CosmicGroinPull
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So their version of wonder woman involves the actress walking around with a camera attached underneath her skirt. Gotcha.
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Joss Whedons leaked Wonder Woman screenplay is mindblowingly sexist
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davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Is this what a porn script reads like if they even bother to write something?
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
Well, that's disappointing if true but I had heard a while ago that the script was not very good. I'm not a fan of Whedon as a director but I thought WB hiring him for Batgirl was a genius move. Now, I'm starting to dread his handling of the Killing Joke stuff.
But as much as I dislike Ultron and the shitty Black Widow / Banner romance, I didn't think the line about her being a monster was sexist. She's a trained killer, that's all.
They should have gone with Cass.
But as much as I dislike Ultron and the shitty Black Widow / Banner romance, I didn't think the line about her being a monster was sexist. She's a trained killer, that's all.
TissueBox
Member
He's the one who drew the art. (Aka penciller.)
LordOfLore
Banned
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Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
What the fuck, Whedon. :/ I can't believe he'd regress so much after Firefly? Is this script confirmed to be his?
Are we pretending Kaylee and Inarra don't exist now? Or Adelle DeWitt? C'mon, he's written plenty of varied, nuanced, complex and non-sexualized female characters. This is why this script is shockingly out of character for him. I wonder if he got carried away in some sort of masturbatory fantasy writing this shit or what...
Are we pretending Kaylee and Inarra don't exist now? Or Adelle DeWitt? C'mon, he's written plenty of varied, nuanced, complex and non-sexualized female characters. This is why this script is shockingly out of character for him. I wonder if he got carried away in some sort of masturbatory fantasy writing this shit or what...
Lol
Frank Miller is Agent Dale Cooper in "Twin" "Peaks"
Can someone explain the mansplaining bit of the OP? Yes the dialogue is awful, but I thought mansplaining was using stereotypically feminine terms to dumb down an explanation. The quote by Steve seems like it could have just as easily been delivered to a man. It's treating the audience like they're stupid more so than the opposing character.
What did he mean by this?
Member
What's the point of digging up this 10 year old script to drag Joss over the coals? Slow news day, or just trying to satisfy some other agenda -- like making negativity around Joss' larger role in the DCEU?
I'm just asking questions here...
I'm just asking questions here...
Adam_Vania
Banned
lol if this is for real then Whedon is such a hack
It also has The Joker with a Nazi henchman who has swastika pasties covering her breasts.
https://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/p8_5-copy-e1490781639624-600x579.jpg
I linked it because it is decidedly not safe for work.
It says he's maybe 30, with kind, determined eyes in a workingman's face. That's all.
He's not the bestest, most perfectestest male feminist ever but nothing he's ever done makes it seem like he would write anything on the level of this.
Mansplaining is when a man explains a concept to a woman in a dumbed down fashion while ignoring or not being aware of her competency in the subject at hand. Usually starts off with saying "Actually...."
And, I mean, yeah Diane is genuinely ignorant when it comes to the ways of life in London and requires guidance, although the good thing is this doesn't translate into stupidity or incompetence.
broncobuster
Banned
Is this the same script where Diana tells a young girl to get her own cat out of a tree?
I remember that was a cute Superman reference way back when.
I remember that was a cute Superman reference way back when.
The WW released had a positive reception but it might be interesting to compare it to one of Marvels key screenwriters.
But I think the real reason is that Joss was criticized for Jurassic World edit: correction it was a movie he did after he criticized JW -- the avengers ultron with the joke about prima nocte, then fired back about how he's been a feminist for 20 years, creator of strong female roles on television like Buffy, etc. And in that rebuttal he kind of denounces modern feminism, or one branch of it, I guess.
Since then, there's a devoted segment that really wants to tear him down. You can see echoes of it in this thread, e.g. one poster calling him a fake feminist.
This was actually a carry-over from a character Miller first introduced in Dark Knight Returns.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
wtf
MisterHero
Super Member
I finished it and it's not even that bad. It'd be interesting to talk to Whedon about certain choices and edits but the conniptions people are having are mostly unwarranted.
I'll say this though, setting the movie in World War 1 works WAY better than the club, South America, and Chimera scenes.
Puck Beaverton
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Puck Beaverton
Banned
Most script descriptions ain't masturbatory is the thing.
Son, just don't.
PhantomX1313
Member
That is fucking insult to the character Patty better oversee those Wonder Woman reshoots for JL
It's stil kind of a difference between "I didnt meant this to be sexist" and "I didnt mean this interpretation at all"
It's literally by accident, and something many people didn't interpret that way either.
cr0w
Old Member
As opposed to digging up things other famous people have done decades prior to current day and raking them over the coals over it?
This happens all the time, especially with social media. Whedon just happens to be someone whom the usual culprits like, so it's not a big deal, people can change. Right?
Hahaha, no way.
Captain Skeleton
Member
Nope.
Spike Spiegel
Member
Hey, that was just the first time he saw her naked, not the first time they met or interacted.
Yep. This script if Whedon wrote it solo is far better evidence of sexist attitudes or at least seriously missing the mark of what a good superhero film feat. Wonder Woman should be. But the Age of Ultron bit has always been comically distorted by some people.
MsKrisp
Member
Zack must've snuck that line in
Holy fuck, Clive Owen as Batman is something I never knew I wanted so badly
Yeah, same. He's never been as truly feminist as he's been touted, but this is the opposite end of the spectrum by a wide margin. There's 'not as feminist' and then there's 'completely, and utterly misogynist' which is what this script reads like.
I doubt his entire body of work, which has has always been feminism-lite, would suddenly take a complete utter drop off a cliff for one script
Ehh..I don't know. Dollhouse was kind of trash.
Fancyarcher
Member
Well that wasn't very good, but it wasn't going to get made as a film anyway, since WB was only mildly interested in a WW, that was back when they weren't interested in DC heroes outside of Batman / Superman anyway.
AOU was like just two years ago, and he's been laying low ever since. Kinda an exaggeration to say he's "fallen", if you ask me.
AOU was like just two years ago, and he's been laying low ever since. Kinda an exaggeration to say he's "fallen", if you ask me.
Escape Goat
Member
This sounds like BS.
Twig and Berries
Member
Lol you could switch Whedon with Snyder and I'm sure you could probably find the same defense in an old thread.
Or maybe that was your point haha