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Attack on Titan (Shingeki no Kyojin) manga thread of TOTAL SPOILER PANDEMONIUM

Just finished Chapter 92, Is that Jaw Titan whatever Titan Ymir had? so she's dead probably eaten by whoever the Jaw "Galliard" person is?
Are Zeke and Reyner at their end of their life spam?
 
So we know of 8 titan shifters? Isn't there 9?

Attack-Eren
Founder-Eren
Female-Annie
Colossal-Armin
Mule-Pokko
Jaw=Dancing-Galliard
Armored-Reiner
Beast-Zeke
They've also been pretty tight-lipped on explaining each Titan's unique ability.

Attack - I'm guessing is phsyically the strongest. Probably at least 2x as strong as any other titan.

Founder - (randomly) chooses who inherits the power of a dead shifter.

Female - Scream lures regular Titans

Colossal - Body emits steam

Mule - ??? (possibly the fastest running speed)

Jaw - ??? Strongest Biter? (lame power if so)

Beast - ???

Armored - permanent Battle Armor

I just know the ninth Titan is going to have a lame power like heart.

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Interesting to get the confirmation that the Ackermanns were genetically engineered.

To be honest not really interested in getting to know these new kids. But they keep getting focus so I figure that they're going to be doing something pivotal soon.
 
But who is the final titan?, I don't think it belongs to the Marleyans.
Also watch the Ackerman's blood be the key to save Eren's expiration date.
 

Erigu

Member
The final Titan might fly. (There's a green angel-looking thing in the 2nd ending)
They're supposed to have that titan we still haven't seen. So if they comment that there's no flying titan...


But who is the final titan?, I don't think it belongs to the Marleyans.
Again, it would have to.

According to Grisha's flashback, they got their hands on seven titans out of nine.
Obviously, they don't have the Progenitor Titan.
Then, they clearly had no idea Eren Kruger had the Attack Titan.
So they should have all the remaining titans (back then, anyway... a few things have changed since then).
 
Jaw - ??? Strongest Biter? (lame power if so)

This would actually be pretty useful if it really is an unstoppable bite. You could conceivably bite and eat the person inside even the Armored Titan in one bite.

Also, I wonder if there's any good foreshadowing back when they first start inventing the thunder rods and stuff about how manmade tech is surpassing Titan power. I'm sure there were probably hints built in back then.
 

turmoil

Banned
I have to reread the last 30 chapters or so, I don't get a shit of what is happening anymore lol

I think the problem is that I disliked the civil war stuff so much that I stopped caring and began speedreading it just to see cool titan fights.
 
I bet either Zeke will get redemption arc or he will be eaten, but not by Eren.

There's no redemption for that mofo, he was scum since he was a kid, him having royal blood is the key for Eren to acquire the original titan's power without eating the other only surviving person with royal blood.

Reyner on the other hand is going to get a a redemption I think, the way he's been portrayed, he's tired and is having second thoughts about were his loyalty stands.
 

Shergal

Member
some thoughts i had
-Mule's "ability" might be the amount of time the user can stay transformed (2 months is way off-scale for what we previously knew about this aspect)

-Incidentally, the fact that a female (Peak) turns into a male(?)-looking Mule Titan also solves the issue of the Female Titan name. Surely, even if the shifter is male, the Titan form remains female. Fits with the representations we've seen of the 9 "originals" and solves the weird coincidence in naming. Not the most elegant, but it works...

@Erigu: We saw this chapter that having royal blood gives you privileges even if your titan isn't the founder; moreover, Zeke's particular ability even resembles the supposed power of the founder, albeit to a limited extent. So I'm thinking that maybe Zeke can partially tap into the coordinate and "see" memories, thoughts and other vantage points such as those of the Reiss living inside the walls. The reveal in this chapter that he's most likely double-crossing and has his own agenda separate from Marley could be reinforced if he was privy to what was going on inside the walls all along (and maybe even the past; he talked about "ending this cursed history" that one time, which I thought was weird). Since this would be limited-usage and it's been mentioned that the whole seeing memories/other POVs feels more like a fuzzy dream than exact recollection, that would also give a reason for his ignorance of more technical, minute details like the 3DMG (no idea about the Ackermans tho). Zeke at this point kinda has to be a more complex character than just a Marley lapdog, so introducing a plot device like this would solve a lot of things at once I feel.
 
So the Beast Titan can't transform humans into titans via 'his power' as we thought, but it's an injection of Zeke's spinal fluid that does.
So how does that explain Connies village? Zeke rolled in with cases of spinal fluid and individually injected everybody?

With the whole turning people into titans and dumping them on Paradis plan that backfired as it led to the creation of 3DM Gear... presumably the idea was to fill the island with titans (whilst helping rid them of Eldians) which would then be controlled by the Beast / Female titans whenever Marley planned to attack, right?
 

Erigu

Member
So the Beast Titan can't transform humans into titans via 'his power' as we thought, but it's an injection of Zeke's spinal fluid that does.
So how does that explain Connies village? Zeke rolled in with cases of spinal fluid and individually injected everybody?
People have been wondering about that one for a while... Last month, we found out he could have them transform all at once, which seriously helped making sense out of what happened in that village, but the new episode now adds that thing about the spinal fluid, and... Yeah.
On the one hand, we kinda needed something like that, or Zeke would have been able to instantly turn pretty much anybody from inside the walls just by shouting at them, which would have been... problematic, plot-wise. So that's good. But how did he pull that off in that village? I mean, if nobody died there, that means he "infected" everybody.
I can think of a few ways (like "poisoning" their well over a fair amount of time, or making up some bullshit about a plague they needed to get vaccinated against), but it's a bit cumbersome...
 
So the Beast Titan can't transform humans into titans via 'his power' as we thought, but it's an injection of Zeke's spinal fluid that does.
So how does that explain Connies village? Zeke rolled in with cases of spinal fluid and individually injected everybody?

With the whole turning people into titans and dumping them on Paradis plan that backfired as it led to the creation of 3DM Gear... presumably the idea was to fill the island with titans (whilst helping rid them of Eldians) which would then be controlled by the Beast / Female titans whenever Marley planned to attack, right?

The prevailing theory is that he feigned being a doctor and give them a 'vaccine' injection. Though I don't know how advanced they are in the medical aspect.
 
The prevailing theory is that he feigned being a doctor and give them a 'vaccine' injection. Though I don't know how advanced they are in the medical aspect.
I think he was already infiltrated for a while in that village like Rayner and friends that were already years infiltrated.

Also did you guys see that weird panel showing someone following Rayner? That person looked like Eren or Mikasa from behind notice how that person was wearing the armband on the right arm instead of left like everyone else, I think after so many years without knowing what Eren's crew has been up to, they didn't just stay chillin' at the beach and they have already infiltrated main land.
 

Erigu

Member
I think he was already infiltrated for a while in that village like Rayner and friends that were already years infiltrated.
Considering Zeke briefly wondered if they really spoke the same language, in that one scene, it doesn't look like he had interacted with anybody from the walled society until he questioned Mike. So I really wonder how he managed to infect an entire village with his spinal fluid without even hearing them speak in the process. Did he weaponize the damn thing?

Also did you guys see that weird panel showing someone following Rayner? That person looked like Eren or Mikasa from behind notice how that person was wearing the armband on the right arm instead of left like everyone else, I think after so many years without knowing what Eren's crew has been up to, they didn't just stay chillin' at the beach and they have already infiltrated main land.
Huh. Not 100% sure that's meaningful, but Isayama has pulled that kind of trick before, so you might well be right.
 
Considering Zeke briefly wondered if they really spoke the same language, in that one scene, it doesn't look like he had interacted with anybody from the walled society until he questioned Mike. So I really wonder how he managed to infect an entire village with his spinal fluid without even hearing them speak in the process. Did he weaponize the damn thing?

Oh you're right, maybe Reiner and Bertold had something to do with it? there are still a few gaps from that time that I hope we get exposed to.
 

DarkKyo

Member
I love where this manga is going. I'm still really excited to see Colossal Armin(and it was cool how they teased the reveal in this chapter)! The wait is killing me. So the form the shifter takes is basically an enhanced(with the specific titan power) version of their original titan form(which is why Ymir's and Galliard's dancing titans are both so different looking)? So I'm guessing when we saw Armin in his dinky normal titan form, that's likely what he'll look like only massive and skinless/hairless?
 

kirblar

Member
Are all of the people in the Walls eligible for full-on titan powers, or are the people within a mix or eligible and ineligible? The history's a blur to me at this point.
 

Erigu

Member
Are all of the people in the Walls eligible for full-on titan powers, or are the people within a mix or eligible and ineligible? The history's a blur to me at this point.
Unless I'm mistaken, it's a bit unclear. We've been told there were some people (like the Ackermans or the Orientals) who weren't affected by the memory-altering powers of the Progenitor Titan, so maybe those aren't descendants of Ymir, or not "pure" enough to turn into titans?
 
There are a few exceptions, of people who entered with the rest of Eldians in the island, but 99% of people inside walls are Eldians, so yeah, potentially titans.
 
I think he was already infiltrated for a while in that village like Rayner and friends that were already years infiltrated.

Also did you guys see that weird panel showing someone following Rayner? That person looked like Eren or Mikasa from behind notice how that person was wearing the armband on the right arm instead of left like everyone else, I think after so many years without knowing what Eren's crew has been up to, they didn't just stay chillin' at the beach and they have already infiltrated main land.

A neat idea but I don't see how they would've infiltrated the mainland considering no ships have returned from the island.
 

StarVigil

Member
Can someone give me a summary of everything that happened since they went to the basement and explain it like I'm a 5 year old. I feel so fucking lost...
 

DarkKyo

Member
Can someone give me a summary of everything that happened since they went to the basement and explain it like I'm a 5 year old. I feel so fucking lost...

They uncovered many truths about the world, the titans, and their situation. Then they left the walls and made it out to the shore. Since then there has been a timeskip of 4 years.

The central conflict has been revealed to be a struggle between two nations/peoples that has been off and on for some time. Most of the people within the walls belong to a people called the Eldians, who once held the power of all the special titans(there are 9 of them). An Eldian from over 1800 years ago named Ymir Fritz was the first to gain the power of the titans. She used it to establish a society and before she died she split the power into 9 successors(the 9 titan shifting powers were handed down).

On the other side of the conflict there are the Marleys, who were the dominant nation before Ymir Fritz found the power of the titans. After the Eldians gained this power they decimated and subjugated the Marleys for many centuries.

Eventually an Eldian king who gained the power of the Founding Titan moved to an island called Paradis(where the story within the walls takes place), created massive walls made of colossal titans, and erased everyone's memory with his power. Around this time the Marley were able to grab the power of 7 of the titan forms for themselves due to the absence of the founding titan's abilities to maintain Eldia's control. This struggle was the Great Titan War and it turned the tides of power in Marley's favor. The Eldians on Paradis were protected however due to their massive army of titans hidden within the walls(basically a deterrence to unleash upon the world in the event they are attacked by Marley).

Marley eventually began to exile people to Paradis and use titan spinal fluid injections to turn them into titans so to keep the Eldians within the walls contained. Eventually after Grisha(Eren's father) is betrayed by his own son Zeke(now the Beast Titan) he also gets exiled, but just before he is to be turned into a mindless titan an undercover Eldian operative who has the power of the Attack Titan(the titan form Eren now uses) saves him by killing all the Marley soldiers. He gives Grisha the power of the Attack Titan because his life is almost over(titan shifters only have 13 years to live after they obtain a titan form). Grisha starts a family and has a son within the walls, eventually injects Eren with titan serum after the death of Eren's mother, and has mindless titan Eren eat him to obtain the power of the Attack Titan. The Colossal Titan, Armored Titan, Female Titan, and eventually the Beast Titan during this time have begun an operation to infiltrate the walls and bring the final titan forms off the island(of course this fails big time and results in Marley actually losing some of their titan powers, Female and Colossal).

After the timeskip we see Marley struggling to maintain warfare superiority in a world where titan power is finally becoming irrelevant in the face of technological advances. They've lost titan forms and have lost the edge in battle against new anti-titan weaponry. All the while word from Paradis island has been silent for years...

I'm sure I've missed something important but that's the gist of it(if anyone else could chime in to add or correct something here that would be appreciated), a lot of backstory and the answers to most of the series big questions have happened since the basement reveal.
 

StarVigil

Member
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Thank you!
 

Zoe

Member
I'm sure I've missed something important but that's the gist of it(if anyone else could chime in to add or correct something here that would be appreciated), a lot of backstory and the answers to most of the series big questions have happened since the basement reveal.
You forgot that Grisha tried to appeal to the royal family (the real one, not the fake installed by the government) after the wall breach, but they wouldn't listen so he ate the founding titan.
 
You forgot that Grisha tried to appeal to the royal family (the real one, not the fake installed by the government) after the wall breach, but they wouldn't listen so he ate the founding titan.

Yeah, that small flashback tells us that the story as Rod Reiss told it to Eren and Historia might not be 100% accurate
 

DarkKyo

Member
You forgot that Grisha tried to appeal to the royal family (the real one, not the fake installed by the government) after the wall breach, but they wouldn't listen so he ate the founding titan.

Ahh thank you I knew I had forgotten something important, so yeah Eren has been in possession of 2/9 of the titan powers since the start of the series.

So what have Eren and company been doing for 4 years?

Perhaps honing Armin's titan form and preparing for war? At the very least they have completely retaken the entire island.

Another thing I'm really excited to see is what they've been up to tech-wise. If they are going the route where they actually want to use the Founding Titan ability to control titans I bet they have made some interesting advancements both in technology(I imagine Hange has been hard at work on advancing their own titan sciences) and in battle strategy.
 

LogicStep

Member
Wow thanks a lot for the summary. I have been reading the whole time and right around when they got to the basement is when I felt completely lost.
 

DarkKyo

Member
Thank you!
Wow thanks a lot for the summary. I have been reading the whole time and right around when they got to the basement is when I felt completely lost.

No problem! I've been reading the manga since the first season aired years ago and I also needed to read up on everything post-basement to really understand everything. There's a lot of vital info earlier in the story that makes more sense once you know the world's backstory, so I had to look at a ton of the wikia articles to connect everything myself.

Tomorrow is the episode, I can't wait to see how the season 2 thread reacts and how its executed in the anime!
 

Hypron

Member
Tomorrow is the episode, I can't wait to see how the season 2 thread reacts and how its executed in the anime!

Yeah I'm super excited about it too. I think it'd have been even better without last week's episode's preview. The reveal kinda hits you out of nowhere (even though it makes sense considering the circumstances).
 
The anime nailed the reveal for me, fantastic. The soundtrack was also beautiful this episode.

This season is shaping up to be fantastic. The pacing issues of the previous season have been resolved too.

I worry for the reception to the next arcs adaptation, however. I really hope people stick with it as what comes after, as we all know, has been enthralling to say the least.
 
I wonder why he revealed it like he did in the manga, so anti-climatic, all the info casually revealed in one panel, framing them in the distance like it wasn't a big deal, so weird.
 

dani_dc

Member
I wonder why he revealed it like he did in the manga, so anti-climatic, all the info casually revealed in one panel, framing them in the distance like it wasn't a big deal, so weird.

It transmits to the reader the intended emotions for the situation, confusion and disbelief.

I remember moving to the next page and going "Wait what? What?" and having to go back, and seeing reactions today it's seems to be that the general reaction tends to be the same.
 

kirblar

Member
I think getting to the ".....I just wanted to see what's in that basement....." panel helps a lot, because it makes it clear that some of the narrative/pacing choices have been deliberately trolling people in order to set up that exact moment and have the audience emphasize with Erwin.
 
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