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[BlackGoku03]

On the subject of cost effectiveness of being vegetarian/vegan, it is much cheaper of a diet. I just don't get where people think it somehow costs more or only for the upper class.

A Vegetarian Diet Can Save You Roughly $750 A Year: Study

Being vegan now for over 6 months and my grocery bill has dropped significantly.

Produce and grocery costs vary all around the US. The South, especially, has a lot of catching up to do. A vegan diet is pricey here and requires going to certain stores that are out of town in larger cities. It's just not feasible for those who are on food stamps or don't have a large budget for food.

And whole foods are expensive.

A lot of vegans eat healthy too which also adds more to the price.

Let's not pretend everyone is in the same situation and is just eating meat because it's their choice... more like a necessity for some.

 

[Ghost]

I can kinda understand where all these warrior vegans (as opposed to the ones who aren't interested in trying to make other people feel bad) are coming from. Mass market farming is horrendous and it's been getting worse right under our noses for generations, but the way I see it is that if the goal is to stop people eating meat, then their approach is really not very smart. Western society runs on gratification, if you want them to do something, make them feel good about it.

And if the Brother in law in this case genuinely didn't want to offend anyone but knew he wouldn't be able to sit at a table where fish is being eaten, then he really should have checked what was going to be on the table before he turned up. So he's either an ass, or just kinda dumb.


On the general Vegan theme:

A comedian in the UK made a mockumentary called Carnage for the BBC, it was set 80 or so years in the future and everyone is Vegan for many reasons, some real, some comedic. I'd recommend it for everyone, the guy that made it is a vegan and has an agenda but he's also very upfront about that and pokes fun at all sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=930Xef1ri4M

It did genuinely make me think (as a meat eater) about how future generations will view the way we farm animals.

 

[frankie_baby]

We don't whine about it. We eat what we get. But how nice would you feel if you were invited somewhere, and the table is full of food, and then you only get a something like a side dish.

It will make you think that maybe we'll just decline next time. It's not like cooking a vegan meal for one day is gonna require a lot from, well, anyone. It's as simple as saying "let's try a vegan lasanga tonight instead of the one we usually make".

How does it make sense to instead make one ordinary lasagna, then maybe one extra lasagna, or maybe not an extra vegan lasagna. The vegans can just eat the lettuce, right? They like that.

How hard is it to understand that cooking a vegan meal is just that, a meal? We're having the vegans over, so let's try a vegan one! It's not like it's dangerous. Hell, you might even like it.

Edit: I see several people are quoting this post, and I wrote it in a way that makes it seem to some like this is a huge deal to me that I'm very angry about. It's not. I

Its a vegans choice to suffer eating vegan food, why should anyone who isnt vegan make themselves suffer too

 

[WaterAstro]

My experience with a few vegan "friends" is that they were pretty hostile about eating meat or seafood.

I know not every vegan is like that, but, for some reason, these people, who did not want to be friends with a meat-eater, had real issues with anyone who was willing to eat meat like it was disobeying some sort of religious commandment.

 

[prag16]

It's ridiculous and beyond self-absorbed.

Don't bother. He was told this by several posters myself included about 20+ pages ago. He doesn't care; he's still on this.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Don't bother. He was told this by several posters myself included about 20+ pages ago. He doesn't care; he's still on this.

Yeah, I suppose so. It's just sad seeing real-life caricatures. And there's been more than one in this thread. They're doing the sane, non-preachy vegans no favours here.

 

[psychowave]

Why is okay to draw the line at species rather than, say, ethnicity or nationality or gender? Again, in an objective sense, beyond "I'm not personally comfortable with it."

Because objectively, biologically speaking, humans are more capable of suffering than animals. Some animals are also more capable of suffering than others; this is why, for example, laws on animal experimentation are much harsher if you want to work with chimpanzees than if you want to work with mice. Purely based on their biological capacity for suffering.

Who are you even talking to? I mean yeah the whole Maddox "hurr I'm going to eat 3 animals for the 0 you eat" or whatever is dumb as fuck, but I haven't seen much of that ITT. I have seen, however, comparisons between meat eaters and racists/sexists....

Cmon, seriously? This thread is filled with "go and eat meat in front of him" type comments, and even one saying that he should hide meat in their food.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

So, update:

I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.

It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.

 

[Nerazar]

Because objectively, biologically speaking, humans are more capable of suffering than animals. Some animals are also more capable of suffering than others; this is why, for example, laws on animal experimentation are much harsher if you want to work with chimpanzees than if you want to work with mice. Purely based on their biological capacity for suffering.

This is how it's handled now, that's true. But it's still rather arbitrary like the notion that a kitten or pup should not be part of your diet, but a lamb or a calf should. The capability of suffering shouldn't define anyone's worth or else we would have to start killing off people in a coma or whatever metric you use to define "value" or "lifeworthiness".

It's all or nothing, logically. Living beings have value which should put them above the food chain or death squads, because we have the possibility to choose our diet. An animal may not.

We still need those scientific results, but we have to eventually size down that operation, because the number of animals killed in that process is staggering. However, that's only a small drop compared to what the meat industry grinds down or shreds every day. And those beings were born into this world, feel pain and attachment to one another or other species. But that's before the chainsaw or the grinder. After that, it's just a "delicious" source of protein. Yum.

@OP:
That should be the way of least resistance which might be the best way of handling things. Personally, I would say live and let live and to go separate ways from now on during food gatherings. I can relate to the need of a nice environment and since they live in a vegan household, they might be accustomed to that choice for a long time. Which is good, because I don't see much reason to compromise on your values anyway. It's more attuned to the person you chose to be and that should be front and center in this debate.

 

[FallingEdge]

Plenty of protein can be found in plants. It's really not that difficult.


For chicken, 518 gallons per pound. And about 52 gallons per egg. This is from Water Footprint Network, rather than the industry study that touted just 441 gallons per pound of beef. A more accurate number for beef would be about 1845 gallons per pound.

Here are the sources they used for those numbers:
http://wfn.project-platforms.com/Reports/Mekonnen-Hoekstra-2012-WaterFootprintFarmAnimalProducts.pdf
http://wfn.project-platforms.com/Reports/Report-48-WaterFootprint-AnimalProducts-Vol1.pdf

I consume around 260 grams of protein a day. Eating that many "plants" would be annoying and difficult.

I didn't read the book, but I saw the Netflix documentary. At one point they claimed you can fix diabetes buy eating eating lots of sugar. Pretty much checked out after that, I was like oh this dudes freaking crazy lol.
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They also claimed all you need is 30g of protein and even that is overkill. I was like yeah ok🙄

lol @ 30g.

sure brah.

 

[Realeza]

I would laugh in his stupid face while I chew my delicious fish.

 

[Paz]

I'm vegetarian for moral/religious reasons and while I regularly eat with folks who are chowing down dead animal it can sometimes be a bit of a repulsive experience, I wouldn't begrudge anyone for not being able to handle it (and I do know several folks who won't).

Yeah it makes your brother in law a bit of a dick for ruining what should've been a nice family dinner (And they did go out of their way to prepare a vegan option which is lovely) but it's also not exactly a huge deal imo.

Also for what it's worth, seafood is one of the biggest triggers for making me uncomfortable due to the extremely strong smell, so that might be playing in to things for them as well. Just remember that for many the sight/smell of cooked meat isn't mouth watering or appealing at all and actually can be quite a foul thing.

 

[BlackGoku03]

So, update:

I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.

It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.

So he CAN eat in the same room/building, he just had to make his point extra clear yesterday by leaving the house.

Sheesh.

I'm glad you and your family aren't changing your habits just for one person. I'm sure if he asked, and had a nice conversation about it, things would have gone differently.

I would still offer him to sit with all of you just to be nice.

 

[Preezy]

Question for the vegans here: do you consider milking cows an act of rape?

 

[psychowave]

This is how it's handled now, that's true. But it's still rather arbitrary like the notion that a kitten or pup should not be part of your diet, but a lamb or a calf should. The capability of suffering shouldn't define anyone's worth or else we would have to start killing off people in a coma or whatever metric you use to define "value" or "lifeworthiness".

It's all or nothing, logically. Living being have value which should put them above the food chain or death squads, because we have the possibility to choose our diet. An animal may not.

We still need those scientific results, but we have to eventually size down that operation, because the number of animals killed in that process is staggering. However, that's only a small drop compared to what the meat industry grinds down or shreds every day. And those beings were born into this world, feel pain and attachment to one another or other species. But that's before the chainsaw or the grinder. After that, it's just a "delicious" source of protein. Yum.

Oh, don't get me wrong, even though I'm not a vegan (personal reasons), I believe veganism to be the morally superior choice, though mostly because of the environmental disaster that is the meat industry and the way the animals are treated and not because I hold animal lives to the same standard as human lives.

I believe you can't put animals and humans on the same level, or even all animals on the same level as each other. As Charles Darwin put it, the difference between humans and animals is in degree, not in kind; we are very much alike, but we're also very advanced in comparison to them. I'm trying to see things practically; a human death causes a much higher amount of suffering than the death of a chimpanzee, which in turn causes much more suffering than the death of a cow, etc.

Of course, as you point out, what's the difference between a lamb and a dog? They're probably roughly the same in terms of the suffering they go through when they or members of their family are hurt. The only reason we're okay with eating lamb and not dog is social constructs (in Western culture, at least). Where do we draw the line? I'm afraid I can't answer that question.

EDIT: And when I say "morally superior" I mean I believe it to be the best choice for the world, not that non-vegans are immoral or bad people. English isn't my first language and I struggle sometimes, so I hope I don't cause any offense.

 

[Zaphrynn]

So, update:

I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.

It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.

Have you tried to open up a dialogue with the actual sister and brother-in-law? Listen to what they have to say, and then tell them how you felt?

Question for the vegans here: do you consider milking cows an act of rape?

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[Inferno313]

Question for the vegans here: do you consider milking cows an act of rape?

I wouldn't say it that way, but constantly impregnating cows so that you can slaughter the calf for veal and keep the cow producing milk is really horrible.

 

[Preezy]

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Reason I ask is that I have had a couple of (frankly, hilarious) debates with a girl I know about this very topic. She's adamant that it is rape. I disagree.

 

[Boney]

I didn't read the book, but I saw the Netflix documentary. At one point they claimed you can fix diabetes buy eating eating lots of sugar. Pretty much checked out after that, I was like oh this dudes freaking crazy lol.
Edit-

They also claimed all you need is 30g of protein and even that is overkill. I was like yeah ok🙄

The documentary isn't produced by the author and does have some weird failings. Like they imply vegan diet will magically make you recover.

Produce and grocery costs vary all around the US. The South, especially, has a lot of catching up to do. A vegan diet is pricey here and requires going to certain stores that are out of town in larger cities. It's just not feasible for those who are on food stamps or don't have a large budget for food.

And whole foods are expensive.

A lot of vegans eat healthy too which also adds more to the price.

Let's not pretend everyone is in the same situation and is just eating meat because it's their choice... more like a necessity for some.

They're called food deserts. Cities ravaged by deindustralization where pretty much you can only find proccesed fats and sugar in the vecinity. They're poverty pockets in the US that resemble the most miserable underdeveloped countries.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I didn't expect GAF to shame the dude so harshly after reading the OP.

After you stop eating meat, it becomes really gross and disturbing to you. I don't really understand what would be so difficult to grasp about that. I kind of see it happen to myself in some capacity after reducing my meat intake drastically. It's really unappetizing.

 

[Izuna]

So, update:

I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.

It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.

Good

 

[HawksWinStanley]

Have you tried to open up a dialogue with the actual sister and brother-in-law? Listen to what they have to say, and then tell them how you felt?

I could be wrong but I thought OP said earlier in the thread that he did approach him after it happened and, while the bro-in-law was relatively respectful when he first left the table, he started with his preachy guilt trip spiel once OP tried to talk to him.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

So he CAN eat in the same room/building, he just had to make his point extra clear yesterday by leaving the house.

Sheesh.

I'm glad you and your family aren't changing your habits just for one person. I'm sure if he asked, and had a nice conversation about it, things would have gone differently.

I would still offer him to sit with all of you just to be nice.

Well of course we'll let him sit at our table if he wants to, but if he wants to go outside, I promised my parents not to make any comments about it.

Question for the vegans here: do you consider milking cows an act of rape?

My sister and brother-in-law have said literally just that :/

 

[Servbot24]

I guess it kinda depends on whether or not you think your individual actions will make a difference. There are lots of vegans in the world, so by eating vegan you are joining a collective that influences the way food is produced.

Are there lots of people that refuse to eat almonds, though? Not likely. Your refusal to eat almonds will probably not do very much at all.

It's not really about making a difference, it's about being true to the direction I want to see in the world.

 

[twofoldd]

Not enough protein to go full vegan for me. Plus I really enjoy meats.

I'm not vegan (and have no interest in going vegan), but Clarence Kennedy is and manages to get enough protein to fuel his gains - https://barbend.com/clarence-kennedy-vegan-diet/ / https://barbend.com/clarence-kennedy-powerlifting-weightlifting/

With that in mind, Irish Olympic weightlifter Clarence Kennedy is causing something of a storm with his vegan diet. He's strong. This guy is strong. He's filmed himself back squatting 300kg (661lb), deadlifting 340kg (750lb), pause front squatting 250kg (551lb) , pause bench pressing 200kg (440lb), clean & jerking 220kg (485lb) at around 100kg bodyweight and snatching 185kg (407lb) at around 94kg bodyweight with straps.

 

[Contica]

lol, yeah sure it's my fault for "misreading" your posts:


And of course the post (which you now edited to make it less angry, but the point is the same):

You are clearly saying that people should just make a vegan meal for everyone because non-vegans can eat vegans too. I mean it's already crazy to think the host should accommodate your lifestyle choice, but you are unhappy and even call it disrespectful when they go the extra mile and make a vegan dish for you, because they don't go all the way and make the whole meal vegan for everyone. It's ridiculous and beyond self-absorbed.

Show me where I said I expected anything.

Going by your logic, I should be super grateful if I'm even served food, when I'm invited for dinner.

Meh, I'm done debating this nonsense. You've established the kind of fucked up fantasy land you think I live in. Good for you.

 

[Zaphrynn]

Reason I ask is that I have had a couple of (frankly, hilarious) debates with a girl I know about this very topic. She's adamant that it is rape. I disagree.

I feel very fortunate for the vegans I've known in my life wowee. A good friend of mine was hardcore vegan and an animal activist, and she was one of the first people to make me really think about my life as a meat-eater. Never felt condescended by her. I also have family that is vegan, and you wouldn't really know it other than at the dinner table, haha. I have met some of the crazy ones, but I find they're about as common as the people who act like veganism is an assault on their identity.

But wow that girl. Lol.

 

[Boney]

So, update:

I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.

It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.

Ah that's a bit of a shame you guys didn't end up going vegetarian. Not that you needed to or were obligated to, but it was a great gesture in solidarity and family bonding.

 

[Izuna]

Ah that's a bit of a shame you guys didn't end up going vegetarian. Not that you needed to or were obligated to, but it was a great gesture in solidarity and family bonding.

What? Why would the family go vegetarian?

 

[meow]

So, update:

I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.

It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.

I read the first two pages and the last page and this seems like a good solution. Good for you!

 

[hydrophilic attack]

I could be wrong but I thought OP said earlier in the thread that he did approach him after it happened and, while the bro-in-law was relatively respectful when he first left the table, he started with his preachy guilt trip spiel once OP tried to talk to him.

Yeah, for this reason, I have been asked by everyone else not to bring it up again

Ah that's a bit of a shame you guys didn't end up going vegetarian. Not that you needed to or were obligated to, but it was a great gesture in solidarity and family bonding.

We will eat vegan or vegetarian some days but won't limit ourselves to it every day

 

[ironmang]

Ah that's a bit of a shame you guys didn't end up going vegetarian. Not that you needed to or were obligated to, but it was a great gesture in solidarity and family bonding.

Sounds like they did plenty of bonding against his idiot brother-in- law.

 

[Gunslinger]

Sounds like something that vegan nut what's his name Gary something? Would do....as a matter of fact he did. I recall seeing an interview with him where he says he walked out on his family for ordering cheese. I think he doesn't even talk to them anymore.

 

[BlackGoku03]

What? Why would the family go vegetarian?

They were thinking about going vegan/vegetarian for the rest of the vacation to appease the brother in law. I'm glad they didn't. That's not how you reward that type of behavior.

 

[Wereroku]

I'm vegetarian for moral/religious reasons and while I regularly eat with folks who are chowing down dead animal it can sometimes be a bit of a repulsive experience, I wouldn't begrudge anyone for not being able to handle it (and I do know several folks who won't).

Yeah it makes your brother in law a bit of a dick for ruining what should've been a nice family dinner (And they did go out of their way to prepare a vegan option which is lovely) but it's also not exactly a huge deal imo.

Also for what it's worth, seafood is one of the biggest triggers for making me uncomfortable due to the extremely strong smell, so that might be playing in to things for them as well. Just remember that for many the sight/smell of cooked meat isn't mouth watering or appealing at all and actually can be quite a foul thing.

But I am sure you inform people ahead of time about your preferences. The issue here seems to be that the sister and husband just did this without warning. If they had let the family know of their preferences about having any meat at the table I am sure something could have been worked out.

 

[HawksWinStanley]

What? Why would the family go vegetarian?

For the brother-in-law's sake, so they can all eat together.

Apparently the vegan brother-in-law can muster up the courage to sit down with vegetarians...but will still judge and resent them for consuming animal products.

 

[PandaShake]

So, update:

I discussed with the rest of my family, and we aren't going to avoid eating meat or fish for the rest of the week. We'll just let them eat at another table if they want to (and possibly laugh at them when they're out earshot). And I'll refrain from making comments about it.

It's a bit of a shame, because we usually have a tradition of going to a really nice restaurant all together, but I guess we'll go without them. Their loss.

Casually hold the door for him outside with his plate in hand would be hilarious, but mean.

But yea, letting him be is probably best plan.

Show me where I said I expected anything.

I'm budding into yous two's conversation, but your statements imply you expect everyone in the table to eat the same thing otherwise you feel disrespected. Even furthering by commenting how hard would it be to try vegan meal.

 

[tattooed_dwarf]

Question for the vegans here: do you consider milking cows an act of rape?

Not fully vegan but I still answer for myself, and answer is no. Now to give you counter question, since you came up with that idea, do you get off for thinking or actually doing milking? Or someone else who is meat eater?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Show me where I said I expected anything.

Going by your logic, I should be super grateful if I'm even served food, when I'm invited for dinner.

Meh, I'm done debating this nonsense. You've established the kind of fucked up fantasy land you think I live in. Good for you.

Bitching about getting a vegan course because other people have a different set of food is literally living in a fantasy land.

 

[Llyranor]

They were thinking about going vegan/vegetarian for the rest of the vacation to appease the brother in law. I'm glad they didn't. That's not how you reward that type of behavior.

Yeah. I can see a family being accommodating and going vegan for a short while as a show of solidarity for a vegan family member. I wouldn't mind doing that myself.

But as a reward after a tantrum? No way, absolutely​ not.

 

[Pesmerga00]

This thread is weird. My Dad has been a butcher for nearly 40 years. To some of you he is literally Hitler. WTF

 

[Izuna]

For the brother-in-law's sake, so they can all eat together.

Apparently the vegan brother-in-law can muster up the courage to sit down with vegetarians...but will still judge and resent them for consuming animal products.

Yes but, it's a whole week. It's an insane accommodation especially since they weren't exactly grateful beforehand.

 

[Contica]

Bitching about getting a vegan course because other people have a different set of food is literally living in a fantasy land.

Oh whatever. As I said in my very first post, I never do what OPs brother in law did. I never say anything, no matter what. I'm "bitching" because I'm online, and people blow even the tiniest things out of proportion.

I mean look at the outrage generated by one person wanting to leave the table.

 

[Nerazar]

My experience with a few vegan "friends" is that they were pretty hostile about eating meat or seafood.

I know not every vegan is like that, but, for some reason, these people, who did not want to be friends with a meat-eater, had real issues with anyone who was willing to eat meat like it was disobeying some sort of religious commandment.

Yeah, because the sick choice is NOT to consume dead animals. And since you see your vegan friends as "friends", I just have to assume that you took a good part in those hostilities. Come on, be better than that. Own up to your choice and whatever consequences that will have, but don't blame other people for your narrow point of view.

However, I still find it pretty amusing how easy it is for people on the left to mistreat fellow human beings just because of a dietary (!) choice which involves less violence. So people who are actively chosing NOT to hurt living beings are being childish, dumb, terrorists, zealots or whatever words may have come up in this thread. The mindsets portrayed in this thread are the reason why the left is losing hard. Really hard.

People notice when there's someone who lacks moral integrity. And the vast majority of posts portrays that lack thereof almost beautifully. We are to believe that biological sex is a social construct and basically every cultural code we live by is too. That we should treat another with respect and dignity and not objectify women and not oppress minorities and everything else and of course being open-minded about different lifestyles and encouraging every individual to find their own path... and then in the next moment:

"That piece of meat looks delicious! Let's kill it and consume it, because we are stronger and we are right! This is how humans did it all the time! I need that protein / B12!" and of course "Those vegans are stupid / bad / crazy, right? Something went totally wrong in their lives! They should stop preaching their lifestyle choice and just shut up and let me taste this delicious corpse without any moral interference!" while proudly announcing your support for a Gay Pride Parade. Trump supporters and others sense that disparity. And it's definitely hurting the cause.

I noticed the weak attempts of telling me that hurting living being A is different from hurting living being B. I mean, you could have a BBQ with a Trump supporter and actually agree on a lot of things, because oh boy, there's not much difference there.

That was a really broad stroke and a bit of venting and I don't want everyone here to be the "target" of that rant, because there are good people here as well who, whatever their choice is, are at least able to think this situation through and to emphasize. For every 10 hate-posts there is a hopeful one as well and that indicates that there is something good going on.

It's just that I had to speak up personally, because I have given a lot of thought into this for many years and reading those posts AGAINST the ones who left, because they felt it was wrong to participate in that behavior, I decided to stop being a "good vegan" for once and to voice my disagreement. It may be harsh, very much so, but it's the truth which can only be obtained if you no longer participate in those behaviors. For progressives, becoming vegetarian is not even a choice, it's an obligation at some point, be it because of health, climate or moral issues. Going vegan would be even better, but that's just me "preaching" again.

 

[Mimir]

I consume around 260 grams of protein a day. Eating that many "plants" would be annoying and difficult.



lol @ 30g.

sure brah.

Seems a bit overkill, since the recommended protein intake is about 2 g/kg of body weight for strength training, but should still be doable.

I wouldn't say it that way, but constantly impregnating cows so that you can slaughter the calf for veal and keep the cow producing milk is really horrible.

Yeah, I avoid using the word rape, because it tends to make people very defensive, but the artificial insemination process is not a kind practice.

 

[BlackGoku03]

Yeah. I can see a family being accommodating and going vegan for a short while as a show of solidarity for a vegan family member. I wouldn't mind doing that myself.

But as a reward after a tantrum? No way, absolutely​ not.

To be fair, the bro in law didn't throw a tantrum. But it was still rude no matter how many of his defenders don't see it that way. They "just don't understand/see how it's rude" to walk out of dinner with the extended family.

lol

Yeah... I would do it for a couple of days out of the week if asked, but it's hard. I've done it before for a week and could never feel full. I cheated one day and had some cheese on my broccoli and it was so damn good and satisfying.

 

[norm9]

Going by your logic, I should be super grateful if I'm even served food, when I'm invited for dinner.

Even if it's something you don't like, why wouldn't you be grateful?

 

[Iorv3th]

Next time set up a kids table for them.

I'd do this or just not invite them back. My sister in law is vegan so she eats her own thing but doesn't make a stink about other people eating meat.

Not eating together won't be an option in the short-term. We're all together under the same roof for a family vacation. So I guess the rest of us will just have to eat vegetarian food (he seems to be ok with us eating vegetarian, we don't have to go full vegan) for the rest of the week

It is an option, you can eat meat or whatever and he can get over it. That fish isn't magically going to reincarnate because he left the table and didn't see it get eaten.

 

[Zaphrynn]

I could be wrong but I thought OP said earlier in the thread that he did approach him after it happened and, while the bro-in-law was relatively respectful when he first left the table, he started with his preachy guilt trip spiel once OP tried to talk to him.

Well of course we'll let him sit at our table if he wants to, but if he wants to go outside, I promised my parents not to make any comments about it.



My sister and brother-in-law have said literally just that :/

Yeah, for this reason, I have been asked by everyone else not to bring it up again



We will eat vegan or vegetarian some days but won't limit ourselves to it every day

Thanks, lol. It's a big thread. Then yeaaaah, I think y'all made the right choice. There's no point bringing it up again. Sometimes you have to shut up to avoid family drama. I'd count yourself almost lucky, my brother and sister-in-law didn't vaccinate their kid....

 

[Paz]

But I am sure you inform people ahead of time about your preferences. The issue here seems to be that the sister and husband just did this without warning. If they had let the family know of their preferences about having any meat at the table I am sure something could have been worked out.

Yes I won't dispute the brother in law was a bit of a dick for the way this was handled (as I said), just trying to give context for why people might act the way they do.

I think it's just a really hard thing for meat eaters to understand because (I imagine) meat triggers so many positive reactions on a psychological level for them when they see, smell, and taste it.