Support NeoGAF

[demosthenes]

David's gonna crash an Engineer ship on LV-426 with a hold full of eggs he created out of the colonists on the Covenant.

David being the Jockey is where this series is now pointing.

Final prequel is an alien getting loose on the ship (maybe a couple) and he ends up being killed by them?

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I really dislike that this seems to be exactly where the series is headed. I think it may retroactively ruin some of Alien for me. The mystery of this huge fossilized alien pilot thing carrying a ship full of deadly eggs that become this monstrous space demon gets answered in a terrible way.

I'd agree...if it weren't so easy to ignore. It's clear Scott's making this shit up as he goes and it's obvious none of this was intended when Alien was created. As such, I can happily ignore all those bullshit since (besides Aliens, the one and true proper sequel)

 

[duckroll]

I'd agree...if it weren't so easy to ignore. It's clear Scott's making this shit up as he goes and it's obvious none of this was intended when Alien was created. As such, I can happily ignore all those bullshit since (besides Aliens, the one and true proper sequel)

I'm... not sure why any of that matters. I mean that's how stories are generally made. They are made up as writers write. Very few things are "planned from the start" and even those which are were not planned in the exact way they end up from the start. The problem isn't that Alien prequels are made up stuff which weren't considered when Alien was made. The problem is that the stories they made up for Alien prequels just suck.

 

[watershed]

Final prequel is an alien getting loose on the ship (maybe a couple) and he ends up being killed by them?

In theory he would have to get exposed to a facehugger since that's how the original space jockey seems to have died. So I imagine in the next movie David somehow gets involved with more space faring humans, they figure out he's on his way to Earth to kill all of mankind, one of them springs a facehugger on him before being killed and David, knowing he's gonna die tries to reach Earth before he kicks the can but doesn't make it and the chestburster ends up killing him and the ship crashes where we find it in Aliens.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

I was listening to the /filmcast review this, and David Chen mentioned that he thought Alien: Covenant actually made Prometheus a better movie. I'm... not sure what to think of that. His argument that it deepened the themes of that film I can see, but it treats the mysteries of Prometheus and, of course, Shaw with borderline disdain. I imagine someone who actually Prometheus for that reason would be have a hard time going back to it if they knew where it led to with Covenant. What does everyone else think of that?

This is a bit more ranty, but I've felt a larger disconnect with a lot of critics that I enjoy reading when it comes to Covenant than any flick in quite some time. Matt Zoller Seitz, god bless him, I think is crazily off the mark. But he does at least admit in his review that he's probably blinded to the film's faults.

 

[duckroll]

I don't have any fundamental problems with Shaw's fate in Covenant. I also think that thematically, David wiping out the creators of humanity and becoming a creator of new life himself, makes sense. I don't think Covenant is a good film, nor does it execute the themes and ideas particularly well, but I don't think it makes Prometheus a worse film. But I also don't feel that it really advances the mythology of the Engineers or the mysteries of Prometheus in any meaningful way.

 

[Conkersbadfurday]

I was listening to the /filmcast review this, and David Chen mentioned that he thought Alien: Covenant actually made Prometheus a better movie. I'm... not sure what to think of that. His argument that it deepened the themes of that film I can see, but it treats the mysteries of Prometheus and, of course, Shaw with borderline disdain. I imagine someone who actually Prometheus for that reason would be have a hard time going back to it if they knew where it led to with Covenant. What does everyone else think of that?

This is a bit more ranty, but I've felt a larger disconnect with a lot of critics that I enjoy reading when it comes to Covenant than any flick in quite some time. Matt Zoller Seitz, god bless him, I think is crazily off the mark. But he does at least admit in his review that he's probably blinded to the film's faults.

The big back-and-forth with Prometheus was that all of this questioning was vapid bullshit with no answers. It was Lindeloff being Lindeloff.

Alien: Covenant basically says that line of thinking is true. It shits on all of the questions and characters. It stops a journey dead in its tracks.

I still love Prometheus. I still think the questions it asked held some kind of off screen meaning. I don't think it was vapid, even if it's hard to prove the contrary.

But this movie does its predecessor no favors at all. I can separate the two, but for those that can't, I can see this hurting the former. It certainly doesn't make it better.

I'm... not sure why any of that matters. I mean that's how stories are generally made. They are made up as writers write. Very few things are "planned from the start" and even those which are were not planned in the exact way they end up from the start. The problem isn't that Alien prequels are made up stuff which weren't considered when Alien was made. The problem is that the stories they made up for Alien prequels just suck.

Yeah. Most writers just go with the flow. Or maybe not most but some. Doesn't matter.

The problem with Alien: Covenant is that Scott was making shit up as he went and not thinking about the other movies in the franchise and what he was doing to them. I just don't know how anyone can look at the Alien and think, "Giving this thing an origin story will make Alien better!" because it fucking won't. It's like breaking horror rule 1. Don't explain the monster. It's not scary when you know exactly what it is.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I'm... not sure why any of that matters. I mean that's how stories are generally made. They are made up as writers write. Very few things are "planned from the start" and even those which are were not planned in the exact way they end up from the start. The problem isn't that Alien prequels are made up stuff which weren't considered when Alien was made. The problem is that the stories they made up for Alien prequels just suck.

It matters to the extent that none of Scott had none of this in mind for the original movie, so I can rewatch it without having to consider at all whether the plot points of these latest piles of shit were truly the original intention. Whether or not " that's how stories are generally made" only strengths that resolve.

As for the problem being that the movies suck. Well yeah, hence my post. That's the precise problem

 

[Bobby Roberts]

This is a bit more ranty, but I've felt a larger disconnect with a lot of critics that I enjoy reading when it comes to Covenant than any flick in quite some time. Matt Zoller Seitz, god bless him, I think is crazily off the mark. But he does at least admit in his review that he's probably blinded to the film's faults.

The last time Seitz went this full-on for a film that had obvious problems was Superman Returns.

He was talking about "My colleagues shit-talking Covenant now will be pitching thinkpieces about how underrated it is"

I was like "I wondered if that was gonna happen w/ Prometheus after 2 to 3 years. It didn't"

And he was like "OH No! It did! I've seen three in major publications this say just that this week!"

I mean, I think the fact there were only three, all on the same weekend the new movie comes out says that even in the face of cake opportunistic freelance paychecks, people aren't really feeling that particular narrative.

Then again, even Alien 3 has gotten a small critical reappraisal in the last 25 years, and this movie cribs a LOT from that one. So maybe he'll be right about Covenant getting a second chance once people twig to the nightmare logic Frankenstein riffs that spoke to Seitz.

But I don't know. Again - people said the same shit about Prometheus, and some even managed to hold out their hope that the sequel would vindicate them.

 

[duckroll]

It matters to the extent that none of Scott had none of this in mind for the original movie, so I can rewatch it without having to consider at all whether the plot points of these latest piles of shit were truly the original intention. Whether or not " that's how stories are generally made" only strengths that resolve.

As for the problem being that the movies suck. Well yeah, hence my post. That's the precise problem

I don't even think it matters what Scott thought when making Alien itself. Only what he put into the film. It's the same stupid argument with Blade Runner. Authorial intent means nothing beyond what the work itself says.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I don't even think it matters what Scott thought when making Alien itself. Only what he put into the film. It's the same stupid argument with Blade Runner. Authorial intent means nothing beyond what the work itself says.

The author's intent comes through in their work abd subsequent information can reframe how you perceive things. Ergo, were the latest movies competent and logically consistent, it'd be much harder (for me at least) to ignore them as considerations for the backstory of Alien. Of course, were the latest two movies actually competent and logically consistent, I might not even be inclined to ignore them in the first place.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I don't like Prometheus but I also dont think pretending to ignore it's existence is worth the effort, either.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I don't like Prometheus but I also dont think pretending to ignore it's existence is worth the effort, either.

It's refreshingly easy. Especially considering I actually had forgotten about it until Alien: Covenant, through no conscious effort. Though I'm not sure why you care what I choose to ignore or not

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It's refreshingly easy.

It can't be that easy because even with your attempts to pretend it never happened you have to keep talking about it with everyone else who knows it was real and watched it along with you.

It's way easier to just acknowledge that it's a bad movie in a series that has a more than a few bad movies in it.

There are shockingly few movies/movie series (I'd argue zero, myself) so important that one has to devote time/energy to pretending they never happened in order to right some sort of cosmic imbalance caused by its badness.

It's just a shitty movie.

I dont' care if you pretend to ignore it or not, I just said I don't think it's worth the effort.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

It can't be that easy because even with your attempts to pretend it never happened you have to keep talking about it with everyone else who knows it was real and watched it along with you.

I wasn't arguing about ignoring Prometheus, but its connection to Alien. So it's entirely possible to discuss the movie and its sequel, without even thinking twice about it while rewatching Alien

Not sure why you'd reply in the first place if you truly didn't care, but whatever. Agree to disagree

 

[Jarmel]

I'm... not sure why any of that matters. I mean that's how stories are generally made. They are made up as writers write. Very few things are "planned from the start" and even those which are were not planned in the exact way they end up from the start. The problem isn't that Alien prequels are made up stuff which weren't considered when Alien was made. The problem is that the stories they made up for Alien prequels just suck.

I feel that it matters on the skill of the writer. Some can just make shit up as they go along and not only will the story be riveting but the writer is good enough to use cues in ways they originally didn't intend. Then you have writers who just don't have that skill and need things to be planned out otherwise they just fall apart. In the case of this new whatever, Lindelof and Scott had no fucking clue what they were doing and so when it was time to build off of that, Scott presumably just threw it all down the drain because he doesn't have a clear direction for the material. In which case it might be better for him to do a soft-reset with Covenant and flat out tell you that you're not getting those answers and to move on.

 

[jstevenson]

I didn't think you could make an Alien movie worse than Resurrection but here we are

 

[duckroll]

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about here anymore. I don't think that for most people, even post-Prometheus and post-Covenant, that going back to Alien is much of a problem regardless of the quality of the prequels. There's no significant effort that needs to be wasted on trying to actively ignore them, considering how disconnected they are from each other.

So David created the Xenomorphs and the Engineers seeded humanity eons ago. So what? None of that really contradicts the events of Alien, nor does Alien suffer in any way with those things known. It's still just a good space horror film about a bunch of people fighting off an unexpected threat they know nothing about.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

i somehow get the strange feeling david is go into super logic and try and make shaw the first alien queen or something or try to attempt that

or that shaw is actually alive and leaves David at some point in their journey to stop him and she becomes a queen herself

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I'm not even sure what we're arguing about here anymore. I don't think that for most people, even post-Prometheus and post-Covenant, that going back to Alien is much of a problem regardless of the quality of the prequels..

Sure. Which is why I only ever was discussing on behalf of myself

So David created the Xenomorphs and the Engineers seeded humanity eons ago. So what? None of that really contradicts the events of Alien, nor does Alien suffer in any way with those things known. It's still just a good space horror film about a bunch of people fighting off an unexpected threat they know nothing about...

It doesn't contradict it; it stupefied it. Much of the horror of the original lied in the unknown.

 

[Jarmel]

i somehow get the strange feeling david is go into super logic and try and make shaw the first alien queen or something or try to attempt that

Shaw is disembowled and left on a table. Do you mean Daniels?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Shaw is disembowled and left on a table. Do you mean Daniels?

this isn't exactly true, is it, though? it's been 10 years since Prometheus disappeared so i'm sure ridley scott can come up with some fuckery as to how shaw survives either with engineer help or not

like, the alien queen will come from somewhere

 

[Jotakori]

Just got back from seeing this.

I'd say the movie was alright but not great. I'm one of those weirdos who actually super loved Prometheus, so I was excited for a continuation but I don't like what they did with David and Shaw so it overall dampened my feelings for this film. I think the overall story they told was fine, and I am okay with it in the context of the Alien series as a whole, though.

But in general, I didn't like how they did characterization in this film. I felt like no one really had a distinct personality so it resulted in me having absolutely no attachment to anyone. While in Prometheus I absolutely loved David, in this I really didn't care for the god-complex route they took him. I liked not-necessarily-bad-just-overly-curious (imo) David, and I was mega into the idea of him and Shaw doing something cool together in another movie. But no, instead he has to dissect her then decide to breed hyper-aggressive aliens and kill off all humans or something I guess FFFF
I also thought not wearing helmets in a foreign world that might have who knows what for strange contaminants was pretty friggin' dumb. Also when the captain just followed David and did what he said even after discovering the one girl dead and David having a Moment with the alien. Shook my head a bit at those scenes.

I did like seeing the home world of the Engineers, though, and the brief glimpse we get into their world. I thought the setting was pretty cool, too, and I liked the eeriness of it.
Ultimately I don't think it was a bad movie just not all that good or memorable imo. Kinda meh and not anything I'll wanna rewatch anytime soon.

 

[Jarmel]

this isn't exactly true, is it, though? it's been 10 years since Prometheus disappeared so i'm sure ridley scott can come up with some fuckery as to how shaw survives either with engineer help or not

like, the alien queen will come from somewhere

There is a shot in the movie of Shaw dead on a table. Unless they clone her ass, she's gone.

 

[L4DANathan]

I just got back from seeing this and though it was alright. It didn't add any problems in my mind that Prometheus hadn't already introduced. I feel like if Scott had made this either a distant sequel to the original set of Alien films or it's own franchise, it would have gone much better. I started to like the parallels being drawn between the androids, the Xenomorphs, and humanity near the end of the film, but it gets so diluted by the knowledge of the events of the original Alien. If this and Prometheus was instead them trying to soft reboot Resurrection, with an android autonomously improving the original Alien to be more deadly, I probably would have really liked it. As it stands, between the setting as a prequel, my many issues with Prometheus, and the generally bad writing, it was simply okay.

 

[watershed]

this isn't exactly true, is it, though? it's been 10 years since Prometheus disappeared so i'm sure ridley scott can come up with some fuckery as to how shaw survives either with engineer help or not

like, the alien queen will come from somewhere

She's dead and she's not coming back.

 

[SMG]

this isn't exactly true, is it, though? it's been 10 years since Prometheus disappeared so i'm sure ridley scott can come up with some fuckery as to how shaw survives either with engineer help or not

like, the alien queen will come from somewhere

Wut!?

 

[Subpar Spatula]

There is a shot in the movie of Shaw dead on a table. Unless they clone her ass, she's gone.

well, yeah, she's dead but she's also back in the next one (which seems to be the last of this trilogy). unless they pull daniels back through or it's a half and half type movie, whatever david and shaw do in that 10 years prior sets the stage. for all we know, david had the answers but was marooned there (how did the ship crash?) and lost all his research. for all we know that Shaw is a clone David made from the Engineer's ship (it'd make sense that a race that's all about dat genetic lyfe is able to clone things). shaw could just be a corpse used to get back to the alien egg stage.

we've been told before that what happens next sets the stage. it's reasonable to assume that after covenant that David goes on his way and makes more aliens and then Alien just happens because it seems Weyland Industries knows about them at that point.

 

[Aurongel]

I have a very, very strong feeling that the events and creatures of Aliens will not even be remotely explored going forward. Scott doesn't seem interested in anything outside of Alien, Prometheus and Covenant.

 

[daviyoung]

well, yeah, she's dead but she's also back in the next one (which seems to be the last of this trilogy). unless they pull daniels back through or it's a half and half type movie, whatever david and shaw do in that 10 years prior sets the stage.

Next one is a sequel to Prometheus but a prequel to Covenant

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Next one is a sequel to Prometheus but a prequel to Covenant

well, yeah, that is what i said.

 

[watershed]

Next one is a sequel to Prometheus but a prequel to Covenant

This has to be a joke. Is this what Ridley Scott has said? If so, he's officially off his rocker.

 

[Biggest-Geek-Ever]

like, the alien queen will come from somewhere

I'm guessing those predicting that David is the space jockey from Alien are correct. I'll go even farther and say the chestburster that came out of the space jockey IS the queen, and the reasons the xenos before this film are more mechanical looking is because the queen took characteristics from David's DNA.

Yes, his android DNA.

 

[dcelw540]

I saw it tonight, it was okay. Just felt like a let down. I was hoping for more alien or more of a crew that felt like they we're all close.

Can someone explain the aliens that came from the backs are they modified alien goo or is it just the normal stuff. Since in Prometheus it made you into a zombie. And why did the aliens grow so fast in this one. And how did David make facehugger eggs and the facehuggers in general? I honestly felt lost at times.

 

[Timu]

This has to be a joke. Is this what Ridley Scott has said? If so, he's officially off his rocker.

It's true!

 

[Fj0823]

In theory he would have to get exposed to a facehugger since that's how the original space jockey seems to have died. So I imagine in the next movie David somehow gets involved with more space faring humans, they figure out he's on his way to Earth to kill all of mankind, one of them springs a facehugger on him before being killed and David, knowing he's gonna die tries to reach Earth before he kicks the can but doesn't make it and the chestburster ends up killing him and the ship crashes where we find it in Aliens.

Nah. David will infect himself, he's going to modify himself to be able to give birth to aliens.

This creates the first biomechanical Xeno.

 

[Heshinsi]

That's what made it interesting. The fact that, for all your hardwork and caution, the horrors out in space will still get you. It plays on our cosmic-phobia.

The original Alien crew got a good head on their shoulders, all things considered. It makes their deaths all the more tragic.

When a stupid character acts stupidly, you don't feel a twinge of sadness. You either cheer for when their stupid asses finally get offed or just roll your eyes and count the seconds for when the movie is over.

I'd rather watch a story about a character trying their damndest to survive but still come up short than a group of bumbling buffoons getting picked like they're in a Jason movie.

Perfectly said. With stupid characters you also lose suspense and dread, because it is telegraphed to you a mile away what's going to happen to them. When they come to an alien world and don't wear helmets; when they poke at shit they've never seen before; when they split up; when they follow a person that just told them he is responsible for everything bad happening, into a dark alley; you know exactly what's going to happen, and not only are you not shocked, you're actually thinking, "you damn idiot, what did you expect?"

 

[Tony Redgrave]

It's true!

It's true that he said it.

He also said that he wanted a gazillion more movies in the fanchise but seeing the box office performance it's more likely he'll have to go for one more movie bridging Covenant and Alien, two tops in total for the franchise and that's because he's Sir Ridley Scott.

He did also say that he would be interested in going further in the timeline so it's possible we get a final prequel movie and, if they manage to make it a good film and performs well, we might get a movie set after Resurrection.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Ehhhhhhhhhhh, I'm not sure that holds up. The goo didn't make any xenomorphs in Prometheus, it took someone getting infected, impregnating an uninfected human, and then having that offspring go all facehugger on an Engineer (who are genetically human) to produce something even remotely similar. And I knows it's all made up movies anyway, but the deacon and neomorph are fleshy, mammalian-looking things while the xenomorph clearly has an exoskeletal structure.

I don't think it's a matter of the goo always producing a xenomorph so much as iterating over multiple generations of mutated stock will eventually produce the original organism, or something very close to it (these ones had chest burster phase, for instance).

There was a mural of a similar creature on the engineers ship. The worms had acid blood and turned aggressive like facehuggers. The crewmate mutated into an aggressive creature as well. Shaw's fetal offspring showed the same traits of an face hugger indicating it was by design of the goo. We know this isn't coincidence because the goo turned spores into a parasitic organism that implants hosts that cause an creature to burst forth. At the end of the day the goo will mutate lifeforms down the same parasitic path. Those bugs mutated by the goo David showed off most likely would implant into a host the same resulting in a "morph". Whats makes xenomorph so unique? It is just another variation of probably the countless "morph" creatures that goo will eventually always produce. Producing those morph creatures is a mechanism of the goo microorganism so why should I look at them as separate entities? They're all the same DNA adapting parasite creature.

 

[ultrazilla]

This is my post I put up over at: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2017/05/21/alien-covenant-stalks-us-box-office-36-million/#comments

Probably just me but after watching Alien: Covenant yesterday, I felt more than ever that I wanted to see Sigourney Weaver fighting ALIENS in the Neil Blomkamp proposed film with Hicks an adult Newt and possibly Bishop one last time.

Ridley has let ALIENS influence him so much anyways now(with the xenomorph now super fast) compared to what we see from the xeno in "ALIEN" that he's gone off the track a bit. We get superfast, jumping xenos like we saw in ALIENS but it doesn't make sense backing into "ALIEN" where the xeno is very slow and methodical.

Fox and Scott should just let Blomkamp make his ALIEN film now since these movies seem all over the place now.

I'm probably one of the few who didn't like the neomorph, seeing their lifecycle, who made them, etc. I liked that I thought the Space Jockeys were creatures only to find out it was an engineer suit. I like that in ALIEN we don't know much of anything and that it's ok not to have everything explained to us.

Now it seem Ridley feels he has to tell the entire back story of how the "xenos" came to be and I just don't like it at all. The neomorph communicating with David was laughable. I just man......I really think Scott needs to walk away from the films now.

Really let down by the movie. I honestly think Ridley has lost his touch and should gracefully just walk away at this point. Let James Cameron, Gale Ann Hurd and Sigourney Weaver produce "ALIENS: Revelations"(my hasty title) a.k.a. ALIEN V with Neil Blomkamp directing his "incredible script" for the movie that James Cameron heeped praise on.

https://geektyrant.com/news/sigourney-weaver-and-james-cameron-love-neill-blomkamps-alien-5-script

Sigourney Weaver says

“There is an incredible script by Neill. I didn’t want to do a fifth one. I thought going to earth wouldn’t be fun. I got this script that was amazing and gives fans everything they’re looking for and innovates in ways that became part of the world for me. He has things to do and I have things to do. And I hope that we’ll circle back around to do it once those things are done.”

With James Cameron saying:

“I think it works gangbusters. He shared it with me, and I think it’s a very strong script and he could go make it tomorrow. I don’t know anything about the production, and I don’t know what Ridley [Scott]’s doing. But hopefully there’ll be room for both of them. Like parallel universes.”

Seems like a shame this will most likely never get made now but I'm not giving up hope. It certainly can't be any worse than Prometheus and Alien: Covenant at this point.

 

[Tony Redgrave]

There was a mural of a similar creature on the engineers ship. The worms had acid blood and turned aggressive like facehuggers [...]

I agree with you on the goo. This video explains the goo's properties pretty well, it also fits with the original Alien: Engineers script ideas about the goo (back there a swarm of black scarabs) infusing Fifield with Xenomorph DNA.

Thing is, the Deacon/Neomorph seem to be the ultimate creature the goo will produce by itself, as shown by the mural, which is coherent within the context and timeline of Prometheus. Those creatures might either be an incidental result of the mutations of the xenovirus or an intended 'cleanup' mechanism designed by the Engineers.

Either way, the Xenomorph David designed wouldn't have happened by chance, nor would the virus have produced them down the line. He got two different species, the infected endoparasitary arthropod and the Neomorph and manipulated them so the former would implant a bigger, more inteligent and resistant version of the Neomorph into a host.

So, even though we are right to consider them to be part of the same "family" it is undeniably true that David 'created' a more refined and evolved version which would have never, ever, existed if a super-intelligent A.I. hadn't been performing crossbreeding experiments for a decade. That's a fact.

 

[Mister Wolf]

I agree with you on the goo. This video explains the goo's properties pretty well, it also fits with the original Alien: Engineers script ideas about the goo (back there a swarm of black scarabs) infusing Fifield with Xenomorph DNA.

Thing is, the Deacon/Neomorph seem to be the ultimate creature the goo will produce by itself, as shown by the mural as well which is coherent within the context and timeline of Prometheus. Those creatures might either be an incidental result of the mutations of the xenovirus or an intended 'cleanup' mechanism designed by the Engineers.

Either way, the Xenomorph David designed wouldn't have happened by chance, nor would the virus have produced them down the line. He got two different species, the infected endoparasitary arthropod and the Neomorph and manipulated them so the former would implant a bigger, more inteligent and resistant version of the Neomorph into a host.

So, even though we are right to consider them to be part of the same "family" it is undeniably true that David 'created' a more refined and evolved version which would have never, ever, existed if a super-intelligent A.I. hadn't been performing crossbreeding experiments for a decade. That's a fact.

You're right. The morph David created is the best and best looking. That insect like exoskeleton dna it took from the anthropod makes it very fashionable haha.

 

[Tony Redgrave]

You're right. The morph David created is the best and best looking. That insect like exoskeleton dna it took from the anthropod makes it very fashionable haha.

Believe me, I don't like it one bit more than you do.

At this point I'm just glad there seems to be a semi-logical explanation about all of this and David didn't just conjure the creature out of the goo.

 

[Mister Wolf]

Believe me, I don't like it one bit more than you do.

At this point I'm just glad there seems to be a semi-logical explanation about all of this and David didn't just conjure the creature out of the goo.

In my head canon the Engineers discovered the black goo organism and were like oh shit look at all the good it can do besides being a dna mutating parasite creator. That fits with the the alien movie theme of trying to control something dangerous that cant be controlled. That hologram engineer on Prometheus was running for its life from something. What does your gut say do you think the black goo is naturally occurring or Engineer made? The mural almost seemed like worship to the creature displayed or what it could do.

 

[Guy.brush]

David's gonna crash an Engineer ship on LV-426 with a hold full of eggs he created out of the colonists on the Covenant.

David being the Jockey is where this series is now pointing.

So how did David grow 4 meters tall?
I mean Prometheus already made the dude smaller and barely had him at 3meters, but now it is just regular 2meters size?

 

[CaviarMeths]

I would grieve that cancelled Blomkamp movie a little more if he didn't visit Elysium and Chappie upon us. District 9 was a fluke.

 

[Tony Redgrave]

So how did David grow 4 meters tall?
I mean Prometheus already made the dude smaller and barely had him at 3meters, but now it is just regular 2meters size?

Contrary to popular opinion I doubt that'll be David. The Engineers will probably factor again in the story, even if it's some rogue ship. The creature that'll sprout from the Engineer there will probably be the final antagonist in the prequel series.

They already had some ideas for a full grown Engineer Xenomorph in the original script, they called it the Ultramorph.

What does your gut say do you think the black goo is naturally occurring or Engineer made? The mural almost seemed like worship to the creature displayed or what it could do.

Yeah, that's pretty ambiguous, on the one hand the giant face seemed to indicate the Engineers asserting dominance over the goo -since the ampules looked to be positioned as if they were worshipping the Engineer head- on the other hand they had the mural in a prominent place, and the Deacon wasn't shown as kneeling before the engineers like other lifeforms depicted did.

In the end I don't know if they were worshipping the hybrid or simply extremely proud of their creation.

 

[YesNOnoNOYes]

just saw this

was funner than i thought it was going to be :>

 

[harriet the spy]

okay, I have not seen the movie (and I don't really care to, honestly), but:

They just needed that plot to go away. Here's a fridge logic moment for you: if the engineers were trying to kill humanity but crashed / failed on that planet where Prometheus takes place, how come their homeworld didn't check up on them? Did they forget?

I do remember characters infer that the engineers were planning to wipe out humanity with the black goo -- but I don't remember why they think that. Generally everything around the engineers is kind of murky as fuck. Is the prometheus planet a weapon storage facility (would be the better option, but unclear why they try to leave the planet at the end? and perhaps, why demonstrate such aggressivity towards their creation?)
If it's 'crash site', why are the ships so well aligned?
And if it is a pit stop, what the hell are they waiting for.
Oh yeah and what are the engineers fleeing from in those 'hallucinations'? Why did the door decapitate one of the engineers? If there was a deacon-like creature created by mistake, where the fuck is it, where are the bodies marked with lacerations?

And perhaps my biggest annoyance with it all, but maybe i just don't have good eyesight, why is the mural depicting a xenomorph, if they were created by david? It did not look like a deacon.

 

[ResidentWeevil13]

I do remember characters infer that the engineers were planning to wipe out humanity with the black goo -- but I don't remember why they think that.

David is able to find out where the ships holding the black goo were headed. The engineer's charted course was earth.

So David, Shaw, and Idris Elba assume the ships were headed to earth to deploy the black-goo payload.

As to why the Eningeers wanted to kill humanity, its never said in the movies. Ridley Scott inferred in an interview once it was because humans killed Engineer Jesus...