Cow Mengde
Banned
It's really that intensive!? Shit, maybe from now on, we need to ask if the GPU can run Snake Pass instead of Crysis.
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Switch dev talk - How Epic got in touch with Nintendo, future updates details, more
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It's really that intensive!? Shit, maybe from now on, we need to ask if the GPU can run Snake Pass instead of Crysis.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Digital Foundry, that run a full analysis of the game, said it was CPU intensive. Neogaf poster Skyzard, who played the game and is an expert, says it's not.
Who to believe? Damn this post truth world!
OfficerRaichu15
Member
GTAV released the on the 360 and PS3 the Switch is much closer to an Xbox one than those so it can definitely run GTAV...
Principate
Saint Titanfall
TBF though how many of those exactly are Japanese and UE4.
In regard to Code Vein I think it may come (though I wouldn't bet on it). Namco seems to be cagey about the switch in general and I feel like for some of their 2018+ games they may bother to start porting a few to test the sales potential. Which is why I think there's a small chance they maybe deciding to port it.
Most of Nintendo's EPD-made games use their own internal engines, they don't really have a need to use UE4. Perhaps HAL Laboratories or Intelligent Systems could use UE4, but I wouldn't expect anything from Nintendo EPD using the engine.
I thought the PS4 pro did 1080p and 60fps for snake pass?
Sure the snake has weight and friction and it might not be as simple as Mario but compared to something like GTA or other bigger games, I'm not convinced.
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I hope so.
Fredrik
Member
Snake Pass PS4 vs Nintendo Switch
https://youtu.be/2w1JLCCrZfk
It really is a remarkable Switch game, both Epic and obviously Sumo Digital deserve some serious respect and not the strange downplaying seen in this thread.
https://youtu.be/2w1JLCCrZfk
It really is a remarkable Switch game, both Epic and obviously Sumo Digital deserve some serious respect and not the strange downplaying seen in this thread.
Skittzo0413
Member
So the Switch export button is real?
As someone who has used UE4 a bit for hobby projects, yes, the "push button to port" is definitely a thing with UE4. It doesn't take into account debugging and optimization, but it truly is as easy as hitting a button to create a Switch build of a UE4 game.
Yeah I saw that, pretty impressive. UE4 Switch games are going to look very nice.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
It's not even about need, why would they even want to use it keep in mind that's a percentage of their revenue they're giving to Epic here. There's a reason why so many publishers pushed for internal engines at the end of last gen/beginning of this gen. Engine creation, support and use amongst many developers isn't an easy task so many decided to use third party engines (*cough* Square Enix *cough*)
It's not "much closer" to an Xbox One than those, but that doesn't change the fact that it can certainly run GTA V much better than PS360.
Edit: Actually, scratch that. I should read the full source I quote.
Ah, you're correct. However the fact that they can even reach semi-parity with the PS4 version in terms of framerate should show that the CPU isn't as horribly underpowered and the game isn't as easy to run as you think they are.
You're also forgetting perhaps the biggest reason for why GTAV would 100% be able to run: Breath of the Wild. Yes, at launch it dropped frames, but after the patch the Switch version is able to run at a near-constant 30fps with many, many more CPU calculations happening at once than even a lot of PS4 games out there. It also runs at 900p compared to the sub-720p seen on PS3 and 360, and don't forget that the last-gen versions of GTAV rarely kept a locked 30fps, if at all.
Basically. There are seemingly more "the Switch handles x well" threads than new game threads.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Games take time, especially when they started fairly recently most likely and are Japanese.... Was inevitable.
Lol, reminds me of that guy that always trolls in Nintendo threads, especially Switch threads, says that Nintendo would in no way touch the code of BotW one month out, so Nintendo MUST have downgraded the graphics in order to get better framerate. Despite tons of people saying nothing nothing was downgraded. There are a lot of armchair analysts, CEOs and devs here, that's for sure.
PdotMichael
Banned
Why was that inevitable?
Neither the Tegra X1 nor the Unreal engine were some unkown factors. It's disturbing how Nintendo couldn't get third party support right from the beginning.
*Used to troll. RIP
primasaurus
Member
And doing all that with up to 16 watts of power, the architecture is slick
Given the epic failure of Wii U, I would argue it was expected.
I don't completely buy that argument to be honest, in regards to JP support. Nintendo went to third parties with essentially a new handheld that can support pretty much any engine/game they make and they decided to wait it out almost completely. Something was messed up there.
PdotMichael
Banned
Nintendo still had the most successful system on the Japanese market.
The main reason why we don't see some stunning third party support is that developement costs are now exceeding the possibilities of many Japanese devs. It's a trend we have already seen after moving from NDS/PSP to 3DS/Vita.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Have a look at the PS4's first year in Japan, it was a waseland in terms of software support. Unless they planned to support it from the onset Japanese developers are slow to support a platform. Clearly they weren't planning on supporting switch from the onset.
Mobile is where most major developers attention is and for the west the PS4 is the main avenue. Unless your AAA with domestic interest the switch as 3DS successor didn't seem to mean much to you.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I hear that if you keep repeating that the indies working on UE and Unity titles for the switch will just vanish in a cloud of black smoke. It's true.
Oh with Japan I think things are definitely in the works and you can see the writing on the wall. Japanese 3rd parties never move very quickly. Was talking more about the West.
I don't think that's the reason either. Vita/PS4 have more support than the 3DS despite the fact that they are surely more expensive to develop for and if they're not then Switch presumably isn't either.
That comparison is fake, or a misrepresentation.
Pokemaniac
Member
This is how stuff like Unreal or Unity has worked​ for a while. Lots of people just have skewed expectations of how much effort goes into porting based on really outdated development practices.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
PS4 didn't start that way though. The PS4 had extremely poor Japanese support initially outside of the odd title. Wasn't until it was confirmed to be a major success in the west that most of the others started to develop heavily for it. At the beginning it was mostly western faced Japanese companies and western developers.
frankie_baby
Member
Does anyone know how UE4 and its port to switch switch handles fp16 stuff? Does it automatically use fp16 when it can or is does it have to be done as a manual optimisation?
PdotMichael
Banned
Well, there is a significant market outside of Japan for VITA/PS4 games - not even including getting the game on Steam is way easier.
But the reality is that there is no untapped group of devs which would suddenly start developing games for Switch because of the UE support - doesn't help that the UE license for commercial games is quite expensive as well.
Is it? Is it not just badly optimized?
We're seeing a lot of positive talk so far, which is definitely better than 3DS and Wii U were treated, but it still remains to be seen what it actually amounts to. Even DQXI is still in limbo and we're seeing stuff announced for quite far away that are still skipping Switch.
True but PS4 had a lot more announced for the future. Nintendo has no real roadmap laid out for third party support on Switch, there's only a handful of third party games with release dates right now(Seiken Densetsu, Fate/Extella, Ultra Street Fighter 2).
Again, just look back at PS4's first year. Japanese support wasn't nearly as good as you are remembering.
Yep, same as Omega Force games, are so damn intensive that often run bad on high end PCs.
Jaded Alyx
Member
I think Digital Foundry tend to know what they are talking about.
Every major publisher is using UE4 in Japan and even small pubs like NIS are starting to.
I'd still say it was more positive than what we know for Switch so far. A late port of DQXI doesn't compare to FFXV and KH3 announcements and Yakuza is bigger than anything else announced for Switch.
EDIT:
No, despite the fact the PS4 version was the lead platform Sumo totally botched it and the Switch SKU they spent two months on ended up being the most optimised. You don't know what you're talking about.
Jonneh3003
Banned
Lazy devs!
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I mean the PS4 wasn't great either in that regards most of it's initial announced support took years to come out or was vapourware (where's deep down). There's a reason why SE stood out in terms of initial support.
Its not about tech. Its about investment and licencing though
I still yet to believe these UE4 is so good engine/it scales too great comments. I played a few UE4 games on my laptop which is fairly stronger then Switch and it all had problems. I still think UE4 have problems with low end next gen systems.
Street Fighter 5, Snake pass were examples. I have yet to try Gears 4 or Tekken 7 though.
Other engines scales so much better namely Frostbite or Ubisoft games etc
Street Fighter 5, Snake pass were examples. I have yet to try Gears 4 or Tekken 7 though.
Other engines scales so much better namely Frostbite or Ubisoft games etc
Skittzo0413
Member
I wonder how much of that is due to Nintendo not wanting to announce games that are too far out. That might extend to third party games too.
It really is that easy. It's more like lazy publishers to be honest.
Although optimizations aren't the easiest and quickest things to do, but if a developer wanted to make a quick and dirty Switch build of a UE4 game they could do that in days.
You keep beating that dead horse, buddy.
Zombegoast
Member
Rime as well which is being handled by Tantalus.
OT, but I still laugh that half the shit from that Sony 201t pres conference still isn't even close to out (afaict?) Ff7, kh3, shenumi 3? I guess the last guardian came out.
But I really doubt the switch does half as well. I love Nintendo, but... I have no real hope for them.
The post you made I was responding too specifically made a point about Switch Japanese support not having many concrete release dates. You seem to be shifting your argument to get to the point you keep repeating day after day.
Again, look at PS4's Japanese 3rd party support after one year. Before DQ Heroes released essentially a year after launch, the biggest 3rd party Japanese game sales wise was Yakuza Ishin ( 134K) and MSG Ground Zeroes (170K).
I find it pretty likely Switch will clear that bar.
Jaded Alyx
Member
What resolution were you playing at? What settings? There are ways to make games run better. Snake Pass we know is a very demanding game and yet there it is, running on the Switch.
The only third party game currently announced for this year that I could see hitting 170k is DQX, but even that is doubtful IMO(especially considering the PS4 launches first).
Buggy Loop
Member
Positive Nintendo thread?
Skyzard & Oregano right on time! It's clockwork accuracy, you can predict their arrival just like the sun rising up.
Skyzard & Oregano right on time! It's clockwork accuracy, you can predict their arrival just like the sun rising up.