The pragmatic arguments I would make here are just that I don't really see it. If I own a Wii U and want to pirate the game, I can anyway. If I don't own a Wii U or Switch and this emulator doesn't exist, I can't buy the game anyway as I have nothing to play it on. Yes, this emulator does give people that don't own Nintendo hardware an opportunity to pirate the game, but any such download is not a lost sale. These people weren't potential customers.
The idea that people shouldn't be able to have a method of entertaining themselfs because they can't afford it even if it could be provided to them at no actual cost, is.
But i realize that trying to have an argument in this thread is pointless anyways, so that's gonna be by last post in here.
Nah, I'm under no obligation to buy old, outdated, bad, half baked hardware.
Buying the physical copy as substitution for a license + cemu works fine for me.
But if the crux of the issue is "less copies sold = less reasons to continue making those games" then Nintendo is also at fault for ignoring a market with very high demand.
Someone said they'd rather play on the Wii U since that way their money would go to the creators, implying (and doubling down afterwards) that because someone played it on the emulator, their money wouldn't go to them.
I don't agree with the 'both sides' thing really.Actually... Both sides have fair point of views.. piracy is real in this type of thing and the preservation thing too... so the grey area is pretty big and everybody here knows that. The discussion is totally worth it.
Well, you're bypassing the part about owning a Wii U to play the game, so in effect (if you don't own a Wii U) you're playing a game that cost $50 when the price of entry and money to Nintendo should be $250+
You're not a thief, but Nintendo definitely have not earned the amount of money they should have to enable you to play their games. Hardware and software revenue are all a part of Nintendos continued existence, so bypassing one but still paying for the other may be better than bypassing both and just pirating flat out.
People say that CEMU performance is largely based on single core CPU clock speed. Not sure how much having a beefy GPU will help you.
Let's say you're correct, that illegal downloads are not necessarily lost sales. That still does not make it morally okay to pirate. Nintendo should have a right to forbid (yes, forbid) you from enjoying their IP without paying.
But my post mentions that I have a Wii U.
While I find piracy concern complaints made in emulation threads ridiculous most of the time, I do think not owning the system itself but emulating it is piracy.
That's comparing two different versions of CEMU. Also the fps difference could be due to other factors like how long has that explosion effect been on screen, how many enemies there are etc.
I'm going to need to see some receipts RE: people claiming that it runs better on Wii U emulator than on Switch. Is CEMU emulating the Wii U at a higher clock speed? That's the only way that they would be able to improve its performance over actual Wii U hardware.
OK.
I have BOTW on Wii U, and a Wii U I paid for both.
I took the data from the disc I bought and put it on my PC to play in 4K.
I am a thief?
Generalization when touching the subject of emulation is very, very toxic.
The idea that people shouldn't be able to have a method of entertaining themselfs because they can't afford it even if it could be provided to them at no actual cost, is.
"People who dont work* dont deserve the same things as people who do work*" is pretty elitist, not to mention ableist
*work, of course, being defined by whatever a capitalist is willing to employ us to do, rather than defined by any sort of common good
This is also why nobody should buy used games or hardware.Well, you're bypassing the part about owning a Wii U to play the game, so in effect (if you don't own a Wii U) you're playing a game that cost $50 when the price of entry and money to Nintendo should be $250+
You're not a thief, but Nintendo definitely have not earned the amount of money they should have to enable you to play their games. Hardware and software revenue are all a part of Nintendos continued existence, so bypassing one but still paying for the other may be better than bypassing both and just pirating flat out.
Emulation works by doing what the original machine is doing, at least in its early stages. I admit I haven't followed CEMU's development that closely but I was under the impression that it was still fairly early. If they've already advanced to the point that they can run the Wii U at a higher clock rate to improve performance without introducing timing issues, then great!Translation: "I have no idea how emulation works".
No it isn't. The top image is from Wii U. The bottom images are from CEMU
Ah, ok. Why do some emulators though? Isn't that some sort of legality thing ("bring your own BIOS and it's ok"). And if so, why doesn't CEMU? Just curious here.
It's just heavily dependent on the platform and how the software works. Some platforms like the PS3 use dynamic libraries that the games use (which is why RPCS3 needs a firmware dump from either Sony or the console) while others have them directly built into the game binary.Ah, ok. Why do some emulators though? Isn't that some sort of legality thing ("bring your own BIOS and it's ok"). And if so, why doesn't CEMU? Just curious here.
I have BOTW on Wii U, and a Wii U, I paid for both.
I took the data from the disc I bought and put it on my PC to play in 4K.
I am a thief?
Generalization when touching the subject of emulation is very, very toxic. People need to stop this.
But my post mentions that I have a Wii U.
(I forgot to mention it so I edited my post, maybe you missed it.)
Let's say you're correct, that illegal downloads are not necessarily lost sales. That still does not make it morally okay to pirate. Nintendo should have a right to forbid (yes, forbid) you from enjoying their IP without paying.
It's the same as an amusement park being able to prevent someone from trespassing on their property. If I hop a fence to ride the rides, it also may not be a lost sale. But that still isn't okay. I'm still trespassing on private property and enjoying the rides without paying. It's disrespectful, insulting, and immoral to the owner of the property (the same way you wouldn't want some trespasser in your property).
An amusement park should be allowed to forbid me from hopping the fence the same way Nintendo should be allowed to forbid you from downloading and playing their software illegally. Creating this emulator so soon after the game is released is like metaphorically putting a ladder up against the fence for certain people to climb over.
Do all the mental gymnastics you want. It's still wrong.
Never said anything in general about emulation and I never accused anyone here being a thief.
Just reacting to the comment that everyone should be able to enjoy everything for free because the are "methods" to get it for free.
Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.
Wait, does that mean people can play this on PC right now without paying for the game?
Does EVERYONE have access to this emulator? Can any PC player download the emulator to play Wii U version of Breath of the Wild right now?
I am new to the whole emulator topics and I am asking very honestly and seriously, please explain it to me, how does CEMU work?
Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.
Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.
The sheer amount of patience that you're showing here is mind blogging and quite unprecedented from GAF's moderation.
Although I dont understand why so many warnings. In an non-emulation topic this would have been considered as a user pushing his agenda for system/company X and would have been handed a ban. Here we're all chatty (which in turn helps derailing, much like this reply, sorry). I'm not asking for reasoning or doubting the moderation, just striked me as odd.
Back on topic, this thread is OK for the fun of seeing a major site acknowledging emulation work, but its nothing new, it's been happening more and more since CEMU guys are getting REAL money.
Interesting. Is NeoGAF a global forum hosted in the US or is it a US forum? Does it even matter legally?
Yes, that's pure piracy and wrong no matter what angle you try to look at it. It's only morally justifiable when you own the game on the actual platform you are emulating. Otherwise, you can use that logic to pirate every PC game if you own the console version...I haven't used CEMU yet, but I have a moral question. I own the Switch version of BotW, not the Wii U one. If I borrowed my friend's Wii U version to rip and play on my PC, is that "piracy"? Is it "wrong" for me to want to play the game I own on my PC from an alternate platform?
Ah, ok. Why do some emulators though? Isn't that some sort of legality thing ("bring your own BIOS and it's ok"). And if so, why doesn't CEMU? Just curious here.
No idea what the hell my avatar has to do with anything. What "good fight"? I've been almost exclusively a PS3/4 gamer since my Wii started collecting dust many years ago. The Wii U I completely skipped, and I only now got back on the Nintendo train because of BotW. Buuuuuut I guess if you have a Mii avatar (even one that's supposed to look a bit like a Helghast) you have to be part of the Nintendo Army.
Probably the same, just more trash posts in general and with more Nathan Drake and AloyJust as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.
Haha, good point. Now people who buy used games and hardware are also pirates!This is also why nobody should buy used games or hardware.
You're being ridiculous. He just said he owns the game and the console. Nintendo loses absolutely nothing from him emulating on PC.Well, you're bypassing the part about owning a Wii U to play the game, so in effect (if you don't own a Wii U) you're playing a game that cost $50 when the price of entry and money to Nintendo should be $250+
You're not a thief, but Nintendo definitely have not earned the amount of money they should have to enable you to play their games. Hardware and software revenue are all a part of Nintendos continued existence, so bypassing one but still paying for the other may be better than bypassing both and just pirating flat out.
You're being ridiculous. He just said he owns the game and the console. Nintendo loses absolutely nothing from him emulating on PC.
You don't need to own a Wii U to use CEMU, you just need use a Wii U to dump your games. It doesn't have to be yours. I bought Bayonetta 2, MK8 and 3D World on Wii U without ever buying a Wii U, and before emulation was a thing. I just played them at a friend's house use their Wii U to dump the games when CEMU started having great improvements.Well, you're bypassing the part about owning a Wii U to play the game, so in effect (if you don't own a Wii U) you're playing a game that cost $50 when the price of entry and money to Nintendo should be $250+
You're not a thief, but Nintendo definitely have not earned the amount of money they should have to enable you to play their games. Hardware and software revenue are all a part of Nintendos continued existence, so bypassing one but still paying for the other may be better than bypassing both and just pirating flat out.
It's not piracy, as you don't actually need any of the internal console files, you just need to use it to dump the games. Ownership of a Wii U is not necessary.I haven't used CEMU yet, but I have a moral question. I own the Switch version of BotW, not the Wii U one. If I borrowed my friend's Wii U version to rip and play on my PC, is that "piracy"? Is it "wrong" for me to want to play the game I own on my PC from an alternate platform?
Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.
You'll probably find that 99% of people on GAF that are pro-emulation would agree with you.
If you own the game and the system and there's no other way to play it on PC, I think anyone who is concern trolling has no way to argue against that.
Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.
Yes, you can potentially pirate the WiiU Version on PC, like you can potentially pirate most of the games released on the PC too. -And I hope you're not asking for download links cause that would cross the line.
You don't need to own a Wii U to use CEMU, you just need use a Wii U to dump your games. It doesn't have to be yours. I bought Bayonetta 2, MK8 and 3D World on Wii U without ever buying a Wii U, and before emulation was a thing. I just played them at a friend's house use their Wii U to dump the games when CEMU started having great improvements.
Even easier is to make a Eshop account in a friend's Wii U and buy the games there. By doing that, you can legally use certain tools to directly download the game files from Nintendo servers to your PC directly, you don't even need to wait for the dumps or even touch a Wii U after having completed the purchase.
How does this work in an optical situatiion?
Install cemu, insert switch game dvd and launch the game?
Just as an experiment, I would like to see a PS4 emulator running the New God of War as soon as it was out to see the reaction here.
Wait what? Let me get this straight, we are not supposed to accuse this thing as any form of pirating but asking for download link isn't ok? So is it piracy or not?
''It's not piracy, but don't ask for a link!'' That doesn't make any sense to me.
It there's even a link, it means the game is basically accessible to everyone, is it not?
I just googled ''cemu botw download'' and realized you can download this thing very easily. As far as I know, it's free too.
I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.
I get it, games needs to be preserved. I agree 100%
but emulator like this shouldn't be available to anyone other than the devs themselves.
Wait what? Let me get this straight, we are not supposed to accuse this thing as any form of pirating but asking for download link isn't ok? So is it piracy or not?
''It's not piracy, but don't ask for a link!'' That doesn't make any sense to me.
It there's even a link, it means the game is basically accessible to everyone, is it not?
I just googled ''cemu botw download'' and realized you can download this thing very easily. As far as I know, it's free too.
I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.
I get it, games needs to be preserved. I agree 100%
but emulator like this shouldn't be available to anyone other than the devs themselves.
Cemu isn't piracy the same way a video or a music player (both software, like an app,and hw like an ipod) isn't piracy.Wait what? Let me get this straight, we are not supposed to accuse this thing as any form of pirating but asking for download link isn't ok? So is it piracy or not?
''It's not piracy, but don't ask for a link!'' That doesn't make any sense to me.
It there's even a link, it means the game is basically accessible to everyone, is it not?
I just googled ''cemu botw download'' and realized you can download this thing very easily. As far as I know, it's free too.
There's even a sub-Reddit called ''Cemu Piracy'', what in the hell is this!?
What?!
I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.
I get it, games needs to be preserved. I agree 100%
but emulator like this shouldn't be available to anyone other than the devs themselves.
I didn't pay the "full price Nintendo deserves" by playing the games I bought on my friend's Wii U either, but i don't think anyone would say that that is immoral.Yes, we know that. I was commenting on the fact that if you don't own your own Wii U then you are bypassing a price of entry revenue stream that Nintendo relies on as a hardware manufacturer, so people saying "i've paid for Zelda" haven't really paid the full price Nintendo expects (deserves?) if they don't own the console.
Xbox One is running 360 games via emulation pretty well... so... Anything is possible.An emulator like that would have to be a technical wonder.
You'd see 2fps max if bootable.
I am so confused, please someone explain to me how exactly does CEMU work and why it's not piracy at all.