BoTW had the best open world I've ever played tho
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Edge Magazine: The 100 Greatest Videogames 2017 Edition
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BoTW had the best open world I've ever played tho
Dark_castle
Junior Member
Edge doesn't like JRPG, that's the conclusion.
I don't think so. Half of the top 10 are games within the last 10 yrs. Half of them are decent, but not gamebreaking or masterpieces within their own generation(maybe Dark Soul is the only one there that can be considered a masterpiece). I have no clue how HL2 and RE4 are up there when we are going by Edge's rules. I won't talk about BOTW being over-rated because like Justin, some fans will always love the game no matter what.
WoW has a decade of gameplay.
Even if we are going to discount its mainstream appeal and historical significance to the gaming industry, WoW would be a top 100 game.
WoW Vanilla would have made that list or even BC or even WotLK.
They put SC2 in for goodness sake...RTS in this time and era? Over WoW? Only the hardcore PC gamers still play RTS, and I am one of them, but I wouldn't touch SC2 in 2017.
Also, SC-BW still looks good and plays well, so I have no clue what Edge is smoking to put SC2 on this list while they pretend to ignore their rules.
Just so we know that you're a credible time traveler, can you name a few past instances where you've been completely out of touch with the critical/popular consensus, and, later, been proven right?
Photos of you riding on the shoulders of a crowd are encouraged.
Dark Ninja
Member
When I see F-Zero GX appear on these lists randomly after many years of not being on them I just shake my head. Where were ya'll when the game came out and needed sales.
BOTW will deserve every award its gonna get. Nintendo was smart to release the story DLC during holidays/end of the year to remind people how great it is.
BOTW will deserve every award its gonna get. Nintendo was smart to release the story DLC during holidays/end of the year to remind people how great it is.
Yeah, I have never really understood the anger over it. Good lord, lol.
People really enjoyed BotW and it's deserving of that #1 spot IMO.
I don't really get why Nier Automata is missing from that list, but regardless still a good list overall.
Also glad to see Dota 2 on the list.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
How can you test if Splatoon 1 holds up if its a multiplayer game nobody plays anymore?
100. Super Hexagon Super disappoint
99. Her Story
98. Super Monkey Ball
97. Final Fantasy XII No, FFVII or FFVI
96. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time They wrote too much, it was just Prince of Persia they needed to say
95. Hyper Light Drifter Little nice indie, I backed it! But top 100? Come on...
94. Katamari Damacy
93. Animal Crossing: New Leaf
92. Resogun
91. Puzzle Bobble
90. F-Zero GX
89. The Sims 3
88. R-Type Final
87. Elite: Dangerous
86. Bomberman
85. StarCraft II
84. Pac-Man: Championship Edition
83. BioShock
82. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
81. Puzzle & Dragons
80. Tearaway
79. League of Legends
78. Super Meat Boy
77. Xenoblade Chronicles
76. OutRun 2006: Coast to Coast
75. Counter-Strike: Global Offensive
74. Civilization IV Civ 2 remain the best to me!
73. Battlefield 4 Really?
72. Metroid Prime
71. Hearthstone
70. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
69. Limbo Nice little game, nothing to be remembered forever
68. Towerfall Ascension
67. EarthBound
66. Batman: Arkham Knight argh... the worst of the Batman games? Well maybe not the worst, but not the best for sure
65. Transistor I don't understand why is so much overrated
64. Puyo Puyo
63. FTL: Advanced Edition
62: Persona 4 Golden
61. Mass Effect 2
60. Okami
59. The Stanley Parable
58. XCOM: Enemy Unknown
57. Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate
56. The Witcher III: Wild Hunt
55. Far Cry 4 How do I comment this?!?
54. Titanfall 2 It's a nice game but, on the first 100?
53. Doom (2016)
52. Trials Fusion It's a nice game but, on the first 100?
51. Nidhogg
50. Fez
49. Overwatch Why not Quake 3?
48. Super Mario 3D World
47. Journey
46. Dead Space
45. Dota 2
44. Vanquish
43. Super Mario Maker
42. Fire Emblem Fates
41. Inside really? why? :\
40. Shadow of the Colossus
39. Halo 3
38. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
37. Spelunky
36. Destiny Grinding at his best...
35. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
34. Kerbal Space Program
33. Dishonored
32. Splatoon
31. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
30. Rock Band 3
29. The Last Guardian as for Demon souls, this or ICO, both make no sense
28. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim I love Skyrim but... hell no...
27. Ico TLG has something more, but ok with this too
26. Super Metroid
25. Demon's Souls For how much I love this game Dark Souls is enough to have it here, it's better in every aspect
24. Horizon: Zero Dawn
23. Advance Wars
22. The Witness
21. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
20. Ultra Street Fighter IV
19. Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain No no no... MGS1 is the real deal, or 3.
18. Rez Infinite
17. Uncharted 4: A Thief's End
16. Super Mario World
15. Red Dead Redemption
14. Super Mario 64
13. Portal
12. Bayonetta 2 first was better
11. Minecraft
10. Resident Evil 4 Overrated, RE2 or RE deserve more to be here
9. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
8. Super Mario Galaxy 2
7. Tetris
6. Half-Life 2
5. Bloodborne
4. The Last of Us
3. Grand Theft Auto V
2. Dark Souls
1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
I didn't played BoW, so I won't complain about being first, anyway the top ten is always something difficult to put down... but I will just say something about these on the quote
But overall too many Zelda games. And is probably the only N franchise I love and always play with joy, but these are too similar to include so many of them in a top 100... as if there were no game to include
I don't see any fighting game... no Street Fighter, no Virtua Fighter... or no Bubble Bobble, and so many games that deserve more to be remembered than reading 5 time the Zelda games on the list... :\
Aangster
Member
Astounding to see Arkham Knight instead of either Asylum or City, and even Origins. Paul Dini's work, although certainly far from perfect in weaving gameplay and narrative, was leagues above the tripe delivered in Knight. Not to mention Rocksteady's assumption that repetitive 'tank' battles were good gameplay substitutes for the boss encounters in City and Origins. To top it off, the side quest plot threads started in City were resolved poorly.
Alright dude if you're just going to state that TLOU, Bloodborne, BotW etc are not great games like it's some kind of fact that only you have discovered and no one else is smart enough to have caught onto yet, without genuinely engaging in the conversation, I'm moving on.
I was there brother
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Dark Ninja
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#20
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
I said the same about Twilight Princess. The pacing, aesthetics, attempt to replicate Ocarina of Time, and motion controls were all deeply flawed designs of the game that were largely ignored at the time (bar a select few media outlets). Ten years later Twilight Princess is more often than not ignored in top lists. Is it a good game, sure, but absoltely did not deserve the critical reception it received at the time.
I felt similarly towards Grand Theft Auto IV at launch at the time but I wasn't as vocal as I was more of a casual fan of the series and didn't feel I completely understood the genre and fan base.
I get your post is heavily loaded with sarcasm, but often times fans don't have the ability to step away from a title and constructively analyze what's actually wrong with a game and how that can impact its lasting appeal and legacy. To me games shouldn't even be eligible for these types of lists if they've been released in the past 2-3 years as they still carry massive amounts of confirmation bias and release hype.
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
That's just your opinion. There are people considere Horizon has the best open world but to me its one of the worst open world out there.
I am pretty confident BOTW will stand the test of time simply due to the fact that this game has reinvigorated the stagnant and increasingly irrelevant Zelda series.Your opinion on dungeons, story, rewards, progression/pacing and difficult are all your opinions and I can't argue against preferences. But it should be noted that all of the things you dislike have been praised by critics and fans for the innovative approaches those elements took.
Those are good examples, and I appreciate the honest answer to a rather snarky question.
I would, however, submit that both of those games began showing cracks in consensus almost immediately.
TheBaldEmperor
Member
Did I read that correctly? Super Mario 3D World made this list...
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Yeah they quite famously do.
They are great game, with the exception of GTA5. But they aren't masterpieces or can define a generation.
I already said DS is like the only masterpiece on that list since without it, no one would be saying the Dark Soul of XXYY.
And we are also going by Edge's rules. HL2 and RE4 shouldn't be on this list that high. They don't stand up in today environment with tight control and good graphic.
Why do they keep on breaking their rules? That is the only thing that I have found consistency within this list, just making up rules and putting in games that aren't up to today's standards and listing multiple games from the same IP.
unknownstranger
Member
I don't understand how you can put ICO ahead of Shadow of the Colossus. ICO has not aged well at all, including in the PS3 remaster. Shadow of the Colossus at its spot is whatever (personally my favorite game of all time but I know it's not for everyone) but having it below ICO is crazy.
Every game ever has flaws and we still love them and will continue to. Also it's easily among the best open world games I've played, MGSV is the only competitor I can think of.
Animal Crossing is not that relevant since each entry is basically the same thing with new improvements. Each Zelda game takes place in a completely different world and they usually have completely different hooks. You can judge each of them without the context of their predecessors.
Because it's their list and they can do what they feel like?
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Bleed 2 might be a top 100 game actually. That game is real solid.
Toadthemushroom
Member
It's worth mentioning that if this is like the last times Edge did a compilation book like this for the 100 greatest games, only one game per "series" is allowed in. Which is why you see FFXII alone.
"Series" being loosely defined - for example Mario World made it in in 2007 over Mario Bros or Mario Bros 3, but Yoshi's Island also made it in due to it being different enough despite technically being a 2D Mario game.
But F Zero GX was in the last list from 2015, and the list from 2007.
"Series" being loosely defined - for example Mario World made it in in 2007 over Mario Bros or Mario Bros 3, but Yoshi's Island also made it in due to it being different enough despite technically being a 2D Mario game.
But F Zero GX was in the last list from 2015, and the list from 2007.
phantasmic_glaive
Member
Limbo better than Metroid Prime?
Bwhahahaha.. list made with RNG confirmed
Bwhahahaha.. list made with RNG confirmed
Didn't know there was a sequel, I gotta check out. Bleed was really cool.
* Edge writers enjoy Limbo more than Metroid Prime
And yes I think they're insane for this but hey that's the cool thing about humans
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
I hate this list.
Also pretty much every single pick of a title in a series franchise is wrong. Latest worst sequel or first game ignoring what came after that was improved upon by a lot.
Sure.
That is fine.
But they need a disclaimer stating that they are liars and pretending that their rules don't apply to them.
I have no clue why they even put such a weird list of conditions and rules but toss them away so quickly.
I guess rating 100 IPs is too hard for them.
Dark Cloud
Member
Idk about limbo, but I would have Metroid Prime as top 20.
I'd be much more interested in seeing individual top 100s, 50s or 25s from each of Edge's staffers than a single mixed-perspective top 100. I will say that putting something as new as Breath of the Wild at number 1 is a pretty bold look, even if I personally also see the game hanging with the best. It's just hard to make anything of a list where compromises were made and multiple opinions mixed. Give me your bio, your preferences, and your perspective, then let me see a single list representing only your opinion- that's way more valuable to look at and examine.
eXistor
Member
I could say this about any list of course, but...huh. Some very strange omissions for sure. No Castlevania other than SotN? The one game per series rule doesn't apply to that seeing as SotN is a completely different game from something like Super Castlevania IV or Rondo of Blood. No Contra at all? No love for shoot 'em ups or Beat 'em ups? Strange omissions indeed. For an outlet as professional as Edge I'd expect a wider variety of games.
Dr. Feel Good
Banned
Maybe Pokemon is a better example. They are unique titles with their own stories, features, monsters and gameplay designs yet often times make old games archaic by addressing major gameplay complaints such as battle speed, post game activities, easier access to competitive gaming, more elaborate storylines, etc.
My point was more that the next Zelda game will likely be very similar to BotW in scope but create a unique world that has more fleshed out characters, real dungeon designs, a more fine tuned weapon system, etc. and addresses the very obvious issues that BotW has. When that happens where does that leave BotW in relative terms to the series? It's a primiative version of the open world Zelda model and not even comparable to the old Zelda type game. It's just kind of.... there, and in hindsight will come off as a game that wasn't exactly the end all be all we all thought it was.
I can agree with this, played the HD remasters on PS3 and even though I liked ICO during the PS2 era more it hasn't aged well at all and SOTC is much superior today. They said that this list don't factor nostalgia but it seems like they haven't played ICO recently. It's a great game don't get me wrong, but playing it today doesn't feel so unique and special as it was while SOTC is still a unique game today like no other.
Dark Cloud
Member
I think more complaints should be made for what's missing than the order. I mean no Chrono Trigger and other Final Fantasy games...
Zelda II was the follow up to Zelda I and it's not considered better than the original than most. Majora's Mask is the follow up to the first 3D Zelda game (Oot) and it's not considered better by most nor did it make Oot primative or just....there.
You make no point at all.
Zelda II was the follow up to Zelda I and it's not considered better than the original than most. Majora's Mask is the follow up to the first 3D Zelda game (Oot) and it's not considered better by most nor did it make Oot primative or just....there.
You make no point at all.
Come on what?
It is within the first paragraph that states their conditions and rule sets.
At least stand up for what they wrote.
Indeed. You shouldn't take this list too seriously as it's most likely a jointly created effort by a bunch of people who had their own favourite games. You should listen to the last PC Gamer UK podcast where they run down their top 100 list they created along side the US side of their publication. Just about every game between 100 - 59 was them saying either "I don't care for this game" or even "I've never heard of this one".
If you've played 100 games you can create your own list and it would be just as credible.
SolidChamp
Banned
BOTW at #1, huh?
That's some fucking hyperbole-flavored Kool-aid drinking if I ever saw it.
That's some fucking hyperbole-flavored Kool-aid drinking if I ever saw it.
GarciaHotspur
Member
I hope, one day, this undeserved BOTW hype will ends.
There are many people that view the gameplay as an accessory to the narrative and atmosphere in those games, and, viewed as such, prefer Ico for its more compact and arguably greater emotional strength.
I personally think SotC is a much better game to actually play, and value it much higher, but the line of reasoning above is usually what I see when fans of the series place Ico higher.
I think that will leave BotW as its own unique game that people continue to appreciate for its own unique qualities.
I would love to see those additions you mentioned in future games, but additions aren't by necessity improvements. BotW has its own heart, and if you make a game similar to it that is more packed with content that will result in a game with a different heart. Sometimes the simpler one is better, sometimes not, but I don't think you can say that because a game has a small feature list it is doomed to obscurity. For example there's almost nothing to do in SotC and it's one of the most beloved games ever - if you stuffed it with side quests it probably would have been a worse game.
I like how they clarified that this list was done through a modern lens rather than treating the games by the benchmark set, eve stating that some titles were dragged out for replays.
Take Half Life 2 for example. I arrived to this game late and by that point it was a serious trudge to play. Did it lay down some frameworks? Perhaps. It's certainly been passed by now, by some of Valve's subsequent titles even.
Same with Chrono Trigger. I've not played this but I did step back to play benchmark FFVI for the first time ever and... well, I feel it certainly fits into the "you had to be there" category for me. Both games might sit so well in consciousness but to go in fresh nowadays, up against everything that has been since? Perhaps not 100 list worthy. (Replace that with all time fave of mine FFVII if you wish. I love that game but it sure as hell doesn't look good through the lens of someone coming to the game now.)
Maybe a splinter list of Top 100 Most Important Games would serve fond memories better.
Take Half Life 2 for example. I arrived to this game late and by that point it was a serious trudge to play. Did it lay down some frameworks? Perhaps. It's certainly been passed by now, by some of Valve's subsequent titles even.
Same with Chrono Trigger. I've not played this but I did step back to play benchmark FFVI for the first time ever and... well, I feel it certainly fits into the "you had to be there" category for me. Both games might sit so well in consciousness but to go in fresh nowadays, up against everything that has been since? Perhaps not 100 list worthy. (Replace that with all time fave of mine FFVII if you wish. I love that game but it sure as hell doesn't look good through the lens of someone coming to the game now.)
Maybe a splinter list of Top 100 Most Important Games would serve fond memories better.
TrueDefault
Member
Some really questionable choices here.