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We don't know form this MH will take though. I never played MH when it was on PS2 so for many, it will likely be their first exposure to the franchise and they likely won't know what other, more die hard legacy fans are comparing it to. My point is, Sony is smart in getting some type of exclusivity or simply having the game of PS4 it will help them in Japan. It's fine that Nintendo has many franchises to draw upon to appeal to Japanese gamers should they lose some of their userbase to the PS4. I'm just stating that this was a smart move if it is indeed true rather than letting Nintendo have their way in Japan. There are worse ways that Sony can spend its money.

...Would it help them in Japan at all?

The only Monster Hunter game on console that's sold notably well in Japan is Tri on Wii, which was when the Wii was still selling shitloads in Japan, and it still sold a fraction of what all of the handheld versions sold. Why would a console Monster Hunter game changed for the West somehow help the PS4 which is in far worse shape?
 
Wouldn't that be easily debunkable depending if the game is as rumoured or not?

I don't think so, they're not going to put QTE's in a trailer, timers, someone accepting a mission. It's just going to be combat snapshots, shots of some of the monster's you'll be facing, a village. Also, I think open world in 2017 would be a pretty obvious transition.

Words are being used like "internal strife", "panic", "worried", "identity crisis". Like there's no confidence in what's being made, basically it's a comprised game. This won't be evident in a trailer.
 
In Japan or the world over? If you're referring to FFXV, well that game is polarizing already and has been in development limbo for a while. I don't think that's a fair comparison to make. Word of mouth hasn't been too kind for it and there's plenty of quality software to be had. The same can be said of MGSV. There's been negativity surrounding those games and legacy series like those and GT are facing much more quality competition this gen and people are choosing to support other games with their money.

In Japan and as I said it applies to pretty much everything. Yakuza, Tales, Resident Evil, Musou are all down across the board IIRC/AFAIK.
 
The vast, vast majority of PS4 games have declined versus previous games in the same series(Persona 5 being the notable exception) and MH Tri only sold 1.2m. A home console exclusive game isn't going to be big.

I agree with the bolded I guess.

MH Tri sold over a million in japan alone and 700kish in the west by 2010.. so it probably crawled somewhere near 2 million
...Would it help them in Japan at all?

The only Monster Hunter game on console that's sold notably well in Japan is Tri on Wii, which was when the Wii was still selling shitloads in Japan, and it still sold a fraction of what all of the handheld versions sold. Why would a console Monster Hunter game changed for the West somehow help the PS4 which is in far worse shape?

the main reason why MH was successful on PSP and 3DS was due to the local multiplayer aspect of it. that just lacks in the console version and online multiplayer really isnt the same due to latency issues (thats why i believe MH Frontier never really had a chance)
 
...Would it help them in Japan at all?

The only Monster Hunter game on console that's sold notably well in Japan is Tri on Wii, which was when the Wii was still selling shitloads in Japan, and it still sold a fraction of what all of the handheld versions sold. Why would a console Monster Hunter game changed for the West somehow help the PS4 which is in far worse shape?

It also sold a good chunk of that in bargain bins.

MH Tri sold over a million in japan alone and 700kish in the west by 2010.. so it probably crawled somewhere near 2 million

I was talking just Japan but that isn't particularly great when both MH4(JP only), MH4U and MHG(worldwide) all sold over 4 million copies, and 4U and Gen both sold more than Tri in the west.
 
...Would it help them in Japan at all?

The only Monster Hunter game on console that's sold notably well in Japan is Tri on Wii, which was when the Wii was still selling shitloads in Japan, and it still sold a fraction of what all of the handheld versions sold. Why would a console Monster Hunter game changed for the West somehow help the PS4 which is in far worse shape?

I think any type of quality software will help the PS4 in Japan, especially if its a series that's thought of so fondly in Japan as MH. I think a better question would be, why wouldn't it help the PS4 in Japan. I think it's silly to think PS4 sales won't be boosted in Japan if a rumored, exclusive MH5 drops for it. I'm simply stating that anything that could help Sony, will help Sony and whether the rumor is true or not, that's likely Sony's logic or the logic or whomever created this rumor.
 
thats the thing. capcom had already two strands of monster hunter. Monster Hunter Portable.. aka the more succesful ones and Monster Hunter proper the games on console that didnt sell that well (except tri i guess). Monster Hunter 4 basically merged both strands into one which was also a decision due to the lacking capacity of capcom. otherwise they would have made monster hunter on WiiU or PS3&4 and monster hunter portable 4 on 3DS

Ah I forgot about that, for I was under the impression that the PSP games and 3DS 3G where just portable ports of the console games, with a bigger focus on local multiplayer. I may be wrong on that front though, since I've only played 3U myself!

Regardless, I imagine that from what the rumor mentions, having an open world Monster Hunter with simplified combat is a huge change mechanically compared to traditional Monster Hunter games, even though the thing that made them successful in Japan was the local co-op.
 
Rumor is bogus.

Capcom would have to completely overhaul MH to make it an attractive product on PS4/PC. While using PS2 assets for the last decade seemed acceptable for the handheld ecosystem, PvE (player versus environment) has evolved exponentially on the higher end platforms, beyond simply combating monsters. When's the last time Capcom went above/beyond on that scale? Resident Evil 7 was downsized, Street Fighter V is gimped. The company wants its most prized franchise to grow but is either unwilling or unable to do it from the inside out.

Which makes the rumor more likely because exclusivity money reduces the risk of investing into overhaul.
 
Which makes the rumor more likely because exclusivity money reduces the risk of investing into overhaul.

You know what would be less risky than making two separate HD Monster Hunter games for two separate platforms?

Making one HD Monster Hunter game and releasing it on both.
 
Ah I forgot about that, for I was under the impression that the PSP games and 3DS 3G where just portable ports of the console games, with a bigger focus on local multiplayer. I may be wrong on that front though, since I've only played 3U myself!

MHP 1,2 are "ports" i guess. MHP 3rd is its own thing. MH3U is an enhanced version of MH Tri.
Regardless, I imagine that from what the rumor mentions, having an open world Monster Hunter with simplified combat is a huge change mechanically compared to traditional Monster Hunter games, even though the thing that made them successful in Japan was the local co-op.
it would also instantly eliminate the charm of the series. the difficulty is what makes killing even lesser monsters so satisfying.
I was talking just Japan but that isn't particularly great when both MH4(JP only), MH4U and MHG(worldwide) all sold over 4 million copies, and 4U and Gen both sold more than Tri in the west.

thats why i think the rumor is total bogus. the series is doing much better on handhelds so there is little incentive to go on consoles.

its like nintendo ditching handhelds and releasing pokemon on consoles only (well at this point there is no more divide so the comparison is kinda moot i guess).
 
I think any type of quality software will help the PS4 in Japan, especially if its a series that's thought of so fondly in Japan as MH. I think a better question would be, why wouldn't it help the PS4 in Japan. I think it's silly to think PS4 sales won't be boosted in Japan if a rumored, exclusive MH5 drops for it. I'm simply stating that anything that could help Sony, will help Sony and whether the rumor is true or not, that's likely Sony's logic or the logic or whomever created this rumor.

And... I answered that question? PS4 sales and the sales of long running Japanese series are down across the board in Japan, Monster Hunter is primarily known as a portable series with the only console MH to achieve notable success being on the Wii at the height of both the Wii and MonHun cultural zeitgeists in Japan. Japanese consumers aren't robots who will just buy something named Monster Hunter because the name is magical, and if the title is clearly not the Monster Hunter experience that that market wants, then why would they suddenly flock back to a market that they've spurned?
 
In Japan and as I said it applies to pretty much everything. Yakuza, Tales, Resident Evil, Musou are all down across the board IIRC/AFAIK.

Tales games have ranged from hit or miss to middling so buyer confidence likely isn't there, Resident Evil 7 isn't what people were likely anticipating and has been polarizing for fans despite its positive reviews from critics. That added to the fact that fps shooters aren't well received in Japan and I'll wait for DW9 to deem that one to be in a slump. I can't speak on Yakuza because I haven't played that franchise but aren't there localization begging threads on here all the time, and said localization is dependent on sales of the game in Japan? Idk, it just looks like each game is more of the same to me but like I said I've never played it so my opinion on it is irrelevant.
 
And... I answered that question? PS4 sales and the sales of long running Japanese series are down across the board in Japan, Monster Hunter is primarily known as a portable series with the only console MH to achieve notable success being on the Wii at the height of both the Wii and MonHun cultural zeitgeists in Japan. Japanese consumers aren't robots who will just buy something named Monster Hunter because the name is magical, and if the title is clearly not the Monster Hunter experience that that market wants, then why would they suddenly flock back to a market that they've spurned?
I know you answered the question. Like I said any quality software would help Sony in Japan. You and I will disagree but if Mario, Zelda, Poke'mon, etc. have remained huge in Japan based partly on name, I do firmly believe that people would clamor around whatever platform it will call home. I'm not going to argue over gameplay details of a rumor. I'm just positing that any series relatively big in Japan, that became exclusive to PS4...would help it in Japan.
 
Tales games have ranged from hit or miss to middling so buyer confidence likely isn't there, Resident Evil 7 isn't what people were likely anticipating and has been polarizing for fans despite its positive reviews from critics. That added to the fact that fps shooters aren't well received in Japan and I'll wait for DW9 to deem that one to be in a slump. I can't speak on Yakuza because I haven't played that franchise but aren't there localization begging threads on here all the time, and said localization is dependent on sales of the game in Japan? Idk, it just looks like each game is more of the same to me but like I said I've never played it so my opinion on it is irrelevant.

It's funny how all the individual little issues only really took effect when those franchises went to the PS4...

To be fair it's not PS4 exclusive. All series across different platforms are declining in Japan.
 
Well there's this from the media create thread.

HARDWARE
Code:
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|System |  This Week |  Last Week |  Last Year |     YTD    |  Last YTD  |     LTD     |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  NSW  |     27.264 |     25.257 |            |    859.062 |            |     859.062 |
| PS4 # |     17.034 |     17.287 |     18.291 |    765.473 |    611.272 |   4.687.089 |
| 3DS # |     13.374 |     13.730 |     13.264 |    810.756 |    581.030 |  22.722.169 |
| PSV # |      4.596 |      4.212 |     10.082 |    237.161 |    470.973 |   5.484.580 |
|  PS3  |        362 |        237 |        782 |     13.159 |     28.828 |  10.270.878 |
|  WIU  |        206 |        203 |      3.659 |     18.068 |    197.759 |   3.297.806 |
| XB1 # |         97 |         72 |         60 |      4.629 |      2.897 |      77.577 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
|  ALL  |     62.933 |     60.998 |     46.138 |  2.708.308 |  1.892.759 |  47.399.161 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+
| XB1 S |         97 |         72 |            |      3.857 |            |       5.575 |
|PS4 Pro|      4.166 |      4.441 |            |    127.880 |            |     244.930 |
|  PS4  |     12.868 |     12.846 |     18.291 |    637.593 |    611.272 |   4.442.159 |
|  PSV  |      4.596 |      4.212 |     10.082 |    237.161 |    470.973 |   5.484.580 |
|  2DS  |      3.091 |      2.995 |            |    202.542 |            |     499.689 |
| n-3DS |     10.283 |     10.735 |     12.759 |    608.214 |    540.979 |   5.302.203 |
+-------+------------+------------+------------+------------+------------+-------------+

Thank you. I also found a dualshockers article using media create data to determine over 4.5 million consoles sold in Japan as of march 15, 2017. I am not sure why capcom would not want to put the series on PS4 for Asia and the West. Look at how well persona 5 sold.
 
Thank you. I also found a dualshockers article using media create data to determine over 4.5 million consoles sold in Japan as of march 15, 2017. I am not sure why capcom would not want to put the series on PS4 for Asia and the West. Look at how well persona 5 sold.

4.5 million in Japan is barely more than MH4 sold.... and Persona 5 only did about as well as MH4U in the west and much worse in Japan...

If they do make a PS4 exclusive they will be aiming a lot higher than Persona 5.
 
I know you answered the question. Like I said any quality software would help Sony in Japan. You and I will disagree but if Mario, Zelda, Poke'mon, etc. have remained huge in Japan based partly on name, I do firmly believe that people would clamor around whatever platform it will call home. I'm not going to argue over gameplay details of a rumor. I'm just positing that any series relatively big in Japan, that became exclusive to PS4...would help it in Japan.

You named one of the most famous evergreen series of all time (that notably sells better when it's a more accessible 2D game than a 3D one in Japan), a series that's never been particularly huge in Japan (Zelda), and a series that is also famous for the handheld experience it offers and has never taken off on console and probably never will.
 
You know what would be less risky than making two separate HD Monster Hunter games for two separate platforms?

Making one HD Monster Hunter game and releasing it on both.

But PS4/PC gamers couldn't possibly handle a game as hard as MHXX, they need their own version filled with QTEs. Hard games just don't sell well on PS4, only 3DS and Switch. (lol)
 
It's funny how all the individual little issues only really took effect when those franchises went to the PS4...

To be fair it's not PS4 exclusive. All series across different platforms are declining in Japan.

I'm just beyond convinced that the market in Japan is a finicky one, or at least one that is tired of buying the same big games.
 
I know you answered the question. Like I said any quality software would help Sony in Japan. You and I will disagree but if Mario, Zelda, Poke'mon, etc. have remained huge in Japan based partly on name, I do firmly believe that people would clamor around whatever platform it will call home. I'm not going to argue over gameplay details of a rumor. I'm just positing that any series relatively big in Japan, that became exclusive to PS4...would help it in Japan.

Zelda was never big in Japan till BoTW, Pokemon is pretty much handheld only and Mario varies alot.

Bad examples.
 
You named one of the most famous evergreen series of all time (that notably sells better when it's a more accessible 2D game than a 3D one in Japan), a series that's never been particularly huge in Japan (Zelda), and a series that is also famous for the handheld experience it offers and has never taken off on console and probably never will.

I think Zelda carried the Switch and sells reasonably well...well enough to warrant more games at least. Poke'mon would be bigger than any other console rpg if it were given AAA treatment on Switch and had an artstyle like the show and Mario is Mario. I'm naming games I think Japanese gamers would buy solely on name. You can say I'm wrong but we're arguing opinions now.

Zelda was never big in Japan till BoTW, Pokemon is pretty much handheld only and Mario varies alot.

Bad examples.

read above.
 
I'm just beyond convinced that the market in Japan is a finicky one, or at least one that is tired of buying the same big games.

You are correct that they're finicky, but it's plain as day to see that the console audience has been eroding at an alarming rate over the past decade. There's really nothing that Sony can do to stop that, Monster Hunter or no.
 
I know you answered the question. Like I said any quality software would help Sony in Japan. You and I will disagree but if Mario, Zelda, Poke'mon, etc. have remained huge in Japan based partly on name, I do firmly believe that people would clamor around whatever platform it will call home. I'm not going to argue over gameplay details of a rumor. I'm just positing that any series relatively big in Japan, that became exclusive to PS4...would help it in Japan.

Mario, Zelda and Pokemon are evergreen titles that sell long after the end of a consoles life cycle.

And in terms of Pokemon, they have excellent management around the series and all its merchandising and TCG series making it a very huge brand.
 
I think Zelda carried the Switch and sells reasonably well...well enough to warrant more games at least. Poke'mon would be bigger than any other console rpg if it were given AAA treatment on Switch and had an artstyle like the show and Mario is Mario. I'm naming games I think Japanese gamers would buy solely on name. You can say I'm wrong but we're arguing opinions now.



read above.

The question is not will people buy a game om the name alone. Of course some always win. The question is how many. There is a reason why even Pokemon, one of the biggest IPs(not just in gaming) of all time stayed mostly handheld exclusive.
 
You are correct that they're finicky, but it's plain as day to see that the console audience has been eroding at an alarming rate over the past decade. There's really nothing that Sony can do to stop that, Monster Hunter or no.

I haven't been saying that they will stop that but I think that'll help in getting them some sales, at least more than what they would've gotten otherwise and likely for them that's worth the price that they payed for pseudo-exclusivity.
 
You also have to account that the market in Japan is shrinking for home consoles and that Japan has always been very handheld/mobile oriented.
 
FFXV plays nothing like Monster Hunter.

FFXV doesn't play like the previous Final Fantasies.

Square Enix is on record saying they modified the game to have a more western appeal. Sony is going to have Capcom copy or follow closely this template in revising the Monster Hunter formula.

Sony's biggest mistake isn't attempting to make a franchise that sells much better on portable systems an exclusive to a stationary platform.

Sony's biggest mistake is thinking Capcom has the skill and raw man power to take on a project as large as revamping Monster Hunter's game mechanics to achieve what Square could.
 
Zelda was never big in Japan till BoTW, Pokemon is pretty much handheld only and Mario varies alot.

Bad examples.

zelda 1, 2, lttp, ocarina sold over a million in japan and phantom hourglass did too i think
But PS4/PC gamers couldn't possibly handle a game as hard as MHXX, they need their own version filled with QTEs. Hard games just don't sell well on PS4, only 3DS and Switch. (lol)

this cant be a real post...
 
I haven't been saying that they will stop that but I think that'll help in getting them some sales, at least more than what they would've gotten otherwise and likely for them that's worth the price that they payed for pseudo-exclusivity.

I just really can't see it helping them out much at all in the hardware department, which is one of the reasons why I don't buy the rumor in the first place. Arguably, I think that Sony already closed that chapter themselves with how little Japan Studio has had to do since the launch of the PS4, with the only titles on the horizon being GT Sport and Knack 2. I'm sure there's more stuff in the works, but as of right now, the prognosis isn't suggesting any kind of serious turnaround that they themselves would initiate.

You are right that there are worse things they can do with their money than spend it on a Monster Hunter game that won't move the needle much, but there's little evidence suggesting that they would want to in the first place.
 
zelda 1, 2, lttp, ocarina sold over a million in japan and phantom hourglass did too i think

this cant be a real post...

Those are very old titles though and few out of the entire series. It's much more consistent in the west. Even Aonuma acknowledged that the series is much more popular in the west in some BotW interviews.
 
Please stop pretending that Horizon is anything like Monster Hunter.

Horizon with co-op is what people are actually describing when they ask for a modern (read: accessible and very mechanically familiar) open world AAA "Monster Hunter." It takes an absolutely miniscule amount of reading between the lines to understand this. They like the general idea of hunting big monsters and that's it.
 
Please stop pretending that Horizon is anything like Monster Hunter in terms of combat.

That was the point of his post.

Anyway, I'm highly skeptical of such a rumor. It wouldn't help in Japan, as per EmCee's posts above, and it's not like current Capcom to put money into a big budget PS4 exclusive that may or may not be a hit in the west.
 
Wildcard: Scorpio exclusive.

GAF would crash.

I'm sorry guys, I'm wrong and the rumor is right. Sony will save PS4 in Japan by releasing a simplified Western-focused AAA version of a franchise that Japan vastly prefers to play on portables and doesn't automatically buy on name alone. It makes sense.

To me, the rumour looks like something that is, in part, a reality but the author decided to go crazy and add obscene amounts of hyperbole and drama to the story. I have no doubt that MH will show up on non-Nintendo platforms, but I sincerely doubt it will go down like that.
 
I'm sorry guys, I'm wrong and the rumor is right. Sony will save PS4 in Japan by releasing a simplified Western-focused AAA version of a franchise that Japan vastly prefers to play on portables and doesn't automatically buy on name alone. It makes sense.
 
Horizon with co-op is what people are actually describing when they ask for a modern (read: accessible and very mechanically familiar) open world AAA "Monster Hunter." It takes an absolutely miniscule amount of reading between the lines to understand this. They like the general idea of hunting big monsters and that's it.

I don't get why "modern" has to mean mechanically inferior. When I think "modern", I think of doing away with limitations that were in place with PS2, PSP, Wii and 3DS. Features that modern games have as standard that were never in MH.

Why does "modern" have to mean Horizon, or Dragon's Dogma, or whatever other open world RPG out there that has monsters in it to fight? Are you going to say The Witcher 4 with co-op would be a modern Monster Hunter game as well?
 
I'm sorry guys, I'm wrong and the rumor is right. Sony will save PS4 in Japan by releasing a simplified Western-focused AAA version of a franchise that Japan vastly prefers to play on portables and doesn't automatically buy on name alone. It makes sense.
It will be ok.
 
I don't get why "modern" has to mean mechanically inferior. When I think "modern", I think of doing away with limitations that were in place with PS2, PSP, Wii and 3DS. Features that modern games have as standard that were never in MH.

Why does "modern" have to mean Horizon, or Dragon's Dogma, or whatever other open world RPG out there that has monsters in it to fight? Are you going to say The Witcher 4 with co-op would be a modern Monster Hunter game as well?

I know what you mean but I think sadly he has something of a point. Look at how many people have talked about slapping the MH brand on Dragon's Dogma.

There's a lot they could do to modernize Monster Hunter without losing its soul.

I'm not sure that's what the rumour is necessarily alleging though.
 
I don't get why "modern" has to mean mechanically inferior. When I think "modern", I think of doing away with limitations that were in place with PS2, PSP, Wii and 3DS. Features that modern games have as standard that were never in MH.

Why does "modern" have to mean Horizon, or Dragon's Dogma, or whatever other open world RPG out there that has monsters in it to fight? Are you going to say The Witcher 4 with co-op would be a modern Monster Hunter game as well?

It doesn't, I agree, but like I said earlier in the thread, many Japanese game fans can be ignorant in that any hint of modernisation is met with "eww, get that westernised shit outta my game". Monster Hunter, at least mechanically, is still stuck in 2004. As much as I can put hundreds of hours into each game, I gotta call a spade, well, a spade.

There are several ways in which Capcom can modernise and streamline the experience while still keeping the series' essence, flow and overall feel intact. Sometimes series have to evolve to stay relevant. Monster Hunter as a brand is deeply saturated within the Japanese market and has slow growth in the west. It needs change.

I know what you mean but I think sadly he has something of a point. Look at how many people have talked about slapping the MH brand on Dragon's Dogma.

There's a lot they could do to modernize Monster Hunter without losing its soul.

I'm not sure that's what the rumour is necessarily alleging though.

That's GAF though. You should know that half the time the stuff people say on here is as wild as it is unrealistic. Capcom aren't going to do something like that.
 
What are the chances we hear anything about this at E3? Since this ps4 monster hunter is about trying to save the ps4 in japan, would it be more reasonable to see it at TGS?
 
What are the chances we hear anything about this at E3? Since this ps4 monster hunter is about trying to save the ps4 in japan, would it be more reasonable to see it at TGS?

If Capcom is truly trying to push it in the west, it could show up at Sony's pre-E3 event.
 
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