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[komorebi]

Damn, that RPS preview is brutal

Sounds like the usual paint by numbers RPS article of endless jaded quips and sarcasm dripping from every other sentence. Nearly impossible to read their shit writing on a good day but this just sounds like Sir Cranky McFrowny really wants to drive home how much he doesn't like thing X.


Edit: damnit their dry wit infected me

 

[Yjynx]

This is the worst downgrade.

Do bioware have something against women chara model in general?


Edit:

The eyes especially creep me out....
Now I see the animation...

 

[Jamaro85]

This is the worst downgrade.

I remember reading a few comments way back when female Ryder was first revealed saying that they were glad BioWare didn't try to make Ryder look like a model. Whelp.

 

[Primethius]

The female Ryder model looks Indian to me and I'm not sure that was the intent given the male Ryder model.

 

[RDreamer]

Oh come on Eden don't do this to me! You're making me want to play The Witcher 3! I don't have enough time to add that in but all the screenshots look sooooo good.

Holy crap....she's the original model??? She's so pretty!

....what happened?

What happened is they actually took her real facial structure and portrayed it realistically and that means it ends up looking very different from a largely photoshopped, very staged model's photoshoot? Seriously, the girl she's based on doesn't even have any photos online of her hair up, so it's kind of ridiculously hard to even make a comparison. You guys don't actually think she walks around looking like that photo on the left, right?

This is probably the closest:

Seriously, stop posting the comparison. She's a good looking girl in her model photoshoot, and if the in game model is any indication she's also a good looking girl with less makeup and her hair up too. You can see shots of some of the people voted sexiest women alive outside of their glamour shots and dolled up movie makeup and you guys would probably think they look horrendous, too. They look like real people. Get over it.

I also really fucking wish Bioware wouldn't use models and such for references because it turns into this crap, anyway.

 

[Yjynx]

The female Ryder model looks Indian to me and I'm not sure that was the intent given the male Ryder model.

Perhaps they're using the same mold? Just customise the the male model and voila job done?

The problem lies on the very stiff facial animation, dead eyes and the lightning I think?

 

[Crossing Eden]

I remember reading a few comments way back when female Ryder was first revealed saying that they were glad BioWare didn't try to make Ryder look like a model. Whelp.

The in-game models are based on facial scans and by my knowledge those are typically conducted with makeup.

What happened is they actually took her real facial structure and portrayed it realistically and that means it ends up looking very different from a largely photoshopped, very staged model's photoshoot? Seriously, the girl she's based on doesn't even have any photos online of her hair up, so it's kind of ridiculously hard to even make a comparison. You guys don't actually think she walks around looking like that photo on the left, right?

This is probably the closest:

Seriously, stop posting the comparison. She's a good looking girl in her model photoshoot, and if the in game model is any indication she's also a good looking girl with less makeup and her hair up too. You can see shots of some of the people voted sexiest women alive outside of their glamour shots and dolled up movie makeup and you guys would probably think they look horrendous, too. They look like real people. Get over it.

I also really fucking wish Bioware wouldn't use models and such for references because it turns into this crap, anyway.

Nah man using models for scans is absolutely fine, it's literally just a terrible aspect of gaming culture seeping into every ME:A thread when it comes to complaining about the faces not being pretty enough.

Perhaps they're using the same mold? Just customise the the male model and voila job done?

The problem lies on the very stiff facial animation, dead eyes and the lightning I think?

Both defaults are based on completely different actors.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I'm fine with both default Ryders, tbh. I've actually started to like them.

 

[Davide]

This is probably the closest:

Still looks completely off.

 

[btrboyev]

The character models look goofy in both instances.

 

[M.W.]

https://www.twitch.tv/goldglove

Live stream of early access...creating character right now...lol

 

[RDreamer]

Nah man using models for scans is absolutely fine, it's literally just a terrible aspect of gaming culture seeping into every ME:A thread when it comes to complaining about the faces not being pretty enough.

I mean I'm not going to disagree with this. People complaining about the women in Bioware games being purposefully ugly in order to appease feminizis is just clinical insanity to me because Bioware's women are still largely very attractive compared to the average, anyway.

 

[JoduanER2]

When the downgrade is this light who cares... Is not like watch dogs or the division

 

[Crossing Eden]

Still looks completely off.

It looks like and likely is a 1:1 digital double of the model without makeup.

Why is P.B. a Mansari... all she is missing in that photo is a 5 o'clock shadow.

Ok now we're REALLY getting into the shittastic gaming sexism. Peebee doesn't look like a man.

 

[Crankshaft]

Why is P.B. a Mansari... all she is missing in that photo is a 5 o'clock shadow.

 

[RDreamer]

Still looks completely off.

It's the closest I could find to demonstrate the bone structure and features are largely the same, but you can't find a picture of her that doesn't have completely overblown highlights or is selectively edited to be the most flattering possible. There isn't even a single photo with her hair up, either. That's not a dig on her. She's a fucking model, that's kind of her thing. She's supposed to. But an in-game model analyzed frame by frame and also not put in a pose like that and not with the same lighting just won't look the same. Period.

 

[nynt9]

Really tired of people taking cherry picked pictures, come on now you're comparing a press screen with a cherry picked screenshot:

Fem Ryder's face model is fine, it's the animation that's the issue, not the models themselves for the main cast.

Wait, is that image you posted at the end supposed to be an argument for the faces looking good? Because it doesn't.

The in-game models are based on facial scans and by my knowledge those are typically conducted with makeup.


Nah man using models for scans is absolutely fine, it's literally just a terrible aspect of gaming culture seeping into every ME:A thread when it comes to complaining about the faces not being pretty enough.


Both defaults are based on completely different actors.

Oh come on. It's not about being pretty. It's about the uncanny valley and poor modeling/animation.

 

[Mr. Phellps]

https://www.twitch.tv/goldglove

Live stream of early access...creating character right now...lol

His male Ryder looks great

 

[Hatty]

noot noot

 

[antonz]

Its almost like they decided to use the Civilization 6 art style for the Humans. I mean obviously not as simplified but a similar simplification

 

[Crossing Eden]

Wait, is that image you posted at the end supposed to be an argument for the faces looking good? Because it doesn't.



Oh come on. It's not about being pretty. It's about the uncanny valley and poor modeling/animation.

What are your standards for custom RPG characters that that screenshot doesn't look good? When some people are saying "what happened" in regards to Fem Ryder not looking like a Photoshopped to hell and back picture that likely looks nothing like what the actress looks like naturally, yea it kinda is. Animation is the single biggest issue here when it comes to the default models.

 

[HotHamWater]

noot noot

I didn't know I wanted a Pingu game until this very moment.

 

[spannicus]

Lol every mass effect thread turns into the same face bs. Yall need to get over it. Smh damn neogaf smh

 

[antonz]

Lol every mass effect thread turns into the same face bs. Yall need to get over it. Smh damn neogaf smh

Maybe its time that "world class" developers be held to the standards they supposedly represent.

Its no different with Bethseda. People practically fall over themselves to excuse the broken shit they release all because hey modders can fix it down the line.

 

[Hatty]

Lol every mass effect thread turns into the same face bs. Yall need to get over it. Smh damn neogaf smh

the faces are bad

 

[broncobuster]

Default Male MC option is as bad as the Female MC. Peebee also looks bad. Animations wasn't always there in the older games but the new style the chose to go with doesn't look right.

 

[spannicus]

Maybe its time that "world class" developers be held to the standards they supposedly represent.

Its no different with Bethseda. People practically fall over themselves to excuse the broken shit they release all because hey modders can fix it down the line.

the faces are bad

Lol

 

[joms5]

The reveal footage to me looks more like pre-rendered rather than actual gameplay.

I still can't get over the female protagonist's face though. I can't put my finger on it but it looks really odd.

 

[ResoRai]

Man wtf am I the only one who thinks FemRyder looks cute? Lol. Some of the characters look a bit off, but eh.
Now this though:

noot noot

Good Lord lmao

 

[Exploratory]

The reveal footage to me looks more like pre-rendered rather than actual gameplay.

I still can't get over the female protagonist's face though. I can't put my finger on it but it looks really odd.

Good thing we can make her look however we like.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Maybe its time that "world class" developers be held to the standards they supposedly represent.

Its no different with Bethseda. People practically fall over themselves to excuse the broken shit they release all because hey modders can fix it down the line.

Let's consider the standard of customizable characters and graphical fidelity in open world RPGs. ME:A is at the higher end of the spectrum.

 

[FearlessBelgian]

Faces looks really bad in this game...

 

[Mechazawa]

FemRyder looks bad for the same reason pretty much all of the other characters look bad: poor shading, texturing, detailing on the faces. People may be responding in a shitty way to her face, but it extends beyond just "wow nerds can't handle women without makeup"

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

Looks like slightly different lighting. This is not a Watch Dogs level downgrade.

 

[GravityInsanity]

This is the worst downgrade.

noot noot

Spoiler

Still day 1. Already pre-ordered.

 

[SirPinkyNose]

Hey, I wonder if you guys notice yet, but I think the4e is something odd about the faces in this game. I think they look bad.

 

[SmoothRunningGun]

This is the worst downgrade.

Remove the model's makeup, put the camera that close to her face at such an unflattering angle and it will be a lot closer. Also, makeup and photoshop. The features are actually pretty close.

 

[Blastoise]

I have no problems if the main characters look like models. Shepard was hot af.

Both Ryders look more cartoonish than other Mass Effect games.

Ultimately i dont mind.

 

[sirap]

Looks like the eyeballs were excluded from any sort of shadowing or AO. As for the lighting, seems like a simple lack of color-grading.

 

[captainnapalm]

Bioware making women intentionally less attractive as some kind of ridiculous political statement sounds insane. And yet male Ryder is a pretty boy like his original model, while female Ryder has clearly been made more plain looking than her model. And then you have the Asari companion who legitimately looks like Shrek for God's sake. So who knows. They might just have been dumb enough to do something like that and think they were being progressive.

The RPS criticisms of the side quests (scan and fetch, scan and fetch) and writing (constant exposition and info dumps) are far more concerning though. That sounds like ME: Inquisition all over. I also notice in the previews everyone is immediately calling you Pathfinder (like Inquisitor) and you're immediately super special guy just because. In old Bioware games you would prove your worth and importance by your actions in the game. Now it's like they can't be bothered to do all that hard work. They'd rather just give you a fancy title.

 

[M.W.]

Remove the model's makeup, put the camera that close to her face at such an unflattering angle and it will be a lot closer. Also, makeup and photoshop. The features are actually pretty close.

Eyes are wrong, eyebrows are wrong, chin is wrong...etc

She's been massively effected

 

[Alpha Phoenix]

I'm confused. Were those supposed to be in-game photos? I thought it was CGI.

 

[spannicus]

Im buying this to keep me from finishing Horizon Zero dawn. I never wanna finish that game. Gonna go back and forth.

 

[DrBo42]

Eyes are wrong, eyebrows are wrong, chin is wrong...etc

She's been massively effected

Eh, you're making it seem worse than it is. Rotation of her face would make that chin look more accurate. In any case it looks like they made her neutral expression more of a smile with cheekbones inflated too much and brow raised.

 

[B-Dex]

The animations in this game are not ok. I dunno what bios are did but it isn't good. All the streams I've seen just made me happy I didn't pre order.

 

[prag16]

I don't get these threads sometimes. The new ones look better to me.

There is no downgrade.

And we're done here as far as I'm concerned. OP makes no sense.

 

[Chumley]

Damn, that RPS preview is brutal

To be fair, they hate literally everything these days. Their writers are jaded, cynical, and seem resentful of their own hobby as if they're stuck in this job they can't get out of.

 

[Obliterator]

noot noot

Ok I haven't gotten to see all of the media for this game as I'm trying to go in mostly blind on plot, but is this legit or was it a glitch?

 

[Ivory Samoan]

So, game development happened

This is what I see as well: game looks stunning as far as I can tell, and by most accounts it's fun too.... so there's that.

To be fair, they hate literally everything these days. Their writers are jaded, cynical, and seem resentful of their own hobby as if they're stuck in this job they can't get out of.

It is odd that the RPS preview by Holly done a month or so ago was glowing, now John's RPS take is so shaded I can't even see the sun: perhaps he wasn't the right person for the review: sounds like he absolutely hates video games if I'm being honest.

 

[lucebuce12]

Ok I haven't gotten to see all of the media for this game as I'm trying to go in mostly blind on plot, but is this legit or was it a glitch?

The day 1 patch specifically mentioned fixing some facial animation related bugs. This is most likely one of them.