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Is gamefreak the least competent developer for Nintendo?

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Oh for god's sake.

No.

Yes, they should have scaled down their future proofed models so it can run better, but no they are not incompetent.

Just because they didn't make a Switch game does not warrant this crap.

I'm no pokefreak and I can agree, these sentiments about how gamefreak is incompetent seems like a gross overreaction because preconceived expectations were not met.
 

AzureFlame

Member
they lack experience in 3d, they are lazy and they love to milk their games alot, they used to care about quality but not anymore since they'll sell just fine.

the Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are aimed to be better and complete versions of games that came out less than a year ago, It's like they rushed S&M to make you pay again later for a compelte experience not to mention seperating them into dual versions, this is an insult imo.
 

GoldStarz

Member
they lake experience in 3d, they are lazy and they love to milk their games alot, they used to care about quality but not anymore since they'll sell just fine.

the Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are aimed to be better and complete versions of games that came out less than a year ago, It's like they rushed S&M to make you pay again later for a compelte experience not to mention seperating them into dual versions, this is an insult imo.

I mean chances are that Ultra SuMo are sequels rather than definitive versions like B2W2 but sure okay.
 

Clefargle

Member
Oh for god's sake.

No.

Yes, they should have scaled down their future proofed models so it can run better, but no they are not incompetent.

Just because they didn't make a Switch game does not warrant this crap.

Joe I love you but that's not my argument at all. It's just one piece of it, and it's what got me incensed enough to make this thread. I've had these thoughts for years and I think my points are valid.
 
they lake experience in 3d, they are lazy and they love to milk their games alot, they used to care about quality but not anymore since they'll sell just fine.

the Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are aimed to be better and complete versions of games that came out less than a year ago, It's like they rushed S&M to make you pay again later for a compelte experience not to mention seperating them into dual versions, this is an insult imo.

Ah, what one might call the "Marvel vs. Capcom 3" scenario.

Granted, hundreds of hours of Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 later and I love the game, but I remember being as angry as everyone else when I bought MVC3 at launch only to find out about 5 months later that Ultimate MVC3 was on the way with a bigger roster, more stages and more tracks.
 

Smeags

Member
It is funny, as Sun and Moon look great when uprezzed (and obviously the Pokemon models themselves look fantastic).

Honestly I wouldn't have batted an eye if USUM was simply uprezzed to 720p/1080p for Switch. Obviously there were other factors, but c'est la vie.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
yeah wish nintendo bought out gamefreak, took over the franchise, make a Pokemon game in house in EPD
They'd also have to buy out Creatures. And while Game Freak may be too conservative for their own good, they know how to do combat that has maintained a dedicated competitive scene for years. While EPD could probably do better in every other regard, I'm not sure if they could do the staple combat system right (I'm not saying that EPD can't, just that I'm not sure).
 

Griss

Member
It is funny, as Sun and Moon look great when uprezzed (and obviously the Pokemon models themselves look fantastic).

Honestly I wouldn't have batted an eye if USUM was simply uprezzed to 720p/1080p for Switch. Obviously there were other factors, but c'est la vie.

People gave them a pass as they were obviously 'future-proofing' the game for an easy port. But if a port was never planned... then what the fuck were they doing with the lack of optimisation, too-high-poly models and lack of second screen features?

It makes no sense at all.
 

Clefargle

Member
Thread rendered pointless in one post.

They aren't competent, they are just safe...which funny enough is what half the industry is.

Lol, wonder how neoxon got his junior tag? I'll bet it wasn't for being meticulous and reading the entire posts he was about to respond to before getting that clean first reply in lol.

OP used the word "for," which is factually correct. Anyone who makes exclusives for Nintendo makes games "for" them.

Thank you
 

woodland

Member
Easily - they're just like the CoD developers. They have constant success with minimal investment and rarely feel the need to branch out and try something new with a decent investment.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Lol, wonder how neoxon got his junior tag? I'll bet it wasn't for being meticulous and reading the entire posts he was about to respond to before getting that clean first reply in lol.
If you must know, it was because of an NX thread that I jumped the gun on.
 

Buzzman

Banned
they lake experience in 3d, they are lazy and they love to milk their games alot, they used to care about quality but not anymore since they'll sell just fine.

the Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are aimed to be better and complete versions of games that came out less than a year ago, It's like they rushed S&M to make you pay again later for a compelte experience not ti mention seperating them into dual versions, this is an insult .

Oh come on. They've been doing this exact same song & dance for over 20 years. Now is when you draw the line? Not back in 1998, 2000, 2004 etc?
 

jokkir

Member
the pokemon models have really high ploy count for a 3DS game



they don't refuse to make home console games cause hard or some thing like that

they "refuse" because they think the pokemon series is best suited for handhelds

When they made the X/Y Pokemon models they tried to future-proof them as much as possible, that way they wouldn't need to be updated much when they make the jump to HD. It's basically held that the 3DS has a hard time dealing with said models.

I mean, that's a terrible decision to keep it in the game. Why don't they keep the higher poly models and use lower count ones in the actual game so it can run better?
 

Clefargle

Member
If you must know, it was because of an NX thread that I jumped the gun on.

So, not being meticulous before you post. Like I said.

Please edit your first reply where it is clear you didn't read my thread title. It was innacurate since I used the word "for".
 
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I don't remember being particularly outraged by Pokemon games. Yeah, they're basically the same game every time, and the 3D performance is a problem, but they remain fun RPGs to play with friends, so I can accept that.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
So, not being meticulous before you post. Like I said.

Please edit your first reply where it is clear you didn't read my thread title. It was innacurate since I used the word "for".
That's not what you meant & you know it. The topic ended up getting folded into another thread.

I added more context to the post, but that's it.
 

GoldStarz

Member
People gave them a pass as they were obviously 'future-proofing' the game for an easy port. But if a port was never planned... then what the fuck were they doing with the lack of optimisation, too-high-poly models and lack of second screen features?

It makes no sense at all.

No, people thought they were future-proofing for next gen software, which given that there's been close to no changes between the models between X/Y and SuMo, it's pretty safe to assume that the models currently used will be used on the Switch's software when it does inevitably release there
 

FinalAres

Member
Oh come on. They've been doing this exact same song & dance for over 20 years. Now is when you draw the line? Not back in 1998, 2000, 2004 etc?
Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on you, fool me thrice, shame on you. Etc.

Either way that doesn't negate that GF could probably do with modernising a bit.
 

Zautruche

Banned
from the description in their official site, it doesn't sound like one.

Pokémon Ultra Sun and Pokémon Ultra Moon have been powered up with new additions to the story and features of Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon! These titles are coming to the Nintendo 3DS family of systems on November 17, 2017.

New Pokémon forms have been found appearing in the world of Pokémon Ultra Sun and Pokémon Ultra Moon. These forms are reminiscent of the Legendary Pokémon that appeared in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon: Solgaleo, Lunala, and Necrozma... How are these Pokémon related to the Legendary Pokémon that appeared in Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon?

Just as was true for 2016’s Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon, these titles will also allow players to enjoy playing in one of nine languages: English, Japanese, Spanish, French, German, Italian, Korean, Simplified Chinese, and Traditional Chinese.

"New additions to the story and features of Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon!" It can be a retelling or a sequel to the Ultra Beast/Island challenge storyline.
 

Clefargle

Member
That's not what you meant & you know it. The topic ended up getting folded into another thread.

I added more context to the post, but that's it.

Fine, I'll edit mine if you fix the innacuracies in yours. Not only did my thread title say "for" but in the body of the text in the first paragraph I used the phrase

"working with or for Nintendo"

I used it intentionally to avoid dumb irrelevant replies like yours. And if you didn't know, not reading the OP is considered banable by some mods. Please get over yourself, your first reply added nothing of value to the thread and your edit barely added anything.
 

Regiruler

Member
I mean, that's a terrible decision to keep it in the game. Why don't they keep the higher poly models and use lower count ones in the actual game so it can run better?

Bingo. The high polygon count is a complete waste of processing power.

I'm pretty sure there are algorithms that can simplify models for you with good results, doing that then performing a once over by human eyes shouldn't be a resource-heavy process.
 

MouldyK

Member
People gave them a pass as they were obviously 'future-proofing' the game for an easy port. But if a port was never planned... then what the fuck were they doing with the lack of optimisation, too-high-poly models and lack of second screen features?

It makes no sense at all.

You do know they can use them models for the next Pokemon Games which are probably gonna be on Switch or a HD Handheld, right?
 
The takes are scorching hot today.

Hell no GF is not incompetent. Goodness. Pokémon games are meticulously crafted, however flawed any individual entry or single generation may be. But call them incompetent because their games have jaggies, I guess.
 

Spinluck

Member
Didn't Black and White 2 do this very same thing?

Why is everyone throwing a fit over this?

EDIT: yes I read the OP, but we know why this thread is really here.
 

AzureFlame

Member
Oh come on. They've been doing this exact same song & dance for over 20 years. Now is when you draw the line? Not back in 1998, 2000, 2004 etc?

i know that they have doing that since forever but that doesn't mean they didn't care about quality , they cared, their vanila games were full and complete unlike now and i never like to support these kinds of practices anyway, not in this day and age of updates and dlcs.
 
I kind of suspect they are. If you look at any of their non-Pokemon output, it's consistently mediocre. They've mostly survived by making 'good enough' games in a franchise that has global appeal. Handing it off to another developer could result in something genuinely groundbreaking, but TPC seems content with their very high-selling status quo.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about
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yrba1

Member
Game Freak is practically EA: makes tones of money and doesn't care too much about porting the newest game to the newest Nintendo consoles, just some legacy ports.

Except that GF doesn't release games starting at $60 with Day 1 DLCs and season passes for an additional cost, just a $40 game with inconsistencies of delivering quality post-game content.
 

TheMoon

Member
Didn't Black and White 2 do this very same thing?

Why is everyone throwing a fit over this?

"I want everything on Switch because it looks nicer"

It's all the rage with the kids right now.

Except that GF doesn't release games starting at $60 with Day 1 DLCs and season passes for an additional cost, just a $40 game with inconsistencies of delivering quality post-game content.

Come on, they literally have EA in the name.

Stop denying. The truf is out there.
 
They could do better but they could do a lot worse. They're pumping out warmly-received million-sellers on a reliable basis which that gives them a lot of stock. They're a lot better than say Nd Cube or Arzest.
 

jstripes

Banned
People still don't understand how Game Freak works with Pokemon some how. Even if the Switch really does replace the 3DS they won't release a mainline Pokemon game on the system until either

A: More Switches are in stock in stores so they can swoop in and make a bunch of people buy Switches like Nintendo wants

B: Wait for Switches to be in peoples hands in general to make that multimillion sale number they like (which will sell Switches as well.)

Either way Pokemon is a mid to late game play for Nintendo so expecting a Pokemon game in the first year of a consoles life isn't going to happen just because you want it to.

As for them having a lack of competence it's more for me a lack of consistency with what they do with their games but, that's another story.

That, and Game Freak management has been philosophically opposed to making a mainline Pokemon game for a home console since the beginning, which is why it's been 20 years and you still haven't seen one. The game was designed with kids going out and playing it with friends in mind.

If they could disable TV mode for a Switch Pokemon, they probably would.
 

Regiruler

Member
Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about
Drill_Dozer.jpg

How long ago was drill dozer?

Harmoknight is only a decent rhythm game that has very little in terms of variety, Pocket Card was well received but technically very simplistic, and I've never heard good things about their two Steam/multiplat titles.
They could do better but they could do a lot worse. They're pumping out warmly-received million-sellers on a reliable basis which that gives them a lot of stock. They're a lot better than say Nd Cube or Arzest.

Arzest is a pretty low bar to clear.
 

Neoxon

Junior Member
Yes

But in their squandering of the franchise they make Olympic swimming pools filled with money so...
Mainly due to the strength of the franchise & its core gameplay. I wonder what would happen if Game Freak did the turn-based combat & EPD did everything else?
 
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