the man is 27 years old
at some point in our lives, we start to choose the kind of person we want to be. it's not his friend's fault that he's a white nationalist piece of shit
True, this is his own fault and he has to own up to it. His ideas are not only stupid, they are flat out damaging.
This was not him just barfing out words. He doubled down on some of these ideas in his explanation video, and he has a long history before this of having abhorrent ideas.
Dude went on Breitbart and gave an interview about "fake media". He's a grown god damn man and knows what he's doing. No excuses. None. Fuck JonTron.
I was not saying he didn't know what he was doing, I am saying he had ideas that should be corrected.
Dude. I am trying to have a conversation here, do you think I agree with him? I don't, he said stuff that makes me cringe and feel ashamed to like his entertainment content. I am saying he, as anyone who has racist, bigot ideas, should be helped by the people that care about them to help them understand those ideas are backwards and wrong.
What is your goal here?
Firs you say the community shouldnt ostracize him and educate him...and when they do offer to educate him and help him....he doubles down on vommiting garbage all over the stream and then again in his "Apology" video.
So now you're saying we should still give him the benefit of the doubt because he wasn't propperly prepped to defend himself? what is there to defend....he said exactly what he believed and there's nothing else he could have said in any different way to make it sound any less terrible.
While I agree with what he said is terrible and horrifying and inexcusable, I would argue that an "internet debate" is hardly how you educate and help someone. Its hard to make a person realize they are wrong and its even harder to do it by attempting to expose their terrible views in front of a microphone.
I admit I made a mistake by saying he deserves a second chance, since he has fucked up several times. What I meant with that was that regardless of how many chances you give someone, good people should always strive to reform the views of their friends, no matter how frustratring or dull. Of course cutting contact from them would be far easier, specially if they don't want help, but I am naive enough to believe that everyone can change for the better.
JonTron has had several outbursts already.
His friends already reached to him several times.
He even had a debate with someone that had rational arguments.
Guess what, none of that cured JonTron. He's still an asshole.
He is an asshole for sure.
I just don't think hate and punishment is the way to reform someones views. In my eyes someone who has warped ideas can be changed for the better if given enough time and attention. Even society as a whole has become gradually more accepting, even now tht we have all this views and racial problems coming out to the surface. At least now that they are there, vulnerable, we can talk about them.
Its a huge shock when I realize a friend has homophobic and racist views, hell, I HAVE lost friendships over people who I couldn't help, but I was also able to win over a very big chunk of them. It took time and it took dedication and, over all, it took been honest as fuck. We are all people and we can talk to each other, even when it seems impossible.
