bigboss370
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Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.
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Audioboxer
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Ah yeah, they spoke a tiny bit about GTA. Seemed to be the usual right-wing worry about "violence in video games makes people batshit", but Colin handled it okay talking about proportion of 70m people playing GTA versus anything happening. Of course, that then came back to guns saying the same thing for them. Again, mostly 15 minutes of rambling about small government, individual freedoms and a bit of bashing of free speech kerbing. Nothing sinister, just fairly disagreeable if you don't line up politically with either of them. As I said about Beck though, I don't really know much about him, first time I've ever heard him speak. "Christian Conservative" set off some alarm bells for me, only because I worry that is followed up with some regressive views. Colin did make it clear he's an atheist and it didn't set Beck off. Neither did the support of gay marriage, but funnily enough Beck said he didn't care to meddle with what individuals want to do.
Greg really isn't taking this well :/
harrisk954
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Devs: We want to tell have a RPG with tedious crafting and without a quest log
Non devs: No, crafting is off-putting and drags the experience down and without a quest log I don't know what to do
Devs: We want to re-use our assets, so players will have to retread the entire game several times.
Non Devs: No, running through the exact same levels like in Silent Hill 4 can be boring and tedious and ruins the experience.
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Devs: We want to make a badly designed RPG game
Non devs: Cool
Devs: We want to make boring level design and monotonous level design
Non Devs: Cool
lordofpwn, feedback and criticism is all about what being an artist and a creator means. What do you think editors do for authors? What do you think player testing does for game developers? What do you think focus testing do for markting? What do you think collaborating with other colleagues and getting their opinion on your own work? What do you think humans do when they share their opinion with one another? Just because people want more diversity and is voicing their concerns about the boring whiteness doesn't mean that they should shut up or simply just think everything is cool. Developers love feedback and criticism when it's warranted.
Also, you seem to think that 1) "non-devs" (whoever they are) should shut up and 2) that other developers aren't criticizing and asking for better and more rounded representation. And since it's only developers who are allowed to say things according to you, which group do you belong to?
Devs: We want to tell have a RPG with tedious crafting and without a quest log
Non devs: No, crafting is off-putting and drags the experience down and without a quest log I don't know what to do
Devs: We want to re-use our assets, so players will have to retread the entire game several times.
Non Devs: No, running through the exact same levels like in Silent Hill 4 can be boring and tedious and ruins the experience.
- GOOD -
Devs: We want to make a badly designed RPG game
Non devs: Cool
Devs: We want to make boring level design and monotonous level design
Non Devs: Cool
lordofpwn, feedback and criticism is all about what being an artist and a creator means. What do you think editors do for authors? What do you think player testing does for game developers? What do you think focus testing do for markting? What do you think collaborating with other colleagues and getting their opinion on your own work? What do you think humans do when they share their opinion with one another? Just because people want more diversity and is voicing their concerns about the boring whiteness doesn't mean that they should shut up or simply just think everything is cool. Developers love feedback and criticism when it's warranted.
Also, you seem to think that 1) "non-devs" (whoever they are) should shut up and 2) that other developers aren't criticizing and asking for better and more rounded representation. And since it's only developers who are allowed to say things according to you, which group do you belong to?
harrisk954
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Massive Duck. C.M.
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It's always hilarious to see how "non-devs" think game development works with regard to "forced diversity"
ScientificPizza
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idk if you can look at Greg asking for fan feedback as him not taking this well lmao
funkystudent
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TBH I kind of want to see Colin try the solo Patreon route and see how well he does.
Those results would be interesting
Those results would be interesting
H.Cornerstone
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Yeah, at one point I too was against diversity for diversity sake, but after seeing the benefits from the past two Star Wars movies, the pros definitely out weight the cons so it doesn't bother me as much.
Ah, thanks mate.
theangrypirate
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Joe Rogan is actually pretty fucking smart and well read. Just because you don't agree with or like what someone says doesn't mean they are misinformed.
Audioboxer
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On UFC/Fitness, definitely. Everything else he's a major mixed bag. His show is best for getting on a massive range of guests where you listen to THEM talk, not so much Joe.
Luckily Joe is fairly decent about not speaking too much, and does let guests say a fair amount. I think some people want him to be more abrasive, up in guests faces and shutting down some of the shit guests spew. That's not his style though, and at times to get many different types of guests you do need to be a bit more hands off being overly confrontational.
Kind of like how Louis Thereoux works. If someone is going to hang themselves you can just give them the rope to do so (ask them questions, appear to listen, and therefore keep them talking), without trying to be all hands on about it. It's actually an acquired skill to remain calm, patient and mindful even in the face of someone saying dumb shit in front of you. The easy route is getting instantly hostile, shouting back and maybe even threatening.
facetheslayer92
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What would the product he's selling even look like? Does he have the infrastructure in place to make regular videos and/or podcasts?
Nah alot of the time he has no idea. Ill give him credit for being open to change stances and being a great host.
RedAssedApe
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weekly guest host like they do when replacing late night and daytime talk show hosts to see who has chemistry
FinaruDensetsu
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I know he's said he doesn't support Trump. But he's also praised lots of people and things associated with that administration while virtually always criticizing, scolding, and outright antagonizing everybody and everything against Trump.
Get Xavier Woods as co-host.
excelsiorlef
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But he said it... so not really seeing how he's great at handling criticism.
names2hard4you
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Boogie seems to have had something to say about this matter
As for the PSILY thing, I'd say Greg should give Kevin a shot as the second host.
As for the PSILY thing, I'd say Greg should give Kevin a shot as the second host.
Oh god, anyone got the footnotes? I can't image boogie comes out of this well
facetheslayer92
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I'll watch this but someone's gotta Cliffnotes this.
Primethius
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His support of Trump isn't so simple as he does or does not support him.
Colin is the guy who put out a video on minority issues and then stated multiple times that he would vote for Trump over Hillary.
His "renounciation" of Trump needs to be followed​ by a * Everytime.
theangrypirate
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where exactly does he talk about Colin? I listened to about 10 minutes of it around the 40 minute mark and didn't notice. I am working while listening though so i may have missed it.
Before I waste my time, is this another one of boogie's "we need to be kinder to each other!" vapid false equivalency fests or has he actually grown as a person since Gamergate?
pizzaparty
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He totally whitewashes the JonTron stuff. JonTron is "trying on new ideas" and wanted to talk about "immigration and people of color." He doesn't agree with JonTron but "doesn't fault him for trying out the idea." Then he goes on some tangent that YouTube content creators are unfairly attacked by the internet outrage machine.
"Gaming press called out Colin because they hate that he went independent."
Most gaming press folks I follow are friends with Colin, including the ones who called him out. Most who aren't friends with him still feel he's a colleague and therefore it looks bad on the gaming press as a whole if no one calls out bad behavior. No one was like, "let's get this outsider!!!!"
Most gaming press folks I follow are friends with Colin, including the ones who called him out. Most who aren't friends with him still feel he's a colleague and therefore it looks bad on the gaming press as a whole if no one calls out bad behavior. No one was like, "let's get this outsider!!!!"
theangrypirate
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Ah, thats why I missed it. Thanks!
Darryl M R
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Filth stick together. These fence-sitter, middle of the road, mainstream media does't like us YouTubers are so annoying. What is this perceived war on YouTube from news site?
"I don't fault Jon for trying out the ideas"
"The big sites aren't upset about the racism and sexism, they are upset that these guys are independent from them"
What
The
Fuck
Fuck you Boogie
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Deleted member 10571
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Yeah I got a feeling you'd indeed waste your time waiting on that
It's probably some more shit of that mixed with a healthy dose of "media hates him 'cause he's on Youtube so they paint him badly", completely ignoring what he (and the others depicted in the video) actually said.edit lol knew it.
Maybe a new thread for new news is worth it, since otherwise this would probably lead way offtopic in terms of Colin, given that Boog also talks about Jontron and other racism issues.
Yeah I got a feeling you'd indeed waste your time waiting on that
edit lol knew it
Christ it's even worse than I thought it would be reading the above. Boogie is fucking hopeless.
Darryl M R
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Yeah I got a feeling you'd indeed waste your time waiting on that
edit lol knew it.
Maybe a new thread for new news is worth it, since otherwise this would probably lead way offtopic in terms of Colin, given that Boog also talks about Jontron and other racism issues.
I think this is worth a thread. YouTubers constantly ignoring other's wrong doing and deflecting.
Discotheque
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i think that tweet was pretty harmless, if he didn't actually mean it of course. was just a cheesy Al Bundy joke.
but I'm not familiar with any of these youtube personalities so maybe he has questionable opinions or something.
but I'm not familiar with any of these youtube personalities so maybe he has questionable opinions or something.
Yekshemesh
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I bet if Jontron were to make fat jokes Boogie's tone would suddenly change.
He's a little busy on Monday nights when they record PSILY
Audioboxer
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People should just watch the video, it's 13 minutes.
It's Boogie though, the guy would try to be friends with Darth Vader. At a bare minimum he said they were saying things that were wrong, he wouldn't do it, and some of the anger at them was probably deserved.
It's Boogie though, the guy would try to be friends with Darth Vader. At a bare minimum he said they were saying things that were wrong, he wouldn't do it, and some of the anger at them was probably deserved.
names2hard4you
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To go back on topic, man it's kinda rough seeing how much hatred the Kinda Funny guys are getting. I understand Colin getting it, but damn. The like/dislike ratio on their new videos is crazy. Some of the comments in there are completely toxic too. It's almost like all of these Colin fanatics decided to come out all at once and keep on pounding everything and everyone around them. It's insane.
I have to wonder when/if things will get better for the other guys. I legitimately like their content, and I can't imagine all this hatred being good. Eventually the pressure will bleed into what they make.
I have to wonder when/if things will get better for the other guys. I legitimately like their content, and I can't imagine all this hatred being good. Eventually the pressure will bleed into what they make.
GitarooMan
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I think this will just die down eventually as they get bored. These trolls will go follow Colin's new thing.
Human Trashcan
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White nationalism: Just try it out!
Boogie has always been a Logic Man since the GG days though, dog whistling to them while keeping up pretenses of being Objective by keeping up false equivalencies and both sides-ism.
But yeah fuck this whole youtube gaming scene, all the big ones are apparently fucking idiots who can't see plain ol' white nationalism for what it is. Markiplier's completely empty statement after pdp's rant too. What went wrong that an entire generation of young men raised on the internet thinks white nationalism is just a difference of opinion?
There's a lot to unpack here. Being an artist is not all about feedback and criticism, feedback and constructive criticism help me improve my craft and that's it. I've also never called for people to shut up about wanting diversity. I would love more diversity as I said in my post you reference, I also want more inclusiveness. My examples were very basic and you've took issue with them, and I'm glad you've fleshed out why. If I actually had an editor they would probably want me to better explain what I meant by dev and non dev so they could help flesh that out with me. What I was trying to get across was that if a someone wants to tell a particular story they should tell it, but the moment someone says that they wont allow this person to tell their story it's a problem. But that doesn't mean you have to enjoy or can't have problems with the story. Ask instead of demand. One makes you think, the other is restrictive.
You're jumping to conclusions. I don't think people should shut up, I think that maybe people should think more before speaking. I'm well aware of developers wanting more rounded representation. I remember there was a good talk on the matter a few years ago at GDC iirc. And again I never said only developers are allowed to say things. You saying I said that is factually untrue, and because of this, I believe that mistake to be a part of the problem. I am a vfx artist with a background in movies, tv, theatre, and marketing.
Scrotum Phillips
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This was the most nerfball thing i've seen on this. Meet Jon in the middle? Yikes.
As for the Colin stuff, add him to the list that think the outrage is solely over his recycled joke. For the 900th time, the lions share of the annoyance of Colin's tweet deals with his very naked and repeated attempt to
troll, and then make fun of those who are "triggered" by this. Then, when the going gets tough, he'll play the victim and go into a shell. This is not an isolated incident ion his part.
His take that most want him to fail because he's independent? Yeesh. I'm sure there's a small group who might feel that way, but by and large I'd imagine the majority of viewers prefer a Kind of Funny over an IGN. It's just when someone acts like a dick, those viewers also have the "freedom" to tell him he's acting like a dick. Freedom of speech is a two-way thing.
DeviantBoi
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Get Jack Tretton.
Greg and Jackie T.
Greg and Jackie T.
names2hard4you
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Maybe, but it's kind of crazy that these folks had always been dormant wolves in sheep's clothes. I was always under the impression that the community stuck out for itself and was very progressive and positive. But then again, I never thought Trump would get elected over there in the US, and look at things now. Crazy times we live in, let me tell ya.
Shadowhelper
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It's funny people have been bringing up Joe Rogan. I was initially going to make the comparison that Collin really reminds me of Rogan in that he sounds smart, articulate, but in reality, they're both perhaps not nearly as intelligent as they think they are and we shouldn't put much stock into what they say.
Even if they did happen to be all that, doesn't really excuse leaning towards that mens rights bs, but it is a certain type that sincerely falls for that stuff.
Even if they did happen to be all that, doesn't really excuse leaning towards that mens rights bs, but it is a certain type that sincerely falls for that stuff.
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