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[Eidan]

Which only makes my earlier point more painful and valid. Injustice 2 will sell more for all the wrong reasons. In a fighting game you'd think great gameplay would be the one thing that moves units. SFV despite how good a game it actually is proves otherwise.

Injustice 2 will outsell Marvel because NRS will create a game that appeals to a large number of people. Though you might not enjoy it, the gameplay in NRS's fighters are great. But unlike in, say, SFV, NRS offer more than just core mechanics to appeal to those beyond the FGC. They just make better games.

MKX is a much, much better game than SFV, and deserved to outsell it.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Injustice and it won't be anywhere near close.

 

[Ashtar]

Injustice 2 will outsell Marvel because NRS will create a game that appeals to a large number of people. Though you might not enjoy it, the gameplay in NRS's fighters are great. But unlike in, say, SFV, NRS offer more than just core mechanics to appeal to those beyond the FGC. They just make better games.

MKX is a much, much better game than SFV, and deserved to outsell it.

WRONG! if you don't like what I like you're wrong and you've done a great injustice to me and my family!

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I'm a fighting game noob but I really enjoyed the original Injustice after buying it when it was cheap. Though I'm more of a Marvel fan, I've got into DC and its characters more since Rebirth and Injustice 2 looks more polished and accessible to a casual player like myself. I can see it attracting the casual audience a lot more.

 

[vocab]

Marvel infinite is going to bomb. Its a rush job thats gonna have typical technical issues with bad online.

 

[BronsonLee]

Capcom's own sales projections tell me they don't expect it to either

 

[Johndoey]

Which only makes my earlier point more painful and valid. Injustice 2 will sell more for all the wrong reasons. In a fighting game you'd think great gameplay would be the one thing that moves units. SFV despite how good a game it actually is proves otherwise.

What does this actually even mean? Saying there is a "wrong" reason to buy an entertainment product is crazy.

 

[ffvorax]

As a casual fighting gamer I say Injustice, 'cause it's more packed with SP content and easy play than Marvel (which series I also bought in the past and appreciated).

 

[Discotheque]

I really wish Capcom bothered to go as deep with the content as netherrealms. I prefer their gameplay in fighting games but the actual games themselves are basically barebones as fuck

Netherrealms amount of content is far more commendable. I'll cop both at the end of the day tho. (Marvel on sale though this time)

Anyways to speak on topic I think injustice 2 will outsell it considerably.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman]

Capcom's own sales projections tell me they don't expect it to either

Pretty much this. And it makes sense considering the sales of MvC3 and Injustice 1.

There's no denying that Marvel is a bigger brand than DC right now but the Netherrealm games are just more appealing to people outside of the fighting game community.

As silly as they are, I love the story modes in both MK and Injustice. There's a ton of content for casual fans. But if you're buying a Capcom fighter, it's certainly not for the single player modes so you better be prepared to be savaged online.

Give me Tatsunoko vs Capcom vs Marvel and I might change sides though =)

 

[giancarlo123x]

Lmao injustice is going to destroy marvel sales wise even though I'm sure I'll enjoy mvc more. Netherrealm sells like a mofo.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I think MvC:I will be the better game, but Injustice 2 will sell more. Mainly because I really don't think Capcom can compete with the marketing power of Warner, and I doubt the popularity of the MCU/DCCU will factor into each all that much. Although the Mortal Kombat games are massive sellers I don't think that will particularly reflect on how well Injustice 2 sells, which will do more than MvC:I but considerably less than the recent Mortal Kombat games.

Thing is Injustice 1 was already a huge seller, and NR has only become a bigger powerhouse since then. Injustice 2 will be pretty huge unless it somehow ends up totally sucking

Do we actually know sales numbers for it?!

 

[WatTsu]

Injustice sells more and it won't be close. But I am very excited for and plan to pick up both. 2017 is a fighting game Renaissance.

 

[jon bones]

Injustice by a country mile

Capcom doesn't know how to do lots of good content in their FGs anymore - which sucks. They keep focusing on the small "esports" crowd when Marvel deserves a big NRS style story mode and lots of solo content.

 

[LFMartins86]

I think MvC:I will be the better game, but Injustice 2 will sell more. Mainly because I really don't think Capcom can compete with the marketing power of Warner, and I doubt the popularity of the MCU/DCCU will factor into each all that much. Although the Mortal Kombat games are massive sellers I don't think that will particularly reflect on how well Injustice 2 sells, which will do more than MvC:I but considerably less than the recent Mortal Kombat games.



Do we actually know sales numbers for it?!

No numbers but it was the most sold game in America two months in a row and I remember it also topping UK's charts 3 straight weeks.

 

[TRUE ORDER]

I really like MvC games and don't like that much how Injustice plays, but the latter will win by far in sales.

Reception could be the same or not.

 

[Korigama]

Injustice, fairly certain of it (and I say this as someone with no interest in that series).

 

[nded]

Injustice 2 will probably sell more, but the gulf in sales between NRS and Capcom fighters always seems overstated on internet forums. Outside of SFV which had a legit botched launch, NRS games seem to sell maybe half a million more than the contemporary Capcom product.

 

[Skilletor]

Which only makes my earlier point more painful and valid. Injustice 2 will sell more for all the wrong reasons. In a fighting game you'd think great gameplay would be the one thing that moves units. SFV despite how good a game it actually is proves otherwise.

This is a stupid post.

 

[Neoxon]

While I do believe that Injustice 2 will sell more in the long-run, the gap may not be as wide thanks to the wider appeal of Marvel via the MCU (as long as Capcom doesn't fuck up MvCI's launch). Another thing to consider is long-term life. And at least within the competitive scene, (U)MvC3 outlived...

• Moral Kombat 9
• Injustice 1
• Mortal Kombat X

....combined, & UMvC3 will live just long enough to co-exist with Injustice 2 at EVO 2017. If Marvel sticks with MvCI for the long-term from a legal standpoint, this could be beneficial for both sides.

 

[Principate]

Injustice 2 will probably sell more, but the gulf in sales between NRS and Capcom fighters always seems overstated on internet forums. Outside of SFV which had a legit botched launch, NRS games seem to sell maybe half a million more than the contemporary Capcom product.

Didn't MKX sell 5 million?

 

[LFMartins86]

Do people really think MCU has that big of an impact in video games? Are we expecting Telltale's Guardians Of The Galaxy to be a smashing hit?

 

[LordBaztion]

I expect WB to have better marketing for their game in the West than Capcom. That will make it sell better despite marvel being more popular.

 

[Nirolak]

Didn't MKX sell 5 million?

Yes, and that was back in early October before they even had the XL edition or holiday sales.

Even if we're just looking at something like the PC version, it went from 350K to 850K after that.

 

[OsirisBlack]

You point isn't valid at all. Great gameplay doesn't necessarily mean balanced tournament friendly gameplay. More people will like by NetherRealms games, because they will enjoy playing them more, which is precisely the correct reason to buy a game. Games don't need to exist to satisfy tournament aspirations regardless of genre.

I mean... I personally don't even like the gameplay of NetherRealms games much... but goddamn does it get old reading fans of Capcom fighters acting like their preferred game is factually gaming done right.

it's not just capcom fighting games, there are a bunch of fighting games that do not suffer the clunky input scheme of NRS games. Blaze blue, skull girls, every snk game ever. I get why people enjoy the NRS games but I also get why they burn out so quickly.

Injustice 2 will outsell Marvel because NRS will create a game that appeals to a large number of people. Though you might not enjoy it, the gameplay in NRS's fighters are great. But unlike in, say, SFV, NRS offer more than just core mechanics to appeal to those beyond the FGC. They just make better games.

MKX is a much, much better game than SFV, and deserved to outsell it.

MKX being a much much better game than SFV is subjective I'd say you were wrong but that's also my opinion.

What does this actually even mean? Saying there is a "wrong" reason to buy an entertainment product is crazy.

Perhaps I could have worded it a bit differently.

This is a stupid post.

Thank you for your insightful post.

 

[sixteen-bit]

I2 by a wide margin. NRS games have more mainstream appeal.

 

[LordOfLore]

Injustice by a country mile

Capcom doesn't know how to do lots of good content in their FGs anymore - which sucks. They keep focusing on the small "esports" crowd when Marvel deserves a big NRS style story mode and lots of solo content.

Didn't Capcom promote MvC3 as having a big story mode and there was nothing of that sort in the actual game?

Edit: Found it.

Ryota Niitsuma, series creator, stated at E3 2010 that the game would feature a single-player story mode that is more robust than its predecessors, with unique endings for each character. Characters will meet, interact, speak, and travel with other characters, similar to that of the basis of the storyline in Arc System Works' BlazBlue series. There would have beeen CG animated scenes of the characters speaking to each other with full voiceovers.

Marvel also stated that Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is "all about fan service", and spoke of plans to work with Capcom to include dialogue quips and mid-match events between the company's characters that reference past Marvel Comics storylines.

At Comic Con, it was originally announced that Marvel writer Frank Tieri would be writing the story.

In the end, MvC3 features no story mode, mid-match interactions or additional CG animated cut-scenes. Other than the intro movies and the character endings, the plot of the game is no different from previous installments. Promises of a robust plot, and references to past Marvel comics were nonexistent in the final release of the game.

 

[Nirolak]

Didn't Capcom promote MvC3 as having a big story mode and there was nothing of that sort in the actual game?

Alberto said he was told that Marvel Infinite's campaign was 2 hours in the other thread IIRC.

Edit:

Here: http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=234912985

 

[OsirisBlack]

While I do believe that Injustice 2 will sell more in the long-run, the gap may not be as wide thanks to the wider appeal of Marvel via the MCU (as long as Capcom doesn't fuck up MvCI's launch). Another thing to consider is long-term life. And at least within the competitive scene, (U)MvC3 outlived...

• Moral Kombat 9
• Injustice 1
• Mortal Kombat X

....combined, & UMvC3 will live just long enough to co-exist with Injustice 2 at EVO 2017. If Marvel sticks with MvCI for the long-term from a legal standpoint, this could be beneficial for both sides.

Pretty much my point NRS games sell gangbusters then fizzle out.

 

[Ginger Hail]

Injustice 2 will sell more, no contest. The MCU bump will probably help MvC a little bit at least, but not enough to top NRS sales.

 

[Skilletor]

Thank you for your insightful post.

Saying that a good game is selling for the wrong reasons isn't worth much more insight.

 

[nded]

Didn't MKX sell 5 million?

Yep, which is why I point out SFV as being something of an exception. MK9 and Injustice outsold SFIV and MvC3 respectively, but certainly not by a 5 to 1 margin (though if we include revisions, I think the Capcom titles ended up selling more). Whether that speaks to NRS' popularity or how badly Capcom fucked up SFV is up for debate.

 

[Eidan]

Pretty much my point NRS games sell gangbusters then fizzle out.

Seems fairly pointless to continue to bring up tournament longevity in a thread about sales. Seems like a transparent attempt to save face.

But it is true, UMVC3 is still in the tournament scene. And we're seeing the benefits of that as well: a budget sequel with reused assets whose sales will be doubled by another comic book fighter that "fizzles" in the tourney circuit. At least Marvel has that all so important Yipes demographic.

 

[LordOfLore]

Alberto said he was told that Marvel Infinite's campaign was 2 hours in the other thread IIRC.

Edit:

Here: http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=234912985

Oh so the new one actually has one?

 

[Skilletor]

Seems fairly pointless to continue to bring up tournament longevity in a thread about sales. Seems like a transparent attempt to save face.

But it is true, UMVC3 is still in the tournament scene. And we're seeing the benefits of that as well: a budget sequel with reused assets whose sales will be doubled by another comic book fighter that "fizzles" in the tourney circuit. At least Marvel has that all so important Yipes demographic.

Also seems silly to say "reused assets" like a negative when Injustice 2 is also full of it.

 

[BronsonLee]

Yo I'll fight you if you gonna shit on Yipes, come catch my fade

 

[Principate]

I think a more interesting questions is ARMS vs MvCI. It's more of a wildcard and the answer isn't as clear cut as this.

 

[fernoca]

Pretty much my point NRS games sell gangbusters then fizzle out.

Of the big competitive scene? Sure.

People still play it locally and against friends. Is not as if people stop playing the game after buying them.

 

[jon bones]

Seems fairly pointless to continue to bring up tournament longevity in a thread about sales. Seems like a transparent attempt to save face.

But it is true, UMVC3 is still in the tournament scene. And we're seeing the benefits of that as well: a budget sequel with reused assets whose sales will be doubled by another comic book fighter that "fizzles" in the tourney circuit. At least Marvel has that all so important Yipes demographic.

exactly - why Capcom doesn't focus on solo content boggles the mind.

i bet the dlc tails on injustice are real high too.

 

[Eidan]

Also seems silly to say "reused assets" like a negative when Injustice 2 is also full of it.

Really? Where?

 

[DR2K]

This is going to be a pretty hilarious crow thread by years end.

Some of you are just 1:1 attributing MKX and SFV with no context or made up facts to 2 separate games.

Injustice 2 will not sell as well as MKX. Just because people have a bias for "single player content" on this forum for fighters. Even if that were the case Tekken 7 is releasing within 2 weeks of it, with all the same modes, better visuals, a bigger roster, and a bigger name brand. Of course this isn't a factor for some people even though Tekken 6 like MVC3 outsold Injustice. In fact it outsold both of them.

Really? Where?

Animations. All of the returning characters are mostly reused from before. This isn't a bad thing.

 

[Skilletor]

Really? Where?

Every character from Injustice 1 has almost exactly the same animations as in injustice 2. People said a ton of the same combos from IJ1 work in IJ2.

It's not a big deal. Fighters do this all the time, but no need to use it as a negative in Marvel to prop up an NRS title.

 

[The Broken Ska Record]

It's too early to tell, but as of right now, I'm leaning more towards Injustice 2 over Infinite.

 

[Eidan]

Every character from Injustice 1 has almost exactly the same animations as in injustice 2. People said a ton of the same combos from IJ1 work in IJ2.

Ah, I can't really speak on since I haven't watched much in the way of move breakdowns for the returning characters. I was thinking of stuff like what we're seeing with Chris, Hulk, Iron Man, Chun-Li, and Ryu in MVC, where they look almost copied and pasted into the new title sans Marvel 3's filters.

 

[nded]

I was thinking of stuff like what we're seeing with Chris, Hulk, Iron Man, Chun-Li, and Ryu in MVC, where they look almost copied and pasted into the new title sans Marvel 3's filters.

I think Chris and Strider are the only characters the only characters I've seen so far whose models aren't noticeably changed from MvC3; Hulk too, but how much can you expect his design to change. Even then they've shown some new moves and animations and I have no doubt there'll be plenty of DLC costumes.

 

[Gbraga]

Which only makes my earlier point more painful and valid. Injustice 2 will sell more for all the wrong reasons. In a fighting game you'd think great gameplay would be the one thing that moves units. SFV despite how good a game it actually is proves otherwise.

I like Injustice 1 a lot more than SF V.

I never touched the story mode in either of them, couldn't care less about single player content in fighting games, and think Mortal Kombat is trash.

If even among this audience I'm part of SF V doesn't receive unanimous praise, it's hard to think of it as an unfair situation.

 

[BronsonLee]

I have no idea why tournament life keeps getting brought up at all

 

[OsirisBlack]

Seems fairly pointless to continue to bring up tournament longevity in a thread about sales. Seems like a transparent attempt to save face.

But it is true, UMVC3 is still in the tournament scene. And we're seeing the benefits of that as well: a budget sequel with reused assets whose sales will be doubled by another comic book fighter that "fizzles" in the tourney circuit. At least Marvel has that all so important Yipes demographic.

Well I had previously stated that Injustice 2 will outsell Marvel so saving face is largely unnecessary. bringing up which game you or I like more is irrelevant, Until it's not. Saying one game is better or much much better because of sales numbers is also not a good measure of a game. It's a good indicator of what people like to buy and play short term but how is that better? Financially better definitely.

 

[Gbraga]

I think the short tournament life has more to do with the community than the game's quality. It seems to me, looking from the outside, that there are NRS players, not necessarily Mortal Kombat players and Injustice players. So when a new NRS game comes out, everyone moves on to it, major tournaments drop the previous one, nobody cares anymore, even if they weren't really complaining that much about the game before.

With Capcom fighters, on the other hand, it's a lot more common to find people who only play Marvel, and people who only play Street Fighter, which allows both sereis to continue living, even if Marvel is nowhere near as crowded.

I have to give it to the Smash Community for keeping multiple games in the same series alive, though, even if they're not my thing at all. I wish Marvel 2 and SF IV tournaments were still alive and well.

 

[shoreu]

MVC. I think all the DC film shenanigans have done enough damage.

Nah lol DC is still DC and people gonna buy up that neatherealm goodness like its candy.