbolic about it is what baffles me.

Wereroku said:
Well no you can't get a horse that is comparable to Epona in stats. She is one of the best horses in the game. Also I doubt anyone would be up in arms about being given the chance to get the outfits without buying the Amiibo.
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Epona's stats are pretty irrelevant though. They don't make any tangible differences to the game. Even in the timed courses, having a slower horse might make them easier to complete as you have more time to line up your jumps or shots. Now, if she were smarter than the other horses and didn't insist on avoiding the gate near the cliff I want to jump over, that would be different.
 
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HIGH DEF JEFF

Banned
Wereroku said:
Once every 24 hours. But apparently you can save scum and guarantee that you get what you want.



An in game npc can revive her and also the Amiibo can spawn her again.
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In case i do decide to play again..is it a random spawn? I used the amiibo three times..got the horse, pants, pants.
 
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MikeyKlump

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The Lamonster said:
I would say the only BotW amiibo that could be considered cheating or p2w is the Smash Zelda. She gives you the Twilight Bow which has high durability, unlimited arrows, and special light arrows that aren't affected by gravity.

I just ordered one.
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Where and how much did you pay?
 
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Wereroku

Member
HIGH DEF JEFF said:
In case i do decide to play again..is it a random spawn? I used the amiibo three times..got the horse, pants, pants.
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Yep apparently it is random someone on reddit proved it.

DragonGirl said:
If you jumped at those conclusions any harder you'd be in orbit around Jupiter. Why is it so hard to listen to what somebody actually says? Why do you have to paint some imagined picture of a person to justify why you are dismissing what they actually said?

I don't disagree with this. I'm just not upset about it. I don't collect all Amiibos. I couldn't afford to as I am, most dramatically, not a wealthy person. But the fact that there are figurines that do things I'd like to have doesn't raise my temperature the way it seems to for other people, and the fact that some people get so very heated and hyperbolic about it is what baffles me.
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Sorry that I hate missing out of stuff because I don't collect figurines and don't really have the available income to buy 6 of them at this point. I never owned a WiiU so I wasn't used to Nintendo telling people they don't want their money for dlc. Most companies are pretty happy to release things in an unlimited format.
 
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pablito

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kunonabi said:
It's not a punishment. All sorts of products are given various exclusive bonuses based on time, retailer, format, region, etc. A person is only entitled to the content that they specifically pay for. In this case the bonus content is designed for a separate product entirely. Just because I bought a bluray doesn't mean I'm owed bonuses tied to the movie's soundtrack release.
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Not sure about that analogy, though.

Maybe like you bought an album digitally/cd but you're locked out of the bonus songs unless you buy the vinyl that comes with it's separate activation code? And you don't give a shit about vinyl. And the bonus songs not being available to listen to in any other way.
 
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Dark Ninja

Member
HIGH DEF JEFF said:
In case i do decide to play again..is it a random spawn? I used the amiibo three times..got the horse, pants, pants.
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Yeah its random. Also if you scan, get Epona and you don't register her. She will appear again if you scan the amiibo a different day.

The Lamonster said:
The Twilight Bow does still break, but someone in the |OT| said they shot at least 70 arrows and it hasn't broken yet. Plus you can always rescan and reload until it drops again to get a new one.
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70 is pretty good. I might sit there and re-scan my amiibo to get the the outfits but I can't deal with the randomness just for weapons.
 
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xKilltheMx

Member
Finally a reason for me to use my amiibo's and people are complaining. Keep doing this nintendo, this is a good balance. I feel rewarded for buying your product and it isn't hurting these other non amiibo owners.
 
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Wereroku

Member
xKilltheMx said:
Finally a reason for me to use my amiibo's and people are complaining. Keep doing this nintendo, this is a good balance. I feel rewarded for buying your product and it isn't hurting these other non amiibo owners.
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Really dude. Exclusive content that includes the best weapons in the game isn't hurting non amiibo owners?

sensui-tomo said:
But they cant access all the content in the game cartridge so it hurts them.
sorta sarcastic here..
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Yes they can't access the cool throwback armor and the best weapons in the game. Really just low level throwaway stuff right.
 
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HIGH DEF JEFF

Banned
Wereroku said:
Yep apparently it is random someone on reddit proved it.



Sorry that I hate missing out of stuff because I don't collect figurines and don't really have the available income to buy 6 of them at this point. I never owned a WiiU so I wasn't used to Nintendo telling people they don't want their money for dlc. Most companies are pretty happy to release things in an unlimited format.
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sensui-tomo said:
Yes amiibo drops are RNG. so you might get lucky and get Epona on your first draw, or pants, or an arrow.
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Dark Ninja said:
Yeah its random. Also if you scan, get Epona and you don't register her. She will appear again if you scan the amiibo a different day.
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Interesting..
Well i definitely didnt register her because i had no idea that was needed till much later when i found a stable.

Maybe ill scan everyday just to see what happens. As much as i dont like the game i did enjoy scanning in all my amiibos and stocking up. Friend watched me do it and said "if i ever get this game i need to borrow your toys..this shit is cheating"
 
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muteki

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I happen to have a 8-bit Link to go with my 8-bit mario amiibo. Good thing it comes with the only exclusive stuff I would want. Sucks that there is exclusive stuff in general though.
 
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a harpy

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NOLA_Gaffer said:
The 30th Anniversary Zelda amiibo is $12.99 MSRP. Where did you get $60 from?
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If anywhere actually has it in stock for this price, please link it to me. I really want the 30th anniversary windwaker set just to put on my shelf, but I don't want to pay $75 on ebay for it.
 
sensui-tomo

sensui-tomo

Member
Wereroku said:
Yes they can't access the cool throwback armor and the best weapons in the game. Really just low level throwaway stuff right.
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I'm kinda in the middle camp of this amiibo arguement, As in : I feel like people with amiibos should be rewarded for buying nintendo's crap. and that people who chose not to buy amiibos (For whatever reason) should be able to buy the stuff one way or the other.

My best bet, add a gift vendor, have dlc seperate from the season pass (this is the only way its gonna work for nintendo without pissing off the amiibo seperate stuff) and sell the costumes + possibly the weapon for about $4/5 a piece with the drawback also being that you get the weapon only once or have the ability to have it be in random treasure chests in game and get the armor from the gift vendor.

The Lamonster said:
I know they do this with LEGO sets, but it was $12.99 which I believe is MSRP.
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Maybe it changed recently, since i remember them being a $1 higher back around the time before Yarn Yoshi was out (I tried to find the giant one but never could)
 
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DragonGirl

Member
Wereroku said:
Yep apparently it is random someone on reddit proved it.



Sorry that I hate missing out of stuff because I don't collect figurines and don't really have the available income to buy 6 of them at this point. I never owned a WiiU so I wasn't used to Nintendo telling people they don't want their money for dlc. Most companies are pretty happy to release things in an unlimited format.
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Nintendo isn't any different. They are all businesses and one goal is to make money. Trivially true. Skylanders, for a while, proved the profitability and consumer acceptability of locking game content behind figurines and it was a natural fit for Nintendo and their pantheon of beloved characters. It would be silly to ignore that market and I appreciated their approach of only attaching bonus content to the figures and having them be usable across many games, rather than follow the pack of requiring them for games. Here's the reality. There's money to be had in this market. No business that thinks they can turn a profit here is going to ignore this market, so what's the best way to approach it? Given the options, I appreciate Nintendo's approach. I would not have touched a Skylanders approach and indeed, never have, even though I would have liked to play some of those types of games. But I never got upset over being locked out of Skylanders or Disney Infinity, or whatever. Frankly, I doubt I'll ever be able to experience all of the content I'd like to. I already say no to games I'd love to play because it's already too much. There isn't enough time, much less money to get upset over something like this.
 
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Opa-Pa

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I feel like until Nintendo decides to consistently offer the amiibo unlocks as DLC that can be purchased, this will keep being a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of thing for them. People want to get value out of their figurines, but others don't want to have to buy them to access whatever content they unlock, so offering it as DLC packs would be the most sensible solution, really.

Personally I bought some Smash amiibo back in the day, so I'm pretty glad to have access with all this, but I don't like how something as obviously desirable as past heroes' tunics is exclusive to amiibo owners. Not only it feels unfair, but Nintendo is sitting on some pretty good money lol.

Also seeing people "not seeing the big deal" about it and calling people hyperbolic for complaining is pretty weird, and what a coincidence that most seem to own these figurines. They're paying for a game that contains all this content they can't access without toys they don't want and Nintendo isn't offering it separately, come on now.
 
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de_reddy

Neo Member
Wereroku said:
Really dude. Exclusive content that includes the best weapons in the game isn't hurting non amiibo owners?


Yes they can't access the cool throwback armor and the best weapons in the game. Really just low level throwaway stuff right
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Yeah the game doesn't have enough content to justify the 60$ price...
 
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MikeyKlump

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The Lamonster said:
It was their online store.
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Not available anymore unfortunately.
 
NOLA_Gaffer

NOLA_Gaffer

Banned
a harpy said:
If anywhere actually has it in stock for this price, please link it to me. I really want the 30th anniversary windwaker set just to put on my shelf, but I don't want to pay $75 on ebay for it.
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Check your local Toys R Us, they're pretty good about stocking amiibo. Otherwise give it a few weeks, Nintendo is sure to be shipping out new batches of the Zelda amiibo as we speak.

This is the original amiibo fervor all over again. The Villager and Wii Fit Trainer amiibo sat on store shelves for weeks until someone mentioned that they were getting hard to come by and suddenly they were a hot item. The 30th anniversary amiibo hung around on store shelves since December when they released and only now are they hard to find because everyone has Zelda fever.
 
kunonabi

kunonabi

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pablito said:
Not sure about that analogy, though.

Maybe like you bought an album digitally/cd but you're locked out of the bonus songs unless you buy the vinyl that comes with it's separate activation code? And you don't give a shit about vinyl. And the bonus songs not being available to listen to in any other way.
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I just accept it and move on. Sometimes these scenarios work out in my favor and sometimes they don't. At the end of the day it's all stuff I'll never see again when I die anyway.
 
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Stalwart

Member
Dark Ninja said:
Does it still break though? If so its not that great if its only good for 15 to 20 shots I have the amiibo and I haven't gotten the bow yet due to the randomness.
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I'm the one from the OT who has the Zelda amiibo, I ended up shooting it even more and still couldn't get it to break. You can always get another one too since it's only a daily thing
 
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xKilltheMx

Member
Wereroku said:
Really dude. Exclusive content that includes the best weapons in the game isn't hurting non amiibo owners?



Yes they can't access the cool throwback armor and the best weapons in the game. Really just low level throwaway stuff right.
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Then buy the amiibo. This is like the dlc conundrum again. If you want what the dlc offers buy it, if you dont care enough dont. Me using an amiibo that has a chance at giving me a good weapon doesn't detract from your experience at all.
 
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MikeyKlump

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Love how this thread was supposed to be about whether or not this is good practice and turned into a thread about buying and using Amiibos lmao
 
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Wereroku

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xKilltheMx said:
Then buy the amiibo. This is like the dlc conundrum again. If you want what the dlc offers buy it, if you dont care enough dont. Me using an amiibo that has a chance at giving me a good weapon doesn't detract from your experience at all.
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How does being locked out of the best bow and boomerang in the game along with the throwback costume not detract from my experience. I would buy the DLC if I could but instead Nintendo wants us to pay a premium for a bad plastic toy. Also doesn't help that a few of the Amiibo are out of stock and selling for over MSRP.
 
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Omegasquash

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I have a moderate collection of them over these past few years. Stocking stuffers for my son, a few that came with games, and mostly ones that I found on the cheap. Lots of them were from Zelda, so I'm pretty happy that I didn't need to buy anything else.

I picked up Zelda & Archery Link for 20% off, but those are the only ones I've bought in what feels like an age.

I kind of like that they're adding little touches that you can get with Amiibo. It makes their value go just a little bit farther to me. I look at it as having neat little extra costumes, although getting Epona was very, very nice. The oddball extra durability shield or bow here and there helps too.
 
sensui-tomo

sensui-tomo

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Drewton said:
Does the Smash Link amiibo give all of these or just one like just Epona?
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all of them, randomly (you get 1 treasure chest per scan, 1 scan for said amiibo per day (aka use the time change exploit or save scum to get what you want) But you'll have access *eventually* to all those things if you scan enough.
 
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xKilltheMx

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Wereroku said:
How does being locked out of the best bow and boomerang in the game along with the throwback costume not detract from my experience. I would buy the DLC if I could but instead Nintendo wants us to pay a premium for a bad plastic toy. Also doesn't help that a few of the Amiibo are out of stock and selling for over MSRP.
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Fine. If Nintendo makes the dlc buyable for each amiibo in packs at Amiibo MSRP then all of your concerns would be handled. But they don't. I mean, youre not locked out you just dont want to pay for a toy, because you'd be willing to pay for the DLC. Understandable but a personal problem tbh
 
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Floody

Member
Not a fan, I applaud Nintendo on finding away to make people happily pay (and pay way more than it's actually worth at that) for locked content though, it's honestly genius. Personally I really have no interest in buying Amiibos, would even prefer Nintendo just selling the items/bonus through the consoles store, at least then I might be a little tempted to buy.
 
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Wereroku

Member
xKilltheMx said:
Fine. If Nintendo makes the dlc buyable for each amiibo in packs at Amiibo MSRP then all of your concerns would be handled. But they don't. I mean, youre not locked out you just dont want to pay for a toy. Understandable but a personal problem tbh
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Yeah I will accept that. However don't keep saying that this isn't degrading non amiibo owners experiences. Being locked out of the best weapons and horse in the game sucks.
 
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