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[K' Dash]

Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.

 

[Peltz]

The pragmatic arguments I would make here are just that I don't really see it. If I own a Wii U and want to pirate the game, I can anyway. If I don't own a Wii U or Switch and this emulator doesn't exist, I can't buy the game anyway as I have nothing to play it on. Yes, this emulator does give people that don't own Nintendo hardware an opportunity to pirate the game, but any such download is not a lost sale. These people weren't potential customers.

Let's say you're correct, that illegal downloads are not necessarily lost sales. That still does not make it morally okay to pirate. Nintendo should have a right to forbid (yes, forbid) you from enjoying their IP without paying.

It's the same as an amusement park being able to prevent someone from trespassing on their property. If I hop a fence to ride the rides, it also may not be a lost sale. But that still isn't okay. I'm still trespassing on private property and enjoying the rides without paying. It's disrespectful, insulting, and immoral to the owner of the property (the same way you wouldn't want some trespasser in your property).

An amusement park should be allowed to forbid me from hopping the fence the same way Nintendo should be allowed to forbid you from downloading and playing their software illegally. Creating this emulator so soon after the game is released is like metaphorically putting a ladder up against the fence for certain people to climb over.

Do all the mental gymnastics you want. It's still wrong.

 

[Eolz]

The idea that people shouldn't be able to have a method of entertaining themselfs because they can't afford it even if it could be provided to them at no actual cost, is.

But i realize that trying to have an argument in this thread is pointless anyways, so that's gonna be by last post in here.

I know that's your last post, but while there should be more free legal entertainment, let's not act as if free legal entertainment doesn't exist, that piracy is the only way, and that piracy is legal (unlike emulation).

Nah, I'm under no obligation to buy old, outdated, bad, half baked hardware.

Buying the physical copy as substitution for a license + cemu works fine for me.





But if the crux of the issue is "less copies sold = less reasons to continue making those games" then Nintendo is also at fault for ignoring a market with very high demand.

Not really. As you've said, you bought a copy legally as a licence, so it's fine there.
But Nintendo ignoring the pc market is their choice, same for Sony and others, because they do more than just making and selling games. Their goal is to have people buy their hardware to play their software. Nothing wrong with that.

Someone said they'd rather play on the Wii U since that way their money would go to the creators, implying (and doubling down afterwards) that because someone played it on the emulator, their money wouldn't go to them.

Well that's a bit stupid then. But again, emulating while you have a copy legally is fine legally, and bring money to the content creator.
Doing it without is illegal and bad for the creator.

 

[EvilKatarn]

Actually... Both sides have fair point of views.. piracy is real in this type of thing and the preservation thing too... so the grey area is pretty big and everybody here knows that. The discussion is totally worth it.

I don't agree with the 'both sides' thing really.

One side wants to discuss emulation.
The other side wants to fill emulation threads with their ill-informed off topic self-aggrandizing moral high ground garbage posting. I am so tired of these people making every single thread about emulation news completely worthless to read past the OP.

 

[Bubba_Sparks]

How do they have it running so well that quickly? I figured with the newer nature of the hardware would make it very difficult.

 

[Seik]

Well, you're bypassing the part about owning a Wii U to play the game, so in effect (if you don't own a Wii U) you're playing a game that cost $50 when the price of entry and money to Nintendo should be $250+

You're not a thief, but Nintendo definitely have not earned the amount of money they should have to enable you to play their games. Hardware and software revenue are all a part of Nintendos continued existence, so bypassing one but still paying for the other may be better than bypassing both and just pirating flat out.

But my post mentions that I have a Wii U.

(I forgot to mention it so I edited my post, maybe you missed it.)

 

[shandy706]

People say that CEMU performance is largely based on single core CPU clock speed. Not sure how much having a beefy GPU will help you.

Good to know. BotW will be the first game I attempt to emulate with CEMU. Dolphin is the "latest" emulator I've actually used and I only attempted to use it with a couple games (as playing on native hardware/Wii U is easier..lol).

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Let's say you're correct, that illegal downloads are not necessarily lost sales. That still does not make it morally okay to pirate. Nintendo should have a right to forbid (yes, forbid) you from enjoying their IP without paying.

*Slams head on desk*

Nobody is arguing that it's morally OK to pirate. Come the fuck on here.

 

[jonno394]

But my post mentions that I have a Wii U.

Ah ok, didnt see that. The post is more a general post aimed at anyone saying "I've paid for the game" so not directly aimed at you, sorry

 

[Tagyhag]

While I find piracy concern complaints made in emulation threads ridiculous most of the time, I do think not owning the system itself but emulating it is piracy.

You'll probably find that 99% of people on GAF that are pro-emulation would agree with you.

If you own the game and the system and there's no other way to play it on PC, I think anyone who is concern trolling has no way to argue against that.

 

[jediyoshi]

That's comparing two different versions of CEMU. Also the fps difference could be due to other factors like how long has that explosion effect been on screen, how many enemies there are etc.

I'm going to need to see some receipts RE: people claiming that it runs better on Wii U emulator than on Switch. Is CEMU emulating the Wii U at a higher clock speed? That's the only way that they would be able to improve its performance over actual Wii U hardware.

You're comparing two different versions of Cemu, the point is two compare either to the top which is standard hardware. If you're already aware of the concept of emulators forcing different clock speeds, I'm not sure what part you're not able to reconcile anymore. In any case, what you're positing, in that it is a cycle accurate emulator, is actually more a feat than an emulator unintentionally getting better performance than real hardware.

 

[cyba89]

OK.

I have BOTW on Wii U, and a Wii U I paid for both.

I took the data from the disc I bought and put it on my PC to play in 4K.

I am a thief?

Generalization when touching the subject of emulation is very, very toxic.

Never said anything in general about emulation and I never accused anyone here being a thief.

Just reacting to the comment that everyone should be able to enjoy everything for free because the are "methods" to get it for free.

The idea that people shouldn't be able to have a method of entertaining themselfs because they can't afford it even if it could be provided to them at no actual cost, is.

Just to be clear: With "could be provided to them at no additionial cost" you mean piracy right?

 

[RoadHazard]

"People who dont work* dont deserve the same things as people who do work*" is pretty elitist, not to mention ableist

*work, of course, being defined by whatever a capitalist is willing to employ us to do, rather than defined by any sort of common good

Everyone should get Ferraris and huge mansions, yes? Otherwise you're saying I don't deserve the same things as people who make more money than me. Where do you draw your arbitrary line below which everything should be free? Video games aren't a human right, they're a luxury.

 

[badcrumble]

Well, you're bypassing the part about owning a Wii U to play the game, so in effect (if you don't own a Wii U) you're playing a game that cost $50 when the price of entry and money to Nintendo should be $250+

You're not a thief, but Nintendo definitely have not earned the amount of money they should have to enable you to play their games. Hardware and software revenue are all a part of Nintendos continued existence, so bypassing one but still paying for the other may be better than bypassing both and just pirating flat out.

This is also why nobody should buy used games or hardware.

 

[rjc571]

Translation: "I have no idea how emulation works".

Emulation works by doing what the original machine is doing, at least in its early stages. I admit I haven't followed CEMU's development that closely but I was under the impression that it was still fairly early. If they've already advanced to the point that they can run the Wii U at a higher clock rate to improve performance without introducing timing issues, then great!

No it isn't. The top image is from Wii U. The bottom images are from CEMU

Is there a video comparing the two? A single frame grab tells us nothing.

 

[Sectorseven]

Ah, ok. Why do some emulators though? Isn't that some sort of legality thing ("bring your own BIOS and it's ok"). And if so, why doesn't CEMU? Just curious here.

I think it's just a matter of writing your own BIOS from scratch, which is a considerable amount of work.

 

[Dario ff]

Ah, ok. Why do some emulators though? Isn't that some sort of legality thing ("bring your own BIOS and it's ok"). And if so, why doesn't CEMU? Just curious here.

It's just heavily dependent on the platform and how the software works. Some platforms like the PS3 use dynamic libraries that the games use (which is why RPCS3 needs a firmware dump from either Sony or the console) while others have them directly built into the game binary.

There's some exception on cases like older DSP LLE support on Dolphin, which required a certain component to be dumped from a real system. (which has now been made almost void by a free version distributed by Dolphin)

BIOS are a similar deal and are sometimes required for emulation or not depending on the platform. (I'm not very familiar with emulating platforms that rely on a BIOS dump so you'd have to look at the inner workings of that for a better explanation)

 

[Trojita]

I have BOTW on Wii U, and a Wii U, I paid for both.

I took the data from the disc I bought and put it on my PC to play in 4K.

I am a thief?

Generalization when touching the subject of emulation is very, very toxic. People need to stop this.

But my post mentions that I have a Wii U.

(I forgot to mention it so I edited my post, maybe you missed it.)

King Solomon: ehhhhhh, I'll allow it.

 

[Seik]

Let's say you're correct, that illegal downloads are not necessarily lost sales. That still does not make it morally okay to pirate. Nintendo should have a right to forbid (yes, forbid) you from enjoying their IP without paying.

It's the same as an amusement park being able to prevent someone from trespassing on their property. If I hop a fence to ride the rides, it also may not be a lost sale. But that still isn't okay. I'm still trespassing on private property and enjoying the rides without paying. It's disrespectful, insulting, and immoral to the owner of the property (the same way you wouldn't want some trespasser in your property).

An amusement park should be allowed to forbid me from hopping the fence the same way Nintendo should be allowed to forbid you from downloading and playing their software illegally. Creating this emulator so soon after the game is released is like metaphorically putting a ladder up against the fence for certain people to climb over.

Do all the mental gymnastics you want. It's still wrong.

I'm sorry man, but you're doing some heavy gymnastic as well because you're stuck on Emulation = Piracy.

Why can't you understand that many already have the hardware and software and just emulate to achieve a 10X better IQ?

Never said anything in general about emulation and I never accused anyone here being a thief.

Just reacting to the comment that everyone should be able to enjoy everything for free because the are "methods" to get it for free.

Yeah, I noticed after posting, sorry for misunderstanding your post at first.

 

[NOLA_Gaffer]

Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.

Man you trying to bring down the whole website? The amount of downright indignance would be enough alone.

 

[papercan55]

Wait, does that mean people can play this on PC right now without paying for the game?
Does EVERYONE have access to this emulator? Can any PC player download the emulator to play Wii U version of Breath of the Wild right now?

I am new to the whole emulator topics and I am asking very honestly and seriously, please explain it to me, how does CEMU work?

Yes, people can play this for free on a pc without paying for the game.
Yes, everyone has access to this emulator
Yes, any PC player can play wii u breath of the wild right now.

But you must pay for a copy of the game and own a wii u, otherwise it's pirating.
So i'd strongly advise you to go out and purchase both before downloading the emulator and playing the game on your pc.

Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.

Someone asked why there wasn't an emulator to preserve bloodborne at a better framerate earlier in the thread and now this.....
Not sure how to respond....i guess it's just not a priority for emulator creators, nintendo hardware first...
ps4 down the line when it's time to preserve those games i guess.

 

[gafneo]

Would not be worth playing this game emulated unless you are testing Wiiu emulation. Imagine doing a run and you are 100 shrines in and Data corrupts. Also there are motion puzzles. Try emulating that on a Steam controller. They need to get the Wiiu game pad working efficiantly on pcs. That thing would be so useful for apps.

 

[AndersK]

Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.

You'd have different corporate sycophants arguing their 'concern'. The rest of us (Ps4 pro owner here) would be happy. It'd prolly rum better.

 

[SpiceMelange]

The sheer amount of patience that you're showing here is mind blogging and quite unprecedented from GAF's moderation.

Although I dont understand why so many warnings. In an non-emulation topic this would have been considered as a user pushing his agenda for system/company X and would have been handed a ban. Here we're all chatty (which in turn helps derailing, much like this reply, sorry). I'm not asking for reasoning or doubting the moderation, just striked me as odd.

Back on topic, this thread is OK for the fun of seeing a major site acknowledging emulation work, but its nothing new, it's been happening more and more since CEMU guys are getting REAL money.



Interesting. Is NeoGAF a global forum hosted in the US or is it a US forum? Does it even matter legally?

I'm not sure how it matters legally. I'm not a law expert or anything lol. Just trying to point out (as far as I'm understanding it) that playing personal backups is not necessarily a legal thing (and also that if true gaf have a double standard)

 

[jrcbandit]

I haven't used CEMU yet, but I have a moral question. I own the Switch version of BotW, not the Wii U one. If I borrowed my friend's Wii U version to rip and play on my PC, is that "piracy"? Is it "wrong" for me to want to play the game I own on my PC from an alternate platform?

Yes, that's pure piracy and wrong no matter what angle you try to look at it. It's only morally justifiable when you own the game on the actual platform you are emulating. Otherwise, you can use that logic to pirate every PC game if you own the console version...

 

[shandy706]

This may be lost in the sea of "people not actually discussing the emulator", but is there any kind of CPU performance chart for CEMU out there?

Is a 2500k good, does an i7 (any type) get you better performance in CEMU, etc?

 

[hodgy100]

Ah, ok. Why do some emulators though? Isn't that some sort of legality thing ("bring your own BIOS and it's ok"). And if so, why doesn't CEMU? Just curious here.

Some console security will requires specific code or data that is contained within the bios and duplicating that functionality would be breaking the law due to distributing trademarked code / data . the WiiU likely doesnt require such a check, or there is a work around

No idea what the hell my avatar has to do with anything. What "good fight"? I've been almost exclusively a PS3/4 gamer since my Wii started collecting dust many years ago. The Wii U I completely skipped, and I only now got back on the Nintendo train because of BotW. Buuuuuut I guess if you have a Mii avatar (even one that's supposed to look a bit like a Helghast) you have to be part of the Nintendo Army.

I'm sorry. I shouldnt have jumped to conclusions.

 

[Vuze]

Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.

Probably the same, just more trash posts in general and with more Nathan Drake and Aloy

This is also why nobody should buy used games or hardware.

Haha, good point. Now people who buy used games and hardware are also pirates!

 

[Kuro]

Well, you're bypassing the part about owning a Wii U to play the game, so in effect (if you don't own a Wii U) you're playing a game that cost $50 when the price of entry and money to Nintendo should be $250+

You're not a thief, but Nintendo definitely have not earned the amount of money they should have to enable you to play their games. Hardware and software revenue are all a part of Nintendos continued existence, so bypassing one but still paying for the other may be better than bypassing both and just pirating flat out.

You're being ridiculous. He just said he owns the game and the console. Nintendo loses absolutely nothing from him emulating on PC.

 

[jonno394]

You're being ridiculous. He just said he owns the game and the console. Nintendo loses absolutely nothing from him emulating on PC.

As said, I missed that part, and the comment is more of a general one aimed at people saying "i've paid for the game".

 

[Hakkelus]

How does this work in an optical situatiion?

Install cemu, insert switch game dvd and launch the game?

 

[MUnited83]

Well, you're bypassing the part about owning a Wii U to play the game, so in effect (if you don't own a Wii U) you're playing a game that cost $50 when the price of entry and money to Nintendo should be $250+

You're not a thief, but Nintendo definitely have not earned the amount of money they should have to enable you to play their games. Hardware and software revenue are all a part of Nintendos continued existence, so bypassing one but still paying for the other may be better than bypassing both and just pirating flat out.

You don't need to own a Wii U to use CEMU, you just need use a Wii U to dump your games. It doesn't have to be yours. I bought Bayonetta 2, MK8 and 3D World on Wii U without ever buying a Wii U, and before emulation was a thing. I just played them at a friend's house use their Wii U to dump the games when CEMU started having great improvements.

Even easier is to make a Eshop account in a friend's Wii U and buy the games there. By doing that, you can legally use certain tools to directly download the game files from Nintendo servers to your PC directly, you don't even need to wait for the dumps or even touch a Wii U after having completed the purchase.

I haven't used CEMU yet, but I have a moral question. I own the Switch version of BotW, not the Wii U one. If I borrowed my friend's Wii U version to rip and play on my PC, is that "piracy"? Is it "wrong" for me to want to play the game I own on my PC from an alternate platform?

It's not piracy, as you don't actually need any of the internal console files, you just need to use it to dump the games. Ownership of a Wii U is not necessary.

 

[LordOcidax]

Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.

 

[Trojita]

You'll probably find that 99% of people on GAF that are pro-emulation would agree with you.

If you own the game and the system and there's no other way to play it on PC, I think anyone who is concern trolling has no way to argue against that.

And even I'll admit I see some leeway on if it is something like say a NeoGeo or an Arcade Cabinet in question.

The common etiquette here is we give the benefit of the doubt on emulation matters. So if you don't own the system, don't mention it. Especially don't grandstand that you aren't pirating.

 

[Zurick]

I realize this is a shocker, but...

and I prefer to play it on CEMU for so many reasons, not limited to...

I can use the controller of my choice (I prefer a ps4 controller)
I can play it on my 4k TV with the proper fidelity
I can play it on my monitor, with the proper fidelity

I have no problem supporting Nintendo. I'm not going to be forced to play it their way. I have no interest in hopping in a fucking time machine every time I want to play a Nintendo product.

BOTW is a Pixelated Mess on your 55" TV. That's not up for dispute. That's a fucking fact, unlike http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1348006&highlight=horizon


Breath of the Wild, runs like SHIT in Docked Mode. My hands are NOT comfortable playing in Handheld mode. Why the fuck should I suffer for something I just spent over $400 on because you don't feel I should play it the way I want, JUST IN CASE, others don't pay for it.

I think BOTW is an amazing game, and it's a shame that Nintendo did it a disservice with their hardware.

Edit: This "too soon" argument is ridiculous beyond ridiculous. Why should I have to wait so you can have your feels good moment that will never EVER impact you?

 

[Mega]

Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.

Why an experiment? It absolutely should happen. It'll be pricey but I'd love to just upgrade my PC (it's due for that), pick up a copy of GoW and not have to buy a PS4 Pro. Then I could run the game at 4K/60fps which the Pro absolutely will not. Better output than the constrained original hardware. We need more projects like this. Everybody wins in the end.

 

[Soul of the Beast]

Yes, you can potentially pirate the WiiU Version on PC, like you can potentially pirate most of the games released on the PC too. -And I hope you're not asking for download links cause that would cross the line.

Wait what? Let me get this straight.
We are not supposed to accuse this thing as any form of pirating but asking for download links isn't ok?
So is it piracy or not?
I don't think I get it.
''It's not piracy, but don't ask for a link!'' That doesn't make any sense to me.
It there's even a link, it means the game is basically accessible to everyone, is it not?

[Update]

I just googled ''CEMU Breath of the Wild download'' and I am surprised how easy it is to download this thing. You can simply just click on it and boom, you have it.
As far as I know, it's completely free too.

I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.

I get it, games needs to be preserved. I agree 100%
but emulator like this shouldn't be available to anyone other than the devs themselves, at least not until years or even decades later.

 

[TheRed]

Some people in this thread acting like downloading CEMU provides you with a free version of BotW. Yes there will be pirates but there's always pirates and pirates can be playing the game for free already on a Wii u. Do you cry every time a new game comes out that there's pirates out there playing the game you bought for free? It's a futile thing to cry about, there will always be scum not willing to pay for a great game.

I look forward to playing this on CEMU legally with a Wii U copy when they have it working better. It'll provide the performance and resolution I want while I still buy the game.

^is that subreddit created/promoted by people involved in developing CEMU? If not, there's always people trying to pirate things.

 

[jonno394]

You don't need to own a Wii U to use CEMU, you just need use a Wii U to dump your games. It doesn't have to be yours. I bought Bayonetta 2, MK8 and 3D World on Wii U without ever buying a Wii U, and before emulation was a thing. I just played them at a friend's house use their Wii U to dump the games when CEMU started having great improvements.

Even easier is to make a Eshop account in a friend's Wii U and buy the games there. By doing that, you can legally use certain tools to directly download the game files from Nintendo servers to your PC directly, you don't even need to wait for the dumps or even touch a Wii U after having completed the purchase.

Yes, we know that. I was commenting on the fact that if you don't own your own Wii U then you are bypassing a price of entry revenue stream that Nintendo relies on as a hardware manufacturer, so people saying "i've paid for Zelda" haven't really paid the full price Nintendo expects (deserves?) if they don't own the console.

 

[Peter Ian Staker]

Why does every Nintendo-centric emulation thread turn to shit faster than usual?

 

[Seik]

How does this work in an optical situatiion?

Install cemu, insert switch game dvd and launch the game?

Nope, Wii U has specific type of Blu-Ray discs that all drives except the U's won't read.

You need to homebrew your console and rip the discs from the console to your PC via a software you need to install on your Wii U called DDD. Then using an IP based software on your PC called Titledumper and make you PC and Wii U communicate via IP to extract the data from the disc. A game like BOTW will take 4-5 hours to rip.

There are other methods, but that's the one I'm using.

 

[Tertullian]

Man, this thread is a dumpster fire. Thank God for CEMU. I'd love to burn my copy of BotW Wii U and play it using CEMU some day. How difficult is it to figure all that out? And what kind of specs am I looking at to get good performance?

 

[Trojita]

Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.

An emulator like that would have to be a technical wonder.

You'd see 2fps max if bootable.

 

[Instro]

Hopefully they'll get it all ironed out. I wonder how well it can be emulated due to all the different systems and interactions that could cause glitches.

 

[shandy706]

Wait what? Let me get this straight, we are not supposed to accuse this thing as any form of pirating but asking for download link isn't ok? So is it piracy or not?

''It's not piracy, but don't ask for a link!'' That doesn't make any sense to me.
It there's even a link, it means the game is basically accessible to everyone, is it not?

I just googled ''cemu botw download'' and realized you can download this thing very easily. As far as I know, it's free too.

I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.

I get it, games needs to be preserved. I agree 100%
but emulator like this shouldn't be available to anyone other than the devs themselves.

CEMU doesn't come with any games, lol.

You really are confused. If a gas station says "free gas today" and you go get a gallon, it doesn't come with a stolen car. Now yes, you could go steal a car and put your free gas in it to run it, but that makes you a thief. If I have a car or buy one, I can combine those two not stolen items to get things running.

Yes...my analogy is silly...but maybe you'll wrap your head around that X-D

 

[Trojita]

Wait what? Let me get this straight, we are not supposed to accuse this thing as any form of pirating but asking for download link isn't ok? So is it piracy or not?

''It's not piracy, but don't ask for a link!'' That doesn't make any sense to me.
It there's even a link, it means the game is basically accessible to everyone, is it not?

I just googled ''cemu botw download'' and realized you can download this thing very easily. As far as I know, it's free too.

I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.

I get it, games needs to be preserved. I agree 100%
but emulator like this shouldn't be available to anyone other than the devs themselves.

He's telling you a fact with a disclaimer to not get yourself banned.

Anyone can make a subreddit.

 

[Costia]

Wait what? Let me get this straight, we are not supposed to accuse this thing as any form of pirating but asking for download link isn't ok? So is it piracy or not?

''It's not piracy, but don't ask for a link!'' That doesn't make any sense to me.
It there's even a link, it means the game is basically accessible to everyone, is it not?

I just googled ''cemu botw download'' and realized you can download this thing very easily. As far as I know, it's free too.

There's even a sub-Reddit called ''Cemu Piracy'', what in the hell is this!?


What?!

I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.

I get it, games needs to be preserved. I agree 100%
but emulator like this shouldn't be available to anyone other than the devs themselves.

Cemu isn't piracy the same way a video or a music player (both software, like an app,and hw like an ipod) isn't piracy.
If you own a license for the content, you are free to use it on any device you like, even A PC, even if the content creator doesn't like it.

 

[MUnited83]

Yes, we know that. I was commenting on the fact that if you don't own your own Wii U then you are bypassing a price of entry revenue stream that Nintendo relies on as a hardware manufacturer, so people saying "i've paid for Zelda" haven't really paid the full price Nintendo expects (deserves?) if they don't own the console.

I didn't pay the "full price Nintendo deserves" by playing the games I bought on my friend's Wii U either, but i don't think anyone would say that that is immoral.

 

[LordOcidax]

An emulator like that would have to be a technical wonder.

You'd see 2fps max if bootable.

Xbox One is running 360 games via emulation pretty well... so... Anything is possible.

 

[Jebusman]

I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.

????

Piracy means getting the game without paying (the license holder or licensed distributor) money for it.

If you buy a copy of BotW from like GameStop or Walmart or something, and then run it in CEMU, then it's not piracy.

That's not confusing in the least bit.