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United Airlines violently drags a doctor off a plane so employee could take his seat

Why do you fly United?


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Audioboxer

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Overbooking isn't entirely the problem in this case, though. He wasn't denied boarding, he already boarded the aircraft. I can understand not allowing people onto an aircraft, but I see nothing that implies overbooking can mandate passage to be retroactively revoked after boarding has occurred.

United failed in managing their staff (the 4 employees being crammed in after the fact). They failed in properly managing an overbooked flight. They failed in incentivizing volunteers. They crossed the line by insisting a man be physically removed after he had been allowed to board.

Yeah, that's been debated for pages and probably no point in covering it all again. In regards to the employees is there any confirmation on whether they missed some other flight? If it was known to UA that employees would be using this flight for a connection, then technically they'll probably get by saying this is overbooking as those 4 seats were "reserved" and then sold to passengers in the hope other people dropped off the flight. Ultimately no one did and the Airline is rolling out the clause of "pilots/cabin crew are ranked higher than travellers so 4 people need to go".

The OP of this topic actually says

Passengers were told at the gate that the flight was overbooked and United, offering $400 and a hotel stay, was looking for one volunteer to take another flight to Louisville at 3 p.m. Monday. Passengers were allowed to board the flight, Bridges said, and once the flight was filled those on the plane were told that four people needed to give up their seats to stand-by United employees that needed to be in Louisville on Monday for a flight. Passengers were told that the flight would not take off until the United crew had seats, Bridges said, and the offer was increased to $800, but no one volunteered.

Although that seems to be coming from a traveller

Bridges, a Louisville resident, gave her account of the flight Sunday night

However, still cue pages of debate as to whether any passengers should have been allowed on the plane even in the light of them being told at the gate the plane was overbooked. Most airlines sort it fully at the gate, before anyone even steps inside the cabin.

I didn't notice any quotes from doc himself so they must have just tracked up his name and background. Literally family of doctors.

That's why the DailyMail can get to fuck.
 
United "Not enough seating so it's time for a beating" Airlines

United "We overbooked so your goose is cooked" Airlines

United "Eeny Meeny Miny Mo, a passenger has gotta go" Airlines

United "Not first class? We'll kick your ass" Airlines
 
You should probably be proactive in getting that done. Band together with your coworkers and petition against United to your bosses.

Ironically, I first heard about this sitting on a United flight. When I landed, I emailed my HR rep about us having more airline options. Unfortunately, we use a 3rd party company that has a signed deal with United, Delta, and Frontier. We almost never get to use Delta because it's listed as "out of company policy". It's BS.
 

Elandyll

Banned
Everyone already has an incentive to take the bid instead of waiting - someone else might take the offer if you don't.

This is not a difficult problem to solve. You do rounds of bidding and asking for volunteers, and then when you have enough volunteers you pay everyone the amount that the bidding eventually reached regardless of when they volunteered. Everyone has a reason to volunteer as soon as the price reaches an amount they'd be happy with because volunteering just guarantees them a slot at the eventual price.

This really only fails if there's a massive conspiracy where the passengers have decided to hold out for a ridiculous amount of money which they then split. But what you're suggesting doesn't solve that either.
2 elements that make it fail are greed mixed with complacency (being bothered by disembarquing and having to possibly deal with already checked luggages).

Mixing in the lottery and being barred from further offers on refusal with an increasing bid accentuates the push to accept, and would probably make that kind of increasing bid system more realistic/ pallatable for airlines, which is where I'm coming from.
 

HeelPower

Member
Things like this show us how quickly society could break down.

I mean this wasn't a state of war,famine or an apocalyptic situation ,and they acted like this.
 

trixx

Member
Absolutely terrible. In addition, why are people just sitting there recording and making the occasional sounds. Sometimes you have to take a stand, come-on what the hell
 

sazzy

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Squalor

Junior Member
Ironically, I first heard about this sitting on a United flight. When I landed, I emailed my HR rep about us having more airline options. Unfortunately, we use a 3rd party company that has a signed deal with United, Delta, and Frontier. We almost never get to use Delta because it's listed as "out of company policy". It's BS.
And no one should have to suffer through a Frontier flight.
 

marrec

Banned
So? Does that give the airline crew the right to manhandle him?

You obviously didn't read my other post where I was wishing that this dude would be able to maintain privacy through all this and bemoaning the typical internet reaction of attempting to deify victims (or whatever the internet is rallying around) which inevitably leads to a rubberband backlash.

Clearly whatever past he has (and the posted article is not a conviction) has no bearing on whether he should have his head slammed into an armrest as he's dragged off a plane.

Just like him being a doctor has no bearing on it.
 

AkumaNiko

Member
You obviously didn't read my other post where I was wishing that this dude would be able to maintain privacy through all this and bemoaning the typical internet reaction of attempting to deify victims (or whatever the internet is rallying around) which inevitably leads to a rubberband backlash.

Yep, thats exactly the case, my bad
 

ElFly

Member
overbooking is fine; we all want cheaper prices in flights. making overbooking illegal would be a huge overreaction

problem here was the compensation protocol and _maybe_ the cap for involuntary bumps
 

Squalor

Junior Member
How so? Saw his name on that other link and googled it. I'm on his side until I saw this.
Translation: "I didn't want to be on his side, but all the facts made it hard to side against him, so I looked for unrelated reasons to prove that I shouldn't be on his side, and now that I've found him, fuck that guy."
 

marrec

Banned
How so? Saw his name on that other link and googled it. I'm on his side until I saw this.

What do ya mean? Are you not on his side now that you've seen this?

I really hate the internet, I'm getting too old to watch fools pick through strangers lives anytime they happen to be in the spotlight.

Can't wait for the death threat calls to start at his clinic.
 

Tovarisc

Member
How so? Saw his name on that other link and googled it. I'm on his side until I saw this.

By that logic if you ever get accused of crime (did you even find if he was found innocent or guilty?) you deserve to be knocked around and humiliated publicly.
 

cchum

Member
Translation: "I didn't want to be on his side, but all the facts made it hard to side against him, so I looked for unrelated reasons to prove that I shouldn't be on his side, and now that I've found him, fuck that guy."

Haha...look at my post history in this thread. I don't even know what doxxing is. Guess I shouldn't do it anymore. I just googled a name from that link.
 

3JORN

Member
I hope he sues also I am so disgusted by some of the comments I've seen here. It's as disgusting as that thread where a guy asked why people always act as if hurting children is so much worse than hurting adults.
 

Audioboxer

Member
How so? Saw his name on that other link and googled it. I'm on his side until I saw this.

The airline doesn't know this. How they choose to handle this is nothing to do about bad shit this guys done is his own life.

Even if the airline did know this the way they handled this has nothing to do with that guys personal/working life. He'll pay the prices for his own mistakes outside of travelling on an aeroplane. So as others have said zero to do with this incident.
 

ISOM

Member
Haha...look at my post history in this thread. I don't even know what doxxing is. Guess I shouldn't do it anymore. I just googled a name from that link.

It's not that you google his name that people have a problem with it's you presuming that this guy can't be innocent because of any crime he committed in his past. It's ridiculous.
 
United called the cops
The cops are all 'WE KNOW THIS GUY, this is our one chance to take him down'
Commence Batman
The only thing missing is them fultoning his ass back to (Insert Asian-Sounding Hometown Here)
 

Calamari41

41 > 38
The thing that the people are missing who are arguing for pages over the minutiae and legalese of the fine print on the ticket is that none of that matters. This isn't a trial in front of a panel of judges. We're in the court of public opinion on this one, and "well technically according to the contract, if you define these words in these ways, they were legally allowed to do this" is not going to make one bit of difference.
 

marrec

Banned
Oh god I should have known it was only a matter of time before someone trotted out the "HE'S NO ANGEL!" defense.

It just goes to show that some (most? nah, probably not) of the people rallying around this poor man aren't rallying because they legitimately feel sympathy for his plight, but because they fuckin' love drama and will just glom on to the next dramatic turn in the story regardless of who is the good guy or bad guy or whatever.
 

Sarye

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Er um....maybe he was belligerent.

Not a good for you. Are you implying that because he allegedly had a prior, he deserves it? Despite eye-witness accounts that he wasn't?

Lets not try play internet detectives. It may not even be the same guy and you've tarnished his reputation when he was the victim in this ordeal.

I've always flown United but I will not from now on. I find it sickening that people are defending this. If it was a white woman, people would be outraged even more. And if you think race has nothing to do with it, then I'm sorry but you're not a minority.
 
Haha...look at my post history in this thread. I don't even know what doxxing is. Guess I shouldn't do it anymore. I just googled a name from that link.

You still don't know what doxxing is and aren't even able to infer that it's what you did when people "in this thread" quote your post and say it's not cool?
 
Haha...look at my post history in this thread. I don't even know what doxxing is. Guess I shouldn't do it anymore. I just googled a name from that link.

The link you posted didn't even list the outcome of the case (in fact it mentions how similar changes against him have been dismissed), occurred 12 years ago, and isn't relevant at all to this incident.

Yet somehow you thought it was proof that he was belligerent on the plane, going against what witnesses on the plane are saying. I don't really care about your post history, your posts right now are really shitty. Like I said, be a better person.
 

Koomaster

Member
Haha...look at my post history in this thread. I don't even know what doxxing is. Guess I shouldn't do it anymore. I just googled a name from that link.
You should really think about this. Imagine ever screwing up in your life and that incident keeps coming back to justify people treating you like shit even when they didn't know about it.

Got robbed at gunpoint? Well fuck man remember when you stole a candy bar when you were a kid? You stole, now you get stolen from, totally justified.

Sucks you lost your job dude... but hey, remember that time in school you cheated on a test. Guess you had this coming.

It's a completely fucked up thing to do. Just because people have done bad thing doesn't mean it's excusable that others can now do bad things to them consequence free.

You're already banned, but if you see this, think about it.
 

Any newspaper (especially a local one like this) is going to run with a story for a few days - especially if it's an international one like this. The Louisville paper is of course going to find out as much information as they can on both sides of the story. They're simply reporting on who the passenger was. It's called journalism.
 
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