Thats all fine. As stated before, I dont eat much meat to begin with(not counting the endless list of products containing meat, from dressing to potato chips).
Still, as an underweight adult male, I need a certain amount of calories per meal, and the cheapest option is not strictly vegan.
In the end, its anecdotal. Its been the case for me and those I've known, but apparntly not for others.
You responded to me regarding the viability of being vegan in the wild without modern advances. Reliability is important. Humanity didn't evolve to thrive as vegan.
Not enough protein to go full vegan for me. Plus I really enjoy meats.
So, update:
I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.
It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.
Question for the vegans here: do you consider milking cows an act of rape?
So, update:
I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.
It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.
That is seriously insulting to victims of rape, holy shit... :\Reason I ask is that I have had a couple of (frankly, hilarious) debates with a girl I know about this very topic. She's adamant that it is rape. I disagree.
Not fully vegan but I still answer for myself, and answer is no. Now to give you counter question, since you came up with that idea, do you get off for thinking or actually doing milking? Or someone else who is meat eater?
Thanks, lol. It's a big thread. Then yeaaaah, I think y'all made the right choice. There's no point bringing it up again. Sometimes you have to shut up to avoid family drama. I'd count yourself almost lucky, my brother and sister-in-law didn't vaccinate their kid....
Yes I won't dispute the brother in law was a bit of a dick for the way this was handled (as I said), just trying to give context for why people might act the way they do.
I think it's just a really hard thing for meat eaters to understand because (I imagine) meat triggers so many positive reactions on a psychological level for them when they see, smell, and taste it.
Not fully vegan but I still answer for myself, and answer is no. Now to give you counter question, since you came up with that idea, do you get off for thinking or actually doing milking? Or someone else who is meat eater?
Do vegan/vegetarian restaurants generally have 'fake meat' dishes? I love a good vegan/vegetarian meal done well, but I can't stand fake meat.Although I'm sure you could find a really nice vegan restaurant? I've taken many meat eaters to vegan restaurants and blown their minds with how nice food can be without meat or dairy.
Only really easy if you're in/near a city.
Now, this IS something you should bring up. Good luck with them though.
Yeah, the chance that you happened upon the stereotypical tumblr warrior was always in the back of my mind. It's why I left in the "likely" and "almost" mentions.
All I can say is, condolences. I've never met someone that unreasonable before...wait..scratch that I'm related to someone like that only over different subjects
Do vegan/vegetarian restaurants generally have 'fake meat' dishes? I love a good vegan/vegetarian meal done well, but I can't stand fake meat.
Do vegan/vegetarian restaurants generally have 'fake meat' dishes? I love a good vegan/vegetarian meal done well, but I can't stand fake meat.
My parents tried and tried and it caused a lot of ill-will. Some people are going to choose to be ignorant no matter what you do =( I just hope nothing happens.
That's a good compromise but if you're on vacation for a week together surely going to one vegan restaurant would be a good gesture. I know that if I was on a week vacation with a vegan family member I wouldn't mind giving up meat for one night to accommodate them about better. Assuming there are vegan restaurants nearby.
There's enviromental reasons, health reasons and ethical reasons. What about them don't you understandI don't understand vegans or vegetarians really. Trying to deny and subvert human biology... we are the top of the food chain, millions of years of evolution have led to this point. Just reeks of playing god, or at the very least, being sanctimonious. Eat or be eaten, that's what I say.
There's enviromental reasons, health reasons and ethical reasons. What about them don't you understand
I don't understand vegans or vegetarians really. Trying to deny and subvert human biology... we are the top of the food chain, millions of years of evolution have led to this point. Just reeks of playing god, or at the very least, being sanctimonious. Eat or be eaten, that's what I say.
It varies a lot. In my experience, higher end restaurants don't usually use analogues, though not all cheaper restaurants use them, especially if it's a health-focused restaurant. But it also depends on your definition of 'fake meat'. Tofu, tempeh, or soy curls aren't necessarily analogues, though they can be depending on how they are prepared.Do vegan/vegetarian restaurants generally have 'fake meat' dishes? I love a good vegan/vegetarian meal done well, but I can't stand fake meat.
Nothing on HappyCow?Couldn't find any vegan or vegetarian restaurants around here :/
Pro-tip: the motivation behind rape isn't necessarily sexual
I hope this doesn't mean what I think it does.
Thanks for the idea. I'm going to look it up now. I'm not super hopeful though. There is no city around, only a few smaller towns. And people in this part of the country are really proud of their seafood, so finding a restaurant that doesn't serve seafood would probably be tough
I hope this doesn't mean what I think it does.
Yeah, for this reason, I have been asked by everyone else not to bring it up again
We will eat vegan or vegetarian some days but won't limit ourselves to it every day
Often it's more about power and control
What do you think it means?
Oh yeah, South Asian vegetarian dishes are just amazing. Falafels are good too. How does vegan pizza taste like? The idea kind of scares me off.Depends. There are ones near us that have 0 fake meat dishes and are just curries, pizza, falafel or jackfruit recipes - then there are a couple that deal only in "fake meats". Usually not actually fake meat but like Chinese meat dishes recreated with tofu or soy.
I think that's the issue for me too. There's an uncanny valley in terms of how it tastes that just sets me off. I love tofu in many kinds of dishes, as long as it's not as fake meat.A lot of them. There's a vegan noodle shop near me that has a variety of soy protein based 'meats'. I just go for tofu if I eat there. I'm a meat eater and I find fake meat off-putting. I like tofu, so eating at a vegetarian/vegan restaurant is not a hardship for me.
I've enjoyed seitan with mushrooms/bamboo shoots/water chestnuts/baby corn. I don't think it was trying to replicate any specific meat. But seitan prepared as fake meat I also can't stand.Tofu, tempeh, or soy curls aren't necessarily analogues, though they can be depending on how they are prepared.
I don't understand vegans or vegetarians really. Trying to deny and subvert human biology... we are the top of the food chain, millions of years of evolution have led to this. Just reeks of playing god, or at the very least, being sanctimonious. Eat or be eaten, that's what I say.
I don't understand vegans or vegetarians really. Trying to deny and subvert human biology... we are the top of the food chain, millions of years of evolution have led to this point. Just reeks of playing god, or at the very least, being sanctimonious. Eat or be eaten, that's what I say.
Even if it's something you don't like, why wouldn't you be grateful?
Oh yeah, South Asian vegetarian dishes are just amazing. Falafels are good too. How does vegan pizza taste like? The idea kind of scares me off.
I don't understand vegans or vegetarians really. Trying to deny and subvert human biology... we are the top of the food chain, millions of years of evolution have led to this point. Just reeks of playing god, or at the very least, being sanctimonious. Eat or be eaten, that's what I say.
Trying to deny the environmental, health, and ethical impacts of eating meat just reeks of lack of empathy, elitism, and ignorance. It's 100% unnecessary for humans to eat meat.
some kf the livestock used for nitrogen balance of the soil for crops do need to be culled in the spring when the numbers get high
Trying to deny the environmental, health, and ethical impacts of eating meat just reeks of lack of empathy, elitism, and ignorance. It's 100% unnecessary for humans to eat meat.
That's a good compromise but if you're on vacation for a week together surely going to one vegan restaurant would be a good gesture. I know that if I was on a week vacation with a vegan family member I wouldn't mind giving up meat for one night to accommodate them about better. Assuming there are vegan restaurants nearby.
Care to back that up with some sources? You're going against pretty much every major medical organization with that claim.I would disagree with this statement if the goal is to thrive and be healthy.
Care to back that up with some sources? You're going against pretty much every major medical organization with that claim.
Yes I won't dispute the brother in law was a bit of a dick for the way this was handled (as I said), just trying to give context for why people might act the way they do.
I think it's just a really hard thing for meat eaters to understand because (I imagine) meat triggers so many positive reactions on a psychological level for them when they see, smell, and taste it.
Trying to deny the environmental, health, and ethical impacts of eating meat just reeks of lack of empathy, elitism, and ignorance. It's 100% unnecessary for humans to eat meat.
Wait, then why should I think that anything you're saying has any basis in fact?No, I don't care to do so.
So, update:
I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.
It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.
If I didn't lack the self discipline, I'd be a vegetarian too for health reasons. Or actually I could just adjust my diet to include vegetables at all, would be a start.I don't understand vegans or vegetarians really. Trying to deny and subvert human biology... we are the top of the food chain, millions of years of evolution have led to this point. Just reeks of playing god, or at the very least, being sanctimonious. Eat or be eaten, that's what I say.