Exactly my sentiments. Why does the game has to be what you want? It's the story he wants to tell, and he doesn't have to make it political...a story could be just, a story, you know?
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David Cage says Detroit has nothing to say, not overtly political.
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Exactly my sentiments. Why does the game has to be what you want? It's the story he wants to tell, and he doesn't have to make it political...a story could be just, a story, you know?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Hopefully he just means he's not going to explicitly tell the player how to feel about what's going on in the game. That's the most charitable interpretation I can give him. If that's not what he means and he thinks this game is actually devoid of content that can be interpreted politically... welp.
A story about fucken slavery
the_darkness
Banned
As opposed to which other point in time exactly?
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Everything is political. "I don't want to be political" is political. It's a choice. Anyone who's gotten past college should know this.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Wolfenstein just showed like 20 minutes of Nazis being butchered in various ways which is fairly political.
Detroit is about slavery so idk, guess that's not political.
Imagine being an artist who can't develop a clear thought process for his or her artwork, and instead of critically understanding it's creation, abandons it entirely with a distinct lack of message.
You want to make a game about attempting to discover and explain emotions outside of prior context, maybe an autobiography would provide some insight, David.
You want to make a game about attempting to discover and explain emotions outside of prior context, maybe an autobiography would provide some insight, David.
But it's already political. Like literally the whole main point and concept of the game to begin with is political.
I don't doubt that he genuinely thinks he can make a game like this apolitical considering he thinks he's somehow being novel by using a story about androids becoming self-aware as a lens to explore the human condition.
This game is about a subjugated worker/slave class fighting against their oppressors for their individual rights and freedoms.
You don't have to "force" a message. It already is the message.
Zvonimir Boban
Banned
Stories are political inherently.
Garrett Hawke
Member
Sure, and the personally insults are unnecessary. But as someone who enjoyed HR and Beyond I think there is definitely room for improvement, and a game about robot slaves set in Detroit immediately has political connotations whether he wants to acknowledge them or not
benicillin
Banned
I mean that's what he says in the interview, he's just asking questions and exploring themes and wants players to explore how they feel.
This feels like the reverse of the Far Cry 5 situation, where they stumbled into making an intensely political game and embraced the controversy, but instead of doing that we have the unfortunately tone deaf David Cage who started making a game about robots years ago and stumbled into an intensely political climate.
Surface of Me
I'm not an NPC. And neither are we.
This game probably is political, but this isnt a true statement.
He is avoiding potential heat, which I get.
I am in literal disbelief at the people here saying they're glad a game about slavery "isn't trying to be political"
Yes it is. Trying to not take a side is taking a side. Choosing to not make a choice is making a choice. It's saying you don't care.
silver.tongue
Member
Thats good.
I "love" this new reality where killing Nazis is suddenly a political statement.
We really failed as a society.
Except by it's very definiton it IS political. The parallels are too hard to ignore.
He has written a story about something political and said "nah bros it's not political, buy my game"
Without a message to tell the story he wrote is a cheapening of the very real issues going on right now and a sign that he can't write anything original.
It's a story essentially bout slavery bruh
CrackPebbles
Member
This is so confusing considering everything we've seen from the game so far, all of the narrative choices. Sounds like he's just trying to cover his ass to avoid controversy. How can you look at the e3 trailer and not say the game is political when its full of political overtones. It's message is so direct.
TetraGenesis
Member
Except it inherently is and you're just being willfully obtuse because you don't like the idea of politics in your video games. Guess what, they're there. No matter what you think or however the creator tries to underplay them.
It's remarkably terrible, even for Cage. I have no interest whatsoever in playing a story-driven game from someone talking like this.
His shit's always been bad, but at least he was trying.
somecrazymember
Banned
This. Wtf is wrong with some people in here. E3 seems to have turned a lot of gamers into little whiners 'My way or else ..!!!'
So should I make thread about almost every single COD, BF and many other shooter?
Slavery of white, african american, and asian androids. It's not just white people.
Aaronrules380
Member
Everything has always been political. It's not a new thing
Do you know what slavery is?
The story Im telling is really about androids, he told me in an interview after the demo. Theyre discovering emotions and wanting to be free. If people want to see parallels with this or that, thats fine with me. But my storys about androids who want to be free.
I dont want the game to have something to say, because I dont see myself delivering a message to people, he said. But Im definitely interested in asking questions to the player. Questions that are meaningful and that resonate with him as a person and a citizen. We live in a world thats full of hopes as well as fears. Fears about the present and also the future. Where are we going? Whats going to happen? I just want to ask these questions and see how people react.
It doesn't have to have any parallel to anything in the real world, doesn't have to be any allegory, if he says it isn't..sure, you could find an alternate meaning and critisicm of stuff like real world slavery, or delve into the debate about androids and humans.
It's going to end with a cool-ass Matrix fight between Marcus and the "Demon of Detroit", an ancient spirit (probably Native American because lolculturalsensitivity) who has secretly been mind-controlling the humans to enslave androids and treat them badly so he could somehow rule the world. He breaks the mind control and everyone lives happily ever after. The end.
the_darkness
Banned
In the other thread complaining about the androids being white males you got post after post expressing hope that Cage handles the story with subtlety yet everyone in this thread seems to want him to shout "yep this is totes my personal take on slavery guys!" from the rooftops.
He's bad at avoiding heat if he thinks slavery isn't political.
somecrazymember
Banned
Its not slavery. Its robots designed by humans.