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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Arya will ambush the annual "Shady side-characters" meeting and take out Melisandre, Littlefinger, Varys and Qyburn all at once.
DarkJediKnight
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I'm just waiting for that eventual moment where he begs Sam to forgive him.
sunshine and gasoline
Banned
Yeah...I doubt that they did such a thing.
Come on. I can't be the only one who thought that scene was meant to imply Randyll enjoyed it, and Jaime found the practice a bit weird.
There are seven episodes this season
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
There is probably a brown streak all the way to KL from where old man Tarly nope'd out after seeing a dragon.
Seductivpancakes
Member
Was Cersei gonna hire a bunch of mercs from Essos? The Golden Company?
Yes, secret army. You apparently spend a bunch of money and an elite fighting force appears to destroy your enemies.
Seductivpancakes
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Just like video games.
I want Bran to quote this scene from his creepy mind library.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JofBlnXsACg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JofBlnXsACg
Best ginger minge in the show.
DarkJediKnight
Member
Bran goes to watch sex and comes away with Littlefibger's master plan.
I love that deleted scene with Tywin. So eerie to see him assume this calm, commanding presence all of a sudden.
Atomic Odin
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I reminds me, I never did look up season 6's deleted scenes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnQxBP6FzDU
They filmed a lot of play stuff.
I love this shot 'cus they didn't bother editing out the cars and whatnot since they didn't use it for the show.
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Ghost looks weird here.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean seriously. Did they not see their leader on the giant fuck off dragon go down?
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
Papa Tarly is crispy at this point.
Does the Dany and Jon scene take on a new meaning, if what Dany is trying to get Jon to do, is propose to her when she tells him to bend the knee in the cave?
"I will fight for you, I will fight for the North."
That sounds more personal than someone agreeing to send troops to fight alongside an alley. Think of it as a Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand II like situation. The coming together of the crowns of Castile and Aragon essentially starts the unification of Spain, and together they finish the process of Reconquista.
Dany left Mereen with a purpose of taking the Iron Throne. But she also left Mereen with the explicit idea that she had to make herself available for marriage in order to cement alliances. Dany is a Queen, Jon is a King; neither will accept to fully move to one person's side or the other without overtures. But marriage changes that. It won't be two separate crowns, with two competing groups of people to appease. It would instead be a single crown that represents both groups.
Now I personally think this episode shows that both Jon and Dany are warming up to each other (and the producers essentially state the same thing). But marriages have been arranged and fulfilled in Westeros with politics and dynastic reasons being the only considerations; Robb and the marriage proposal to the Freys, Roose Bolton and his marriage to Walda, Edmure and his bride, Marcella and Tristane, and every one of Sansa's marriages. Most of these marriage proposals were done without bride and groom being on speaking terms, or at times even seeing each other prior to the proposal.
So it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that a Queen looking for a suitor, that is now warming up to a mysterious Northern King, might be suggesting a marriage pact to iron out the politics of them rendering each other aid. Dany has to also think about a post WW world if they survive. Committing her dragons and her forces to fight in war that might result in her taking heavy losses, without any guarantee of support afterwards for her own cause, is politically stupid. Either Jon bends the knee and accepts her as his queen like she wanted in episode three, and now he is honour bound to fight for his queen. Or Jon marries her, and his issues become hers, and her issues become his. The latter is a brilliant way to get the North to accept her, and for Jon to commit to the Iron Throne at the same time.
Jon even gets a really weird look on his face when Dany gives him the, "isn't their survival more important than your pride" line. Watching that scene a few times, I had thought that look might be because he's realising she used his own logic on him. But before that she says, "they would if their King does." Their King does what? Bend the knee to her in a subservient role? Don't think she means that because you're back to the North being pissed. Their King marrying the "Southern ruler" and unifying their crowns? That seems more palpable right?
Bend the knee in the cave = Propose already will ya!
"I will fight for you, I will fight for the North."
That sounds more personal than someone agreeing to send troops to fight alongside an alley. Think of it as a Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand II like situation. The coming together of the crowns of Castile and Aragon essentially starts the unification of Spain, and together they finish the process of Reconquista.
Dany left Mereen with a purpose of taking the Iron Throne. But she also left Mereen with the explicit idea that she had to make herself available for marriage in order to cement alliances. Dany is a Queen, Jon is a King; neither will accept to fully move to one person's side or the other without overtures. But marriage changes that. It won't be two separate crowns, with two competing groups of people to appease. It would instead be a single crown that represents both groups.
Now I personally think this episode shows that both Jon and Dany are warming up to each other (and the producers essentially state the same thing). But marriages have been arranged and fulfilled in Westeros with politics and dynastic reasons being the only considerations; Robb and the marriage proposal to the Freys, Roose Bolton and his marriage to Walda, Edmure and his bride, Marcella and Tristane, and every one of Sansa's marriages. Most of these marriage proposals were done without bride and groom being on speaking terms, or at times even seeing each other prior to the proposal.
So it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that a Queen looking for a suitor, that is now warming up to a mysterious Northern King, might be suggesting a marriage pact to iron out the politics of them rendering each other aid. Dany has to also think about a post WW world if they survive. Committing her dragons and her forces to fight in war that might result in her taking heavy losses, without any guarantee of support afterwards for her own cause, is politically stupid. Either Jon bends the knee and accepts her as his queen like she wanted in episode three, and now he is honour bound to fight for his queen. Or Jon marries her, and his issues become hers, and her issues become his. The latter is a brilliant way to get the North to accept her, and for Jon to commit to the Iron Throne at the same time.
Jon even gets a really weird look on his face when Dany gives him the, "isn't their survival more important than your pride" line. Watching that scene a few times, I had thought that look might be because he's realising she used his own logic on him. But before that she says, "they would if their King does." Their King does what? Bend the knee to her in a subservient role? Don't think she means that because you're back to the North being pissed. Their King marrying the "Southern ruler" and unifying their crowns? That seems more palpable right?
Bend the knee in the cave = Propose already will ya!
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
We've seen it on the show before how shield wall fares against the cavalry
Not really a shield wall if you're facing the wrong way to a cleverly charge.
I don't think that's what she was trying to say, but it is an elegant solution to their problem. If she marries Jon then the north might be more apt to go along with it instead of him bending the knee.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Agree completely.
Dany knows the value of a marriage alliance, she'd wait to play that card until she absolutely needed to. I do think she is warming to Jon, and is starting to become a bit intrigued by him, but I don't think she sees him as a valuable enough ally to marry quite yet.
I'm sure when Dany has marriage on her mind, she'll try something a bit more persuasive than the "bend the knee" and dragon dive-bomb intimidation stuff she's doing now.
chicko1983
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Definitely thats how I interpreted that scene in the cave.
And if you rewatch, they walk out of the cave like they are holding hands. I thought they were and were going to announce that they would be getting married when they see missandi and davos and tyrion.
Seductivpancakes
Member
Lol like yea. They got charged in the rear.
soundscream
Member
Ghost looks weird here.
Its a unfinished vfx shot.
I know, it was a goof.
You're assuming she ordered that. Notice that the dive bombing came right after Jon said he wasn't a Stark. That's some epic Ollie saying that he's the best archer in his village type foreshadowing.
Its been so long I forgot. But does she still have bloodriders? Or did they all die and these are just khals who hang around her all day?
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
I don't think I have seen Ghost in season 7 yet.
I doubt we will see him until season 8 since it sorta feels like Jon will be there for the rest of the season.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Yeah, Ghost might as well be dead.
However, we could get into a situation where a Stark kid is in danger and he shows up, but I am not even sure if he's at the Wall or in Winterfell.
ShadowSwordmaster
Banned
He should be in Winterfell.
CaviarMeths
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The Stark kids are all gonna gather around and take turns shanking Littlefinger repeatedly. Best 5 minutes of TV in history.
Et tu, Sansa? Then fall Petyr!
Crossing Eden
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Man the dragons really ate up the vfx budget....
Man the dragons really ate up the vfx budget....
Did it air like this?
Sadly the wolf actor that played Ghost died between scenes so they had to use his stuffed body.
Crossing Eden
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Lol no it's a deleted scene.
-ImaginaryInsider
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The investigation is ongoing, dire-wolves are endangered after all.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Well it's not like the timing could be worse or that there's a candidate who is even suitably close to her level and/or brings as much to the table as Jon does.
Jon's got the undivided loyalty of an entire kingdom (a kingdom she would assuredly need to go to war with to reclaim) plus the ancillary support of an entirely different kingdom (the Vale), an already mobilized military, she probably doesn't want to go that far north with her armies and he's conveniently unmarried. Besides, almost all of the other kingdoms are completely decimated - as far as we know, pretty much everyone of the Great Houses ruling over the individual kingdoms is either dead, deeply contested or unavailable if you even count Edmure Tully at this point.
I mean, the only realistic candidates on her political level are Euron (lol), Jaime (lolol) and Jon. The fact she probably wants Jon anyways is probably just a nice bonus but I'm sure they're going to focus on that instead of whether it happens to be politically convenient or not.
The problem with the direwolves is that they get cut a lot for budget reasons because D&D don't think the CGI effect for the direwolves looks very good next to people, which is true because doesn't. The scene with Arya and Nymeria just looked bad and you could easily tell when they transitioned to close-ups of the real dog they were using vs. a giant CGI version in the longer shots with Arya. The dragons are different because they're obviously fantasy creatures that don't exist in real life, so it's not as obvious compared to basically an enormous CGI wolfdog since those are real animals we saw in earlier seasons.
They could have fixed this by just never establishing that direwolves are super ultra large like Nymeria and just making them the size of regular wolf-dog hybrids the entire time so they would only have to use a practical effect of having a trained animal in all scenes requiring the direwolves. But its too late for that.
Moff
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SlipperyFishes
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Here's a what if. What if Dany and Sansa became a power couple at the end of it all. Both suffered through a rape at he hands of heir first and second husbands respectively (it can be argued Tyrion was never her husband in anything but name) and the show has never shied away from same sex relationships for Dany after that fact.
I could see Sansa being attracted to her as a woman as well as her brand of power.
That would bring Dany to the Iron Throne, unite the north and leave the King in the North as its warden.
I could see Sansa being attracted to her as a woman as well as her brand of power.
That would bring Dany to the Iron Throne, unite the north and leave the King in the North as its warden.
-ImaginaryInsider
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I don't disagree there isn't really a better candidate, but Dany is playing the long game and she just landed in Westeros, if she can get him to submit without a marriage alliance, it's potentially better for her to keep her options open.
Jon really isn't wrong in thinking the North won't accept her in a standard "bend the knee" situation, they have experienced way too much turmoil for that. The only real compromise the show is quietly presenting to us is a mutually beneficial marriage alliance type situation.
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