They spend about as much on screen time together as Luke and Ben do before Ben dies. But I'm kind of with you that it was harder for me to buy into because with Luke and Ben they at least allude to the idea that Luke and Ben already knew each other
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They spend about as much on screen time together as Luke and Ben do before Ben dies. But I'm kind of with you that it was harder for me to buy into because with Luke and Ben they at least allude to the idea that Luke and Ben already knew each other
Killer Queen
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It just feels to me that they've gone out of there way to close any logical plots that could have made sense. Like they could have left a lot open and it would be fine, but the extended universe and script imo has closed off a lot of that when they could have left it open and not explained anything at all.
I'm annoyed they cut out that scene where Kaz uses her force powers.
Inferno313
Banned
It's the payoff for Rey's entire arc through the film up until that point. That, alone, is a lot of "heft." She spends the whole film running from her destiny, fighting against it, rejecting it. It's not until that moment, that she finally claims her destiny and faces her fears. Maybe that didn't work for you, and that's fine, but to say that there's nothing emotional at play in the scene is false.
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I didn't say "IMO", because that's obvious, but the emotions weren't at play for me.
I care about Rey, and I was invested in her character, it's just that I didn't buy into the emotions or motivations behind her state of mind in that Kylo fight, so it rang hollow for me. Thinking about the film now, I can only recall one scene where Rey and Han seemed to be starting to maybe bond.
Disclaimer: I saw the movie twice, but not since its theatrical run. Need to pop that Bluray in some time and revisit.
I didn't say "IMO", because that's obvious, but the emotions weren't at play for me.
I care about Rey, and I was invested in her character, it's just that I didn't buy into the emotions or motivations behind her state of mind in that Kylo fight, so it rang hollow for me. Thinking about the film now, I can only recall one scene where Rey and Han seemed to be starting to maybe bond.
Disclaimer: I saw the movie twice, but not since its theatrical run. Need to pop that Bluray in some time and revisit.
PeskyToaster
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The choice of having it being a fight in the snow at night was great for the colors too.
I don't feel like they've "gone out of their way" to do any of that. IMO there is more evidence to suggest she is Luke's than not. Just my interpretation from the information we know about TFA and the franchise. You could still, however, make a super compelling case that she will not be.
I think the script from TFA points more toward it than not.
Again, I HOPE this isn't the case because it would be interesting to see what kind of dynamics they have to work with in regard to her being "no one".
Red + blue + white (snow) + black (sky) = most baller visual spectacle of the series. It's so....obvious and on point that I'm shocked it took 7 films to be done. It's not the best scene in the series but its probably the coolest/most visually appealing.
brandonh83
Banned
Well, she didn't react like she was witnessing the murder of someone in her family. They had bonded a bit, when she's helping with the Falcon and making adjustments it blew his fucking mind and he wanted her to join up. For him after losing his son, Rey probably filled, or could have filled some of that emptiness. Just traveling around with a Wookie after being distanced from your wife and what happened with Benjamin must've not been too easy.
But then Rey comes along, she immediately gets along with Han and there's immediate chemistry as they're both good to the Falcon, so yeah I can see how Han was taken with her and vice-versa. She'd been on Jakku waiting for someone, preferably her family to come scoop her up, and then meeting Han Solo and feeling like maybe she has a place now lifted her spirits, and to watch him be killed just sucked that all away. But, she goes on to going to find Luke in the Falcon with Chewbacca, so she then went on to fill the void of the Falcon's crew after Han was removed from the equation.
I dunno, they didn't have tons of scenes together but the interaction they did have developed it enough IMO.
Yeah, but we'd already seen it 40 years ago.
I would say these moments established her emotional connection to Han:
1. Her going all fangirl when she realize he was "the" Han Solo and the ship was the Millennium Falcon. He clearly was a well known figure and she got all hyped up when she realized who it was. She idolized the legend of Han Solo.
2. They bonded over figuring out the hyperdrive issue and replied at the same time with what the issue was (I can't recall whatever the technobabble thing it was, but they figured it out together).
3. Han giving her the gun and asking her to join his crew, she was clearly touched by that.
So going into the film she knew who Han was and idolized him as a hero, she met him and bonded with him over ship engineering mumbo jumbo, and was emotionally moved when he gave her his gun and asked her to join his crew. For someone who up until then seemed to have zero friends and no family since she was a child, he had a pretty big impact on her life in a short time.
I was really disappointed when this part in TFA happened off-screen. smh
You fucked up, Disney.
Works better in the movie since we're following Rey and Finn and then they come across Kylo.
Definitely an amazing shot but it sadly only works in the trailer.
brandonh83
Banned
At least in TFA Rey knew Han as a hero and someone she idolized before meeting him. Luke was under the impression Obi-Wan was just some crazy old kook before Artoo brought them together.
brandonh83
Banned
I thought it was over the top at first, but cool. However, how Driver handles it is so fucking awesome, and it must take a lot of skill to even wield it. They're dangerous enough as a single blade but having to take into account the side exhausts adds a whole other dimension to it. It feels really powerful and I love the sound effect for it.
So good.
I think I remember JJ saying that the lightsabers cutting the trees during their fight was proposed by Spielberg (Spielberg's other idea was Finn/Poe's Tie Fighter going down in that sinkhole in the beginning of the movie).
Such a small visual thing that adds so much. Watching this fight live, for the first time, after years of no movies - man it was good.
I mean.. it goes without saying.
The forest fight between Rey and Kylo is still really good... I watched TFA the other night.
I remember opening night, I lost my shit when Rey Force pulled the lightsaber toward her, that moment is one of the best moments in cinema recently IMHO.
The forest fight between Rey and Kylo is still really good... I watched TFA the other night.
I remember opening night, I lost my shit when Rey Force pulled the lightsaber toward her, that moment is one of the best moments in cinema recently IMHO.
Their battle at the end was about a hell of a lot more than just Han. At that point the First Order and Kylo Ren had been hunting her down for most of the movie, attacking her on Jakku, blown up a bunch of planets, attacked and destroyed Maz's castle, kidnapped her, tortured her, read her mind, killed Han, and almost killed Finn, those last few while in the process of trying to blow up the Resistance.
I don't think Rey's "moment" in EP7 is the best in the series, but it's a classic moment. It was so worth waiting 6 hours in line to experience it in the theater with other SW nerds.
It's definitely one of the best.
My all time favorite will probably never be surpassed though (Yoda/X-Wing/Luke).
That shit is real magic. It's the most wonderfully simplistic and effective moment in cinematic history, for what it's trying to accomplish, IMO.
It's definitely one of the best.
My all time favorite will probably never be surpassed though (Yoda/X-Wing/Luke).
That shit is real magic. It's the most wonderfully simplistic and effective moment in cinematic history, for what it's trying to accomplish, IMO.
LookAtMeGo
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I saw it opening night in 3D and my stupid ADD got in the way and I was paying to much attention to the snow falling in front of my face that it took away from that fight. Enjoyed it much better when I went back for the 2D showing.
Killer Queen
Banned
Here are my arguments that Rey isn't a Skywalker:
-My interpretation of Maz's speech is Maz tells Rey to let go of what you're waiting for, because you know it's not coming back, you're destined to do great things, go out and do them rather than wait for something you know will not come.
-It's pretty clear that Luke has always been depicted as becoming a great, clean cut Jedi, maybe moreso than any in the Republic. There's a film called Return of the Jedi, and it's stated that Luke has gone to ancient Jedi temples, presumably to study their ways. It's also known that Luke went on to form an academy for Jedi. Putting two and two together you can deduce that the likelihood is that he's trying to teach more pure Jedi in the old ways, and as such he would have to be a devout follower of the religion to be teaching it, and that would be completely within Luke's character. Being the good guy, following the old ways, a right and proper Jedi, which is what Luke has wanted since he became a Jedi. Him having a child means he wasn't actually a true follower and rather a hypocrite, which would be against Luke's character.
-If Luke wasn't a true follower, why would he now care about ending the Jedi order? Because he'd already be picking and choosing which parts of the religion he wants to follow by having a child, he could just continue to do so. and I don't think that this is a fake out, had the title not been "The Last Jedi" and Rian Johnson explaining that that's Luke then fine, but the last Jedi, will be Luke. This is another place where they could have left it ambiguous and said nothing.
-If Luke had a child, he would know about it. The force is the connection of all living things, it's established that a powerful Jedi can sense other beings and know exactly who they are. Obi Wan and Yoda could sense Darth Maul when he came back for Obi Wan. Considering Luke has been hanging out around Jedi temples and learning the ways of the force, he's likely become a lot more powerful and in tune with it and I'd imagine he's just as strong or stronger as Obi Wan or Yoda. So he would be able to sense that child. Especially because she's force sensitive.
-Bloodline goes out of its way to ruin a completely logical explanation by explaining the timeline of the destruction of Luke's academy and the ages of Kylo and Rey. Luke had absolutely no problem enrolling his force sensitive nephew into his academy. Why wouldn't he enroll his own daughter? and you could say "Well maybe she was!" But she wasn't. Because she was already dropped off on Jakku prior to the destruction of Luke's academy. If you ignore all of the above and say "Maybe Luke dropped her off on Jakku to hide her from the first order and Kylo Ren blew up the academy and wiped her mind so even if they did find her, she wouldn't know and they'd leave her alone". But the timeline kills that theory. Which is an unnecessary detail that they didn't have to explore, and if there was going to be any logical route in my opinion, it would be that one. But they nipped that in the butt.
and again, Luke's probably been chilling with Obi Wan and Yoda force ghosts and if he ever got close to any woman I'm sure they'd tell him to chill out because that's exactly how Anakin became Darth Vader and Luke would comply because he's that kind of guy.
I just think having Luke have a child would be all kinds of stupid after they've established all of the above. They've made an effort in my mind to plug up a lot of logical options they could have taken with it. So if they do it now it'll be in my mind, ridiculous.
brandonh83
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Yeah. I mean, we don't have to turn this into whether or not it's the best moment. Everyone has their favorite moments. But you yourself just said it's a classic moment. I agree with that, and I think it says a lot for people to consider it the best, one of the best, or if not that, acknowledge that it's a classic moment already.
That's why it kinda annoys me that the bandwagoners just write it off as an Episode IV or original trilogy rehash. It undermines the good things about the movie and there's a lot of good fucking things about the movie. Okay there's a planet destroying weapon, a desert planet, some nods, but none of that by any means is the majority or makeup of the entire movie. It still has its own story and introduced its own new characters and lead.
brandonh83
Banned
Is Luke's last name 3PO? Didn't think so.
Killer Queen
Banned
The best moment in Star Wars is either
or
Asteroid chase wants a word with you.
But yes, in terms of emotional meaning, those are in the top, for sure.
brandonh83
Banned
You guys posting your personal favorite moments and being able to cite so many throughout the series is why we're a bunch of obsessed freaks for Star Wars.
You crazy? That's a great moment, but it's not the best moment! This or this is the best moment! I think the Rey saber pull is simply alongside all those.
You crazy? That's a great moment, but it's not the best moment! This or this is the best moment! I think the Rey saber pull is simply alongside all those.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
The Asteroid Field isn't really a moment though. It's a big long setpiece.
The Librarian
Banned
It's when Rey grabs the lightsaber, ya'll.
Killer Queen
Banned
Some interesting stuff about Snoke and Kylo Ren for those interested.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Snoke
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I've already laid this out for people, but a lot of these kids don't use the gol' darn twitters.
Actual best moment.
This is good stuff.
TheOfficeMut
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So, what, Kylo was just hanging around Snoke after school and Leia disapproved of it, until finally one day Snoke just converted him entirely?
LookAtMeGo
Member
My all time favorite scene is the camera pan shot under the stairs in ROTJs final Luke and Vader battle. Then when Luke just rages out and hammers Vader to his knees and then takes his arm off. So fucking good.
Hmm, I should catch up with The Americans.
brandonh83
Banned
I think Force Awakens is full of some of the best moments/scenes.
-Rey pulling the lightsaber to her
-Resistance arrival on Takodana (Xwings over the water was ACCEPTABLE)
-TR8R fight with the riot control trooper
-Jakku escape is one of my favorite action sequences
-Kylo and Han's confrontation, strong and visually mindblowing
-the lightsaber duel period
These are the things I took away from the film among other things, not some baseline similarities to A New Hope.
The best moment in Star Wars is either
This is the one, albeit a few seconds later when Vader grabs the Emperor and throws him as the force theme hits one last time.
Shame Lucas ruined the climax of the saga by adding a NOOOOOOOOOO in the last release :/
I'm not understanding how you're deducing that Luke is probably a "clean cut" Jedi and is more in in line with old Jedi ways than even those in the republic. Everything we know of ESB and ROTJ stands as evidence that Luke is NOT in line with the old ways. He defies Obi-Wan. He defies Yoda. That doesn't mean he didn't learn and value their core principles and teachings, but he also largely created his own version of "Jedi". The old Jedi would have said "abandon your emotions, Vader is irredeemable". Obi/Yoda didn't even CONSIDER that Vader could be turned. They just wanted him destroyed. Luke used his emotions and feelings to restore Anakin and discard Vader. In addition, Luke dresses in all black and fucking force chokes people to death in ROTJ. Luke also uses his emotions to attempt to save his friends, when Yoda cautions that he should potentially let him die and keep them in his memory to uplift their cause and efforts. Yoda/Obi warn him not to run off but he does it anyway. As a result, he is able to save them AND the galaxy. An old Jedi would have said "ok" and probably let them die.
There are a plethora of examples in the OT that refute the idea that Luke wants anything to do with being an old Jedi. And just because he's looking for answers doesn't mean he's doing it because he wants to restore old ways.
The best moment in Star Wars is
Got it for you
It's ok to have favorite moments and voice them. Doesn't devalue others. Rey's is one of the best, I agree.
Killer Queen
Banned
I mean, no clue, we have no idea who snoke is or was. Maybe he was a teacher in disguise or a figure of authority like Sheev.
The Librarian
Banned
Bobby is correct.
)Actual best moment in Star Wars
Just incredible.
Awwh hell nah.
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