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Intel i9 officially announced
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dr_rus
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This is rather unlikely to happen. What can happen is i5s getting HT support though.
tiredheadcrab
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So for laptops, will 6 core laptops arrive with Coffee lake in 2018? I am thinking of buying a 15 macbook pro and use that as my main as i am not gaming on my desktop much lately. I feel like laptops have been on 4 cores max for years with the i7's.
9 Crysis actually.
Very disappointed in the pricing of the i9 chips. Apparently AMD competition isn't helping things along too much. Hopefully Threadripper chips dig into the continued price gouging that Intel is still performing.
cartman414
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Might be happening with Coffee Lake.
Yep. Might be this fall if not August.
To quote Anandtech:9 Crysis actually.
Very disappointed in the pricing of the i9 chips. Apparently AMD competition isn't helping things along too much. Hopefully Threadripper chips dig into the continued price gouging that Intel is still performing.
"One brain cell to twitch when reading this specification is the price. For Ivy Bridge-E, the top SKU was $999 for six-cores. For Haswell-E, the top SKU was $999 for eight-cores. For Broadwell-E, we expected the top SKU for 10-cores to be $999, but Intel pushed the price up to $1721, due to the way the enterprise processors were priced. For Skylake-X, the new pricing scheme is somewhat scrapped again. This 10-core part is now $999, which is what we expected the Broadwell-E based Core i7-6950X to be. This isnt the top SKU, but the pricing comes back down to reasonable levels."
Put otherwise, at the US$1700 price point, Intel is offering the 16c/32t 7960X with Skylake, after having offered a 10 core 6950X at the same price point a generation prior. They didn't take that price point from 10 to 12 or 14; it went from 10 to 16 cores. That's absolutely reactionary.
Now I know that whatever happens at these price points is of little relevance to most consumers, who will at most spend a third of that on a CPU.
The upper end of the Intel range is still crazy expensive because it still has no competition on the market so they can afford to charge the crazy premiums. But Ryzen has brought the 8 core and under range down to reasonable prices. Let's just hope that Threadripper does the same for the rest of the range.
That's pretty impressive.
Could actually mean that you can get a single CPU that is top-tier for both gaming and productivity.
cartman414
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Everything above the 7920X was clearly a panic button in response to ThreadRipper. I guess Intel still felt they could get away with a higher price ceiling. Then again, they're practically repurposed workstation parts.
Weak analogy, but it's not like the 6 core 1090T forced Intel into lowering the 980X.
PII was vastly behind Nehalem and Gulftown, so not same situation as now 😐
Haswell-E was also an easy OC. Broadwell-E (and Ryzen), less so. The average 5960x (8 cores) also was hitting 4.5Ghz.
Promising. I'm leaning towards the 7900x v the 7820x myself.
Linus seems really down on Intel's artificial market segmentation and the complete mess they've created with this platform by being reactionary instead of trying to create the best products that they can:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE
There's no question here that Intel will have the performance crown with this platform - especially if they can hit 4.5GHz on 10 cores with Skylake IPC.
But I have to say that I agree with him.
Their response to Ryzen has been enlightening, and it's clear that AMD's approach to building their platform has been very different.
You don't have AMD locking out features on lower-end parts just to make the higher-end ones more appealing.
Having to spend $1000 to get 44 PCIe lanes now is a joke. It was bad enough when they did that last generation with the $450 6800K having 28 lanes and the $600 6850K having 40.
Of course I'm probably biased in that opinion since I've been very happy with the R7-1700X system I built a few months ago, but I'm not even a little bit regretful that I built the system back then instead of waiting for Skylake-X as originally planned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE
There's no question here that Intel will have the performance crown with this platform - especially if they can hit 4.5GHz on 10 cores with Skylake IPC.
But I have to say that I agree with him.
Their response to Ryzen has been enlightening, and it's clear that AMD's approach to building their platform has been very different.
You don't have AMD locking out features on lower-end parts just to make the higher-end ones more appealing.
Having to spend $1000 to get 44 PCIe lanes now is a joke. It was bad enough when they did that last generation with the $450 6800K having 28 lanes and the $600 6850K having 40.
Of course I'm probably biased in that opinion since I've been very happy with the R7-1700X system I built a few months ago, but I'm not even a little bit regretful that I built the system back then instead of waiting for Skylake-X as originally planned.
Nothing concrete but sounds like late June.
Zombie James
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I had no idea about this RAID key horseshit until I watched this video. Intel's losing the plot.
TrAcEr_x90
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So what I7s would be a good idea to keep an eye on for a price reduction since this announcement?
Apparently, the 18-core Core i9 won't be available until next year.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57849/intels-core-i9-7980xe-18c-36t-processor-2018-release/index.html
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?93632-Late-June&p=653561&viewfull=1#post653561
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57849/intels-core-i9-7980xe-18c-36t-processor-2018-release/index.html
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?93632-Late-June&p=653561&viewfull=1#post653561
Raja@ASUS said:
ShadowKingpin
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I respect Linus even more now.
Lagspike_exe
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Intel has been extracting every last dollar from the market using this strategy, but it's not really unexpected as they are a business afterall. This is why Ryzen is so important for the general consumers. It "forced" Intel to push out products with much better value propositions. Last year, they were charging $1700 for 10 core CPUs. This year, you'll be able to buy them for a $1000 and $1700 will get you much more. And then you have to add IPC and clock boost as well to the equation.
Or you can wait for Threadripper and get even more cores for even less.
Tarin02543
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I wonder if Windows 10 already has > 4 core support?
Coulomb_Barrier
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Word is the Intel 16-core will be late this year and the 18-core won't be until 2018.
So AMD's 16-core Threadripper CPU will be uncontested when it releases this summer.
So AMD's 16-core Threadripper CPU will be uncontested when it releases this summer.
opticalmace
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...yes
Of course it does. if it didn't, almost all the Ryzen cpus and some Intel ones wouldn't work.
Caayn
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Thanks for the vid.
Linus seems legitimately upset with Intel's action. And it's good to see people calling Intel out on their actions. I've said this before but the X299 platform is a mess, so I agree with Linus here.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Consumer versions of Windows 10 have support for 2 CPUs with a combined max of up to 256 cores if you're running a 64bit version.
Of course. While XP's support for multiple logical processors tops out at a measly 2, Vista and onwards support at least 32.
I am surprised, a big tech youtuber trying to convey something other than excitement for a new product!
cartman414
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I think Intel's been playing the lowball (or is it highball?) game in AMD's prolonged absence from the HEDT absence. Now that AMD's showed off their hand, we'll just have to wait for what they do with the 8xxx-X CPUs.
Even if you're a big fan of tech I guess there are limits.
After watching the Linus video where he says that Intel are just announcing now so they're in the conversation against them. They don't know the TDP or cost yet so they can just basically react to whatever Threadripper does and before that was announced, they were only planning the 12 core one as the top consumer chip.
dr_rus
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Not that it matters to anyone with it's price. People who actually need a 18C chip can get Xeon 2697v4 right now.
You can get a 16C CPU model from Intel since 1Q16: http://ark.intel.com/products/91768/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2697A-v4-40M-Cache-2_60-GHz
Hmm, cool, cool, that's in time for the GTX 20XX series right? I remember the 1070/80 launching last July but that was for Founders edition, fuck...
Haha, nope. We might not even see the Titan this year.
Wait what, did they ditch the yearly releases model?!?? Wtfux, I could've went for the 1070 a while ago then...
Bubba_Sparks
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I was just about to post this exact video! He perfectly summed up my feelings regarding X299!
I'm also very confused at which market segment they are targeting? I would consider myself an enthusiast. I'm in the process of building a new computer which is going to cost me around $3,500 CAD all told. I recently purchased a Core i7 7700k and an ASUS MAXIMUS IX Hero motherboard. Now I find out that Z270 is the "mainstream" Intel chipset, despite the fact that the i7 7700k and the ASUS Maximus occupy and are marketed as "enthusiast" products. Also, their price point is clearly not mainstream. I just find it a very confusing line between the "mainstream" - aka expensive as hell Z270 parts - and the entry level "enthusiast" - aka even more expensive as hell X299 - CPUs and motherboards.
EDIT: Also, if they are for "pro-sumers" why do they have unprofessional looking RGB lighting and other such nonesense?
At least based on the few Volta threads it seems we might not get it this year. And besides, if they were coming in June/July wouldn't we be fully aware of them by this point?
llien
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Linus tech tips: "I have some things to say - Core i9 & X299"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE
TLDW:
Very critical of Intel: rushed release, many features make little to no sense, suppliers like Gigabyte didn't manage to prep boards in time. Only 12 cores were planned initially, AMD ThreadRipper caused overreaction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWFzWRoVNnE
TLDW:
Very critical of Intel: rushed release, many features make little to no sense, suppliers like Gigabyte didn't manage to prep boards in time. Only 12 cores were planned initially, AMD ThreadRipper caused overreaction.
lol I think the problem is rather that you bought one of the most expensive Z270 mainboards on the planet
JonnyDBrit
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Was posted by Paragon above.
It's interesting to see how Intel react to AMD being competitive for the first time in a long time. It still bewilders me slightly that there even is an i5 for the platform in the first place.
Oachkatzlschwoaf
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Intel CPUs don't drop in price, they get replaced, at least historically.
Z270 and i7-7700k are simply the best parts of Intel's lowest segment, aka mainstream, if we leave out Atom for a moment. Up until now those categories made sense for me, but with SLX and KLX coming up everything gets very confusing. And I consider myself very well informed. Just imagine you are not a PC geek and want to go Intel in a few months. You don't even have a chance to understand all those platforms and segments.
Edit: I totally forgot to add CL, which makes it even more confusing.
Linus is a cool dude.
Bubba_Sparks
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2070 and 2080 release is somewhere between September 2017 (Dr Rus' prediction) and February 2018 (based on Nvidia's history).
There has never been a yearly release model. The past couple of times it was about 1.5 years.
LinkAndEpona
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If not then it'll be time to upgrade to Pro.
TatteredHat
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I think the biggest crime from Intel here is that it seems like they don't even have a clear plan for their 14-16-18 core CPUs, they just threw the announcement out there without a plan in the hopes of people not going for ThreadRipper. Very messy.
I think it's intentional for two reasons:
- As you said, it makes them look like they're in a stronger position than they really are vs Threadripper by announcing those CPUs, even if there's no date. Well, they hope that it does.
- Note that none of those CPUs have PCIe lanes or memory channels listed. I bet they're just waiting to see if they can get away with 44-lanes and quad-channel memory, or if they are "forced" into releasing a product with >44 lanes and hex-channel memory to be more competitive.
Xeons are markedly worse at some workloads than these HEDT chips will be.
For example, when you are compiling you might have phases where you can saturate 18 cores easily (e.g. you just changed a project-wide header), but also commonly ones where you only need one or two cores (e.g. you only made changes to one smaller module).
The HEDT chips boosting up to far higher clocks on two-core loads can make a significant difference there. And of course you can overclock them too!
Do you think this is because AMD is a nicer and more enlightened company, or because they are in a weaker position that does not allow them to sell incremental upgrades?
cyen
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Agree, and AMD still has epyc to be release in 2018 with 32 cores on one socket. AMD seems in a good position with their core scalable design, they basically "duct tape" zen cores to get higher core counts, its a very cost effective design.
dr_rus
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That's not "HEDT chips" though, that's Skylake-X specifically. Skylake's main advantage over HWL/BWL is peak clocks.
As I've already explained somewhere around here, Feb 2018 would be based on Maxwell history exclusively and Maxwell isn't exactly a typical series in NV's history. I've also never said "September", my expectation is Sep-Nov this year.