ZSaberLink
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Normally you'd think so, but given the weird decisions companies make at times, I'm not so sure. I think the bigger driving factor will be if things sell well on it. First, more third parties need to try that.
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Normally you'd think so, but given the weird decisions companies make at times, I'm not so sure. I think the bigger driving factor will be if things sell well on it. First, more third parties need to try that.
I guess I can ask here,
has there been any indication that Square Enix will indeed have a PS4 version of their Final Fantasy Dissidia arcade game?
i wonder if Japan will care for that.
I know I would, I loved the first dissidia, but had to pass on the 2nd one cause it was too time consuming
has there been any indication that Square Enix will indeed have a PS4 version of their Final Fantasy Dissidia arcade game?
i wonder if Japan will care for that.
I know I would, I loved the first dissidia, but had to pass on the 2nd one cause it was too time consuming
Edge_Maverick
Member
They are working on it and it'll include a Story Mode as well
http://gematsu.com/2017/02/dissidia-final-fantasy-console-will-story-mode-enhancements
ArchedThunder
Banned
Nowadays not anymore. With mobile rising, there is not even a need for company to fully focus on traditional gaming market anymore.
That doesn't mean they want it to disappear altogether.
I agree. But there is simply zero urgency to being the first venture on the new platform. Now there is simply no need to take the risk being guinea pig. As Mobile can help companies too.
They are working on it and it'll include a Story Mode as well
http://gematsu.com/2017/02/dissidia-final-fantasy-console-will-story-mode-enhancements
cool! thanks, will have to think it through whether I'll play and commit to it when it releases... story mode and completing the game was REALLY time consuming.
I think japanese gamers will sooner or later realize (I actually think switch is the wake up call) they are putting themselves in a dead-end corner favoring mobile and neglecting/rejecting everything else. There has to be a market for which the mobile experience is not enough, one that needs to be served with better hardware and software, but that fits their daily needs accordingly too
This is where Nintendo switch says "hi, I am the video game experience you actually want, on the go and simple, like your mobile, just a million times better. Quit using your damn finger for those stupid candy games and play video games for real".
we'll see how that goes
I don't think that will happen soon
299$
Greenlight Phoenix Wright, Puzzle & Dragons, Layton and Etrian Odyssey games right n... oh wait.
Japanese don't typically buy their consoles using dollars.
They use Rupees to buy consoles
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Switch looks like its going to do great, but as far as mobile games losing popularity and the dedicated market growing?......i dont see that happening.
"Epic"
The weather has been really nice this golden week, so everyone is out playing.
yeah I don't expect PS2/DS kind of numbers soon but I think switch is going to be the first time the bulk of the japenese gamers (including those millions who only play on phones) are going to give a dedicated piece of video game hardware a fair chance from the get go
the 3DS, the only real survivor of the mobile massacre, had to be the successor to the most successful handheld in history, needed to have several pokemons, animal crossing, 2 main marios, main monster hunter exlusive, and yokai watches, only to name a few juggernauts, to make people care.
Switch doesn't have those games yet, only a main mario game has been announced and people are interested, right now. In a way, initial reaction to switch reminds of the good old days when people used to care for gaming hardware without ridiculous ammounts of convincing needed.
maybe it's because they're too busy fighting each other at that Mario Kart mega-hit thread
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Roof-top parties I bet.
I think it will sell well, for a normal console............. and that's it,I don't expect any game changer moment in the future, at least until the end of this generation
Herb Alpert
Banned
I still don't know if this thread is either hilarious or pathetic.
I'd rather watching people fighting for exclusives than watching something like that lol
We said this in the run up to the Switch reveal and release but even if Japanese third parties had/have reservations what is the alternative, slowly wait for the walls to close in and suffocate you?
If you're a console publisher depending on domestic sales your options are a lot more limited now than they were five years ago.
If you're a console publisher depending on domestic sales your options are a lot more limited now than they were five years ago.
Japanese companies are notoriously over cautious, and very curious of how the outside (America) reacts to their products since their economy heavily relies on exports. Their companies mostly also run a tight ship which means they have to work hard for money to get allocated to their department, which for many only comes in April.
Remember that the current other consoles had no where this much Japanese support at their launch.
Are we talking video games or home console games. Because if you are releasing your game on PS4 and Xbox you probably aren't aiming for Japan only. Smartphone however the biggest market is probably still Japan.
but what about making as much money as they do in the west while earning a far bigger chunk of money in their home country, that's far better than only focusing their games to the west
Pretty much any/every series that has released on Vita/3DS relies on domestic sales. Even if those sales are a smaller piece of the pie than foreign sales they are still important.
It will still be big, the thing that's probably going to change soon is how competitive it will be for Japanese mobile developers:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1369096
So either those Japanese companies will continue competing domestically for people's yen or they'll start expanding overseas to improve their revenue.
We know for example that Fate/Grand Order game is finally coming to the west, just US though? I can't remember.
PS4's first year releases were absolutely dreadful, indeed. Wii U even worse. Probably, the last consoles that had better luck with first year's releases have been 3DS and Vita (both of them getting over 60 retail games from Japanese third party publishers until their first post-launch Holiday). It's true that those were different times, since the digital store's presence wasn't as strong as it is today, even in Japan, but the difference still can't be ignored.
As already said by KtSlime, Japanese companies are traditionally slow to release games on brand new consoles, overcautioness indeed. But if Switch keeps on selling well everywhere, the support will come. We've already witnessed some early glimpses of this, especially from Koei Tecmo.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Kind of weird to lump PS2 in there for the Japanese. The 3DS outsold the PS2 in Japan. The problem was the West, where the DS & PS2 sold much much more than the 3DS did (like in the Americas wasn't it like 50M for DS/PS2 vs 20M 3DS?). The DS (32M+) was a monster sales-wise in Japan though.
People in Japan started caring after hearing about Monster Hunter 4, the pricecut, and the MH3G, Mario 3D Land, and Mario Kart 7 trio. Thanks to that it sold over 4M in its first year, and Animal Crossing the next year did wonders. Given by 2 years it already outsold nearly every other console currently on the market in those 2 years (4M + 5.6M) I wouldn't say "no one cared". Japanese devs continued to generally support the 3DS, while Western publishers totally ignored the device.
In some ways, the first step will be getting the Japanese third parties on board. They have fewer choices, and the Switch form factor is very appealing. On the other hand, the Western support will be interesting. Switch is technically a hybrid and is currently pretty popular around the world, so hopefully those devs start putting out some games on Switch. We'll see though.
Jon Carter
Member
Epic like a PS4-exclusive Monster Hunter 5? Or the feel of playing a game like FF7R on the subway?
yeah, something like that, or vita 2 rumors, direct rumors,etc
About 40 million outside of Japan is not that bad. It just slowed down faster than its predecessors.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Lookin good so far. People are excited about Nintendo again. Gotta wonder how much Pokemon Go and their other mobile games have to do with this. I dont think you can say its all Zelda/Mario Kart because those games are available on Wii U, and nobody cares about the Wii U.
Or maybe i was just underestimating the demand for a quality handheld.
40 million is good, but not great, in my opinion, it lacked the attraction to the western market like the ds did, it didn't even sell tremendously well like the switch right now in its prime
More like 45m now. Xbox One would kill for those numbers.
AdventureRacing
Member
The difference is in Japan the 3DS sold amazingly well. It did drop from the DS but the drop wasn't nearly as severe as the rest of the world.
Handhelds in general just tanked hard during the later years in the West as the interest dropped down on those. It still remains the current leader in total hardware sales this gen with only the PS4 as the closest competitor right now, so it's not that bad. Plus, 1st party software sales still sold really well in the West even last year with Pokemon SM leading the way.
It sold really well in Japan but also tanked hard the last few years.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
That's because it ate up near entirely what remained of the PSP's userbase while the Vita was left with the scraps. It did not maage to do that in the rest of the world (probably because the PSp was so closesly tied to games like MH which still remained popular long after it's death, there's nothing really similar for the rest of the world.
Overall the Handheld market went through a gigantic shrink. The switch will probably try to eat into what's left of the PSV 3DS and wii u userbase.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Looks like a nice chunk of the PS4 as well, it was doing 25-30k, now its below 20k.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Do you think the Xbox One will slow down to the point where it would not be attainable to sell 15-20 million more units in the next 3 1/2 years? Lol
Principate
Saint Titanfall
How would we even know either way Microsoft doesn't release numbers and for good reason.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
XB1 will likely reach those numbers.
? XB1 will easily reach that, it's been selling about 10 million a year if the numbers are to be believed (they're not official), so it'll easily reach 45 million.
Edit: Not at all sure about the 10 million a year, numbers I based it on were not from an even slightly reliable source.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Probably somewhere close [robably arpund up to 10 million more or a few million less. Depends how much the PS4 eats into it. They tend to do really poorly in none primarily english speaking countries and places like that are where late gen growth tend to come from as both the PS4 and XB1 have peaked in unit sales for a while now.
The Abominable Snowman
Member
Well we should know better either way to assume they will sink to 5M a year or less outside of Japan. They're doing well.
Jon Carter
Member
He's talking about selling 45 million outside of their respective domestic markets (Japan for 3DS, the US for the Xbox One). Will the Xbox One sell 45 million units outside of the United States? I doubt that too.
Hellraider
Member
What numbers?