There's still a difference between having to own a Wii U and having to own a PC. The word "facilitate" definitely applies here.
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Eurogamer: BotW running on CEMU showing remarkable progress
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There's still a difference between having to own a Wii U and having to own a PC. The word "facilitate" definitely applies here.
because they arent emulating the game. they are emulating the hardware.
Nintendo can't do anything about emulators cuz they're not illegal. I guess they can go after the CEMU website if their are any copyrighted images there used to advertise or something petty like that... dunno how well that would work
I totally understand the whole preserving games thing, some games need it on account of limited quantities, failing/rare original hardware, DRM possibly locking our future gamers from trying it, all manner of legitimate reasons.
However, the quickness for which some run to trot out "but preservation!" in order to deflect any and all valid questioning and criticism of emulation projects like CEMU putting out very recently released current-gen games is pretty laughable and suspect. Let's be honest. This game is in the category of least likely to need preservation, and while it still should be for the sake of it, the majority with their interest piqued in seeing Zelda BOTW perfectly emulated are not doing so because of anything related to "preservation."
Stiflers Mom
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I am honest here: it just irks me, that I bought an Wii U at launch, waited 5 years for Zelda, and now everybody can play this on a PC with good enough specs and will probably have a better experience than I will have playing this on my shitty Wii U.
Chill Penguin
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Oh please. There's a reason why it's not legal in many countries. It matters when it was released because playing the game at its best possible form is competition to Nintendo,the creator of the actual content. Far more people will be using this to pirate than to backup the game they purchased.
Actually, CEMU will be even smoother than the Switch in the end. And at 4K too.
Also there is nothing to "dispute" here. You have the right to emulate whatever game you own, no matter if it came out yesterday or 10 years ago.
It's literally the best time to do it.
Napalm_Frank
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We'll be missing a version of the game running with a decent framerate and modern standard resolution
.franklyshankly
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Regardless of what software they're running, the morality of an emulator itself is not "up for debate" there is literally no debate. If people want to give them money for that effort, there is also nothing wrong with that. Patreon is not payment, they are not selling the software to my knowledge. "Profit" also indicates a gain made on sale of a good or service, which again is not the case here. Anyone can freely downlaod Cemu whether they are a patron or not.
I personally don't ever care about the preservation argument, I honestly don't even think it matters if most games are "preserved" for all time, they are just games. But nothing needs to be justified here. Emulators are legal, ripping your own copy of Zelda from your own Wii U hardware is legal. Other people doing illegal things with it has nothing to do with what they're doing.
Milly Osworth
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It's strange that it's legal, but eh. At least we will get 4k Zelda screenshots. This game deserved more powerful hardware for sure, it's beautiful.
wonderful103
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Legally you need to rip the game to play it to emulate it, no? At least with my experience with dolphin that's how I got to emulate wii titles legally.
Did they really write that?
It's almost lowkey snitching...
Like the dude that corrects Target when they accidentally price big flat-screens for $100.00...I mean why?
Everybody still needs a WiiU to dump their copy of the game though.
As someone who also bought a Wii U years ago, I'd be more irked by playing Zelda at 720p rather than 4k.
Yes. But your original post implied that there can't be such a thing as "Nintendo fans that don't want to play on the Nintendo hardware". I don't know what the need to rip on Nintendo hardware has to do with it.
Factually it is legal in most countries.
It doesn't matter when it was released. Especially when the Wii U has been cracked open and easily pirateable for two years. May as well Nintendo motherfucking release a update that bricks all the Wii Us in existence.
Dee Dah Dave
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Looking forward to taking it for a spin at 60fps!
SatoAilDarko
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SMH at the 22K a month.
GhostTrick
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Because making such a wonderful game runs at the IQ and framerate it deserves IS preserving it. For the record, I'm a Wii U owner, I enjoyed the shit out of my Wii U copy of BoTW and rushed 45 hours of game in 4 days. Yet, I'm waiting for the CEMU emulator to be ready to do a new game. Because the game clearly deserve better. Yes, it deserves a locked framerate, a nice IQ for that nice art and maybe, I hope, the draw distance such an amazing open world deserve. That's what being a fan means and not doing some concern trolling about the company making the game.
I don't have a problem with devs getting paid, I support RPCS3 on Patreon. The problem is that it's a closed source project, which runs entirely contrary to video game preservation. byuu explains this way better than I ever could, I recommend reading the entire thing.
TylerDurden4321
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haha, yea, the feeling is there for me too, but for the ones who legally buy a copy but would not have bought hardware for just one or two games, I'm happy that they get to play it.
It would feel less "well, shit" had Nintendo used the Wii U gamepad screen better.
Oh my god you're such a Nintendo apologist. It's totally the company's fault that we're ripping them off. Their own fault for not releasing a product on a platform that would not benefit them. Please don't ruin my rationalization for stealing
Haven't we agreed that we wouldn't want to turn threads about emulation to shit with comments like this?
sixteen-bit
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they need to stop snitchin' lol
maybe Nintendo will hire them for VC? best case scenario of course, lol
Oh my God I never signed the deal. Where is the contract?
I think we'll only all agree once it returns to being bannable. Those of us left.
Smooth Operator
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Stop snitchin' Eurogamer
Huh? What the fuck is this?
I bought a Wii U around 2 years ago and I'm really irked by how badly the game runs on what was originally promised to be the target platform. I've been enjoying the game a lot and I don't plan to get a Switch anytime soon, so I'd be really happy to play at a stable 30 at least in the short term if possible. (4K will probably be almost for free)
Regarding the article: The understanding of what an emulator does from the author and his usage of terms makes me scratch my head. There's no Zelda-specific builds. They're just improving the hardware emulation in general, which happens to fix Zelda. No amount of game-specific hacks would give this much progress in a week. It just seems like a lot of pieces fell into place.
OverturePT
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Tbh it rubs me in the wrong way that this is a closed source emulator but yes it's impressive. I still wouldn't support it because of that (being closed source).
Napalm_Frank
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Nintendo is free to sell their games on PC platform themselves if they worry about the money pouring to emulator devs.
They're emulating hardware that's no longer being sold (not that it matters). This is completely legal.
To not be snarky: I think it's disingenuous to create a way to play a game that's been released for less than a month without purchasing it under the umbrella of "emulation" and act like were preserving history or something. I think it's OK to acknowledge that the vast majority he of players will likely not have purchased the product. So in practice this "emulation" is really supporting piracy
Hari Seldon
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I wonder if they can improve the draw distance in the emulated version?
im pretty sure that emulators are legal world wide being as companies have used them to sell products (rare replay) (SEGA) ( Nintendo )
Bleemcast was also ruled legal.
Baleoce
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It's definitely a bad thing that CEMU is closed source, for sure. Regardless of how technically impressive their progress is in such a space of time. It could very well hurt Wii U emulation / preservation in the long run if this continues to be the only emulator out there. And byuus thoughts are definitely worth a read.
And it's okay to acknowledge that when adhering to most countries laws on the matter, that paragraph doesn't really mean anything.
theechrisfox
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The best way to play a game is on hardware it wasn't made for? Or is that the most convenient way for someone who doesn't want to spend money in support of the company by purchasing the hardware...
Your thread whining about this very same thing got locked, so you're here why?
GhostTrick
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I'm sure the very fact Wii U is wide hacked means they should have cancelled the Wii U version. Y'know, that'd be "supporting piracy".
It's not piracy when you dump your own game. So can we stop hiding behind the umbrella of "piracy" and concern trolling for a multi billion dollars company ?
Teletraan1
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I own a Wii U and the game. I have already completed the game on Wii U, ripped it to my PC and await the time when it is playable and bug free on CEMU to give it another playthrough in the emulator without the terrible performance and 2007 resolution. So take your rationalization for stealing bullshit out of here. The game was fully piratable on a Wii U day 0 btw so I am not sure why running it in an emulator has to burn so many people's asses to the point they start dropping piracy accusations.
I feel the exact same way about this.
There will be no emulation thread where this doesn't come up, right? Every. Single. Time.
I think "enabling" is a better way to put it as opposed to "supporting"
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