Theonik
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You guys almost won a seat in fife by 2 votes.
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UK General Election 2017 |OT2| No Government is better than a bad Government
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Audioboxer
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Yeah, mental
The real disappointment in that image as usual across Scotland in 2017 being Tory gains. Fucking Scotland /stillsalty
I have to say it would be interesting to see a do-over within a few months. I still bet there is a decent chunk of Tory converts in Scotland who'd flip to Labour tomorrow and confess their sin. As posted earlier even Davidson is becoming unhinged/unstable at May and her DUP dealings.
Spoiler: Boris becomes head of the Tory settlement but his plan to harness the Walkers using the Daily Mail backfires, they all get eaten alive, Corbyn becomes king. The end.
SuperEpicMan
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What austerity? The NHS budget is higher than ever. Brexit is gonna just help us take back control of our sovereignty.
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They were almost destroyed last time. They shouldn't entertain a coalition again for anything short of electoral reform (and not that AV shite).
Honestly wish the LDs would become a single issue party until we get that. They'd get enormous support in every safe seat in the country. (Admittedly that's the last place you want support at the moment, but if UKIP can take us out of the EU with 1 seat...)
KimonoNoNo
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Why not both .gif
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Yeah, mental
The real disappointment in that image as usual across Scotland in 2017 being Tory gains. Fucking Scotland /stillsalty
I have to say it would be interesting to see a do-over within a few months. I still bet there is a decent chunk of Tory converts in Scotland who'd flip to Labour tomorrow and confess their sin. As posted earlier even Davidson is becoming unhinged/unstable at May and her DUP dealings.
Shameful about the Tory rise.
Looks like all Scottish brexiters went to Tories. And some SNP voters would rather not be independent than being in the European Union. Some issues there.
Monty Mole
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Ken Clark again eh
Elaugaufein
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Non-AV voting while maintaining representative districts is hard because you need a large amount of members for PR to function and that in turn requires large districts (or a lot of politicians to pay). You'd probably want something like New Zealand's system to accomplish that in a single House.
Randy Lanzarote
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Can we have a Lib Dem/Labour pact that Labour won't run in Fife, and LD won't run in Hastings & Rye next election plz.
I'm sure that we can find a Labour equivalent for Richmond Park as well.
I'm sure that we can find a Labour equivalent for Richmond Park as well.
Would larger districts not work in the UK?
Audioboxer
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I've fired off thoughts throughout the last 20~30 pages in a bit of depth, but ultimately it comes down to this snap election was the ultimate checkmate from May to deal the SNP a blow. It's just good the rUK decided to pickup the slack and deal her an even bigger blow back. If Scotland hadn't shit the bed things would have been interesting for a Labour coalition.
We can only hope next time it comes to a GE Scotland goes right back down to 1 Tory seat and splits the rest of the vote between Labour/Lib Dems. Preferably Labour. Of course I'd like to see the SNP do well, but right now I'd rather be seeing Labour with the gains. Not the Tories. We haven't seen the Tories in double figures since like 1992, and even then we were voting majority Labour ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Scotland#UK_Parliament
Also, there isn't enough Scottish Brexiteers to do this all alone. What it is is remainers who value the Union more than the EU, fair enough, buying into the materials that only Ruth/Tories were the real unionist vote. Not fair enough, as that is false. Labour/Lib Dems oppose Scottish Independence as much as the Tories. The Tories just spent some £ painting Corbyn as a "national security threat" and "pro-indyref2". Then again, I've already said some scathing remarks about Dugdale and Scottish Labour's behaviour outside of Corbyn/Labour. It's all just the perfect storm to lead Scotland to where it sits. As I said I hope a course correction can be seen next time there is a GE.
HotHamWater
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https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/874352597955747841
All politics should be described as stuff from The West Wing.
Theonik
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STV would work. Might need merging districts but that's workable.
Camp Freddie
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No. Even in safe seats most people are stupid enough to want fptp. The AV referendum didn't fail because AV is crap, it failed because the 2 parties that make up >70% of the vote don't want it.
Oh and because why we could use the money for voting reform to find the NHS, though I don't think people will call for that a third time!
Monty Mole
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Yeah I don't believe you
PJV3
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Her other tweet is crazy.
She blew the 1922 away, but they thought she was the bees knees when she first won her job.
Tory impresses Tory shocker.
Elaugaufein
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Maybe ? Depends on how important functioning as a local member is in the UK. If local MPs actually do stuff for constituents as part of their normal activities then further distance is going to be problematic.
But PR really does need very large numbers elected per district to avoid distortion, even with 12 members per district you'll still get distortions (seats assigned to parties that they shouldn't be if the seats perfectly reflected the votes) of ~3 seats for every 100.
ShemhazaiX
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Are there still plans to redistrict the UK in a way that makes it harder for Labour to get seats? What if the Tories just hold on to power until then and just try to scrape through after they stack it in their favour?
Will admit it's been a while since it was spoken about and I can't remember the nitty gritty.
Will admit it's been a while since it was spoken about and I can't remember the nitty gritty.
The current boundary review would move my part of my constituency (safe Tory seat) into Reading East (just flipped to Labour). Hmmmm.....
Theonik
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They cancelled the plans because the majority they held was too small to pass it (some Tory MPs would also lose their seats so you needs enough seats to push past rebellions)
Had the tories got their landslide though it would be on the menu as it was on the manifesto.
Sumio Mondo
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Best timeline. Unfortunately not what we will get.
Real talk: Caroline Lucas is so underrated.
Theonik
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This is now a thing
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1390196&page=100000
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1390196&page=100000
The current boundaries are massively skewed to Labour, and from a strictly neutral perspective they need to be fixed. Of course I'm far from neutral, so long may they stay fucked up in Labour's favour.
But it's dead anyway, the Tories couldn't get the new boundaries passed with a small majority, they've got no chance now (especially because of the effects it would have on reducing the number of NI seats).
Actually boundary changes according to some would have resulted in them having fewer than 300 seats in this last election and the DUP at c.7. (I have no source for this apart from hearsay at work).
The Friendly Monster
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Not exactly true, the Conservatives got 21% more seats than Labour with only 6% more votes in this election.
Yeah, but there would only have been six hundred seats total.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
That's how FPTP works, the boundary changes would shift constituencies so that Labour support is more diluted and they are then less likely to outright win seats.
TechnicPuppet
Nothing! I said nothing!
Could they just move to electronic voting and have each vote weighted according to % of the vote nationally?
So Labour got 262 MPs on 40% of the vote. So each of their votes is worth 0.15
Tories got 318 MPs on 42% so each vote is worth 0.13 etc
So Labour got 262 MPs on 40% of the vote. So each of their votes is worth 0.15
Tories got 318 MPs on 42% so each vote is worth 0.13 etc
amazing. They've all obviously been giving a prepared speech or a list of bullet points and had Maybot OS v1 installed. He basically says the same thing three times.
Roberto Larcos
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Its just so so transparent at this point.
Funky Papa
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I swear Fallout's FISTO has more positions programmed in its firmware.
JonathanEx
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Simon McCoy is brilliant. It's nice to see the comeback to people just repeating talking points.
I hope this gets bigger. Newsreaders with bingo cards.
I hope this gets bigger. Newsreaders with bingo cards.
Oh god, that's my local MP. Not only did Tory HQ parachute him in to our constituency, a bunch of allegations came out about him in the local press suggesting he puffed up his CV and over exaggerated his achievements before the election. Then he wins anyway, because Havant is a super safe seat. The list of controversies on his Wikipedia page is nearly as long as the rest of it!
Monty Mole
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Just like their campaign. Just ignore reality and keep repeating the script.
There will be riots if they keep this up.
ferrasvansen
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Planet cloud cuckoo land, they are delusional a few by elections and it's bye bye Tories if they even last that long.
scotcheggz
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I couldn't believe it when I saw that earlier. They seriously believe the smell of their own bullshit.
Meanwhile the whole country looks on bemused and laughs at them.
Vacuous slogans signifying nothing. As was said over the weekend.
Slogans are great for encapsulating a set of policies or ideas, but the Tories have entirely forgotten about the latter part of that and just think repeating a slogan makes up for the complete lack of substance behind it.
I also despise how the Tories keep pushing this idea that they're not being party political but they're governing in the 'national interest', which just happens to coincide with Tory policies.
We need a government that will be tough on slogans, tough on the causes of slogans.
I don't remember where that was from.
Oh gosh, that's a difficult question. I feel bad accepting a prize for my feat of guesswork!
I put the blame for the slogans and stuff on Lynton Crosby, that is how he always runs election campaigns. He was always incredibly overrated but his approach now looks especially out of date. I did quite enjoy the leaks about how he wasn't really in control of the campaign and so on that started appearing when the Tory's lead began collapsing though.
Audioboxer
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Robert, nice and professional, ya fud.
SuperBowser
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This would be funny if it wasn't the strategy Conservatives have been playing for the last decade. Just watch an interview with Jeremy Hunt during the doctors' strike. It's all the same robotic nonsense. The only difference now is the interviewer has half a brain.
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