Absolutely not. Skyrim has many flaws but the best parts of skyrim outshines the best parts of Horizon. Except graphics maybe.
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Edge Magazine: The 100 Greatest Videogames 2017 Edition
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Absolutely not. Skyrim has many flaws but the best parts of skyrim outshines the best parts of Horizon. Except graphics maybe.
ThisIsMyDogKyle
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I mean... most people that have played them love Nintendo and Sony first party games so not exactly that out of the ordinary.
maybe?!?! Horizon's graphics beat the ever living shit out of Skyrim's mate.
FallenGrace
Member
Maybe? :/
Too heavily skewed toward Sony and Nintendo. It's like Dreamcast and OG Xbox never happened.
Tricky I Shadow
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I don't even like Horizon that much, but Skyrim is a terrible game. The gameplay is straight up garbage.
Please show us all those modern RPGs that are better than FFIX. You must be living in an alternative universe where better RPGs than FFIX come in strides.
facetheslayer92
Member
Nice to see RE 4 in the top 10. That game is always stupid fun to run through.
Nocturnowl
Member
I wasn't really gonna comment much on a list like this because, well it is what it is and no one will agree with everything.
But jump n' run platformers in general are really shafted in favour of more Mario here.
They've got a few like Meat Boy (not my scene but fair enough), play dead's cinematic platforming duo and I guess Tearaway? Sonic's rough years have done such a number that not even his great outings can crack a list like this.
Yeah, it's too low.
Couldn't disagree more personally. Didn't care for Skyrim's story and the combat was bad. Side quests were the only good thing about it imo.
Horizon on the other hand had a great combat, enemy designs(both look and fighting design), good story.
Tarextherex
Banned
While comparing games that are decades older is tricky, a top 100 list should at least provide you with basically every game from every era that is considered on top of their genre
This list isn't the case though, a very arbitrary mix of games, the order even more so. You basically have a bunch of very recent games that ain't shit(GTAV, TLOU, Mario 3D World, probably more that I haven't played), a couple of classics and overrating the hell out of Souls and Ueda's games so GAF doesn't get too mad. That leads to pretty baffling omissions/orders when you actually played some of these games and realize that a lot of consensus opinions in forums are very gross generalisations. For example:
Metroid Prime is at 72. SOTN, while a good game, is higher, when this game has pretty mediocre level design, something that is pretty important in those kinds of adventure games. Meanwhile Prime is basically timeless and does it well in 3D, something that Castlevania never did
Apparently EDGE hates JRPGs or something but they include Xenoblade for good measure. Good game but no way this very repetitive game with broken combat is better than the classics. Actually compare Earthbound with FFVI/Chrono Trigger/SMRPG, you would think Nintendo are the kings of gameplay and would outdo Square on that aspect but nope. Battle system was serviceable at best, same thing with the progression system. The setting and dialogues were cool but other games did a much better job of integrating the narrative into the game. For all the witty dialogue it has game only has two major sidequests really, the chapter structure is too rigid. It leaves you wanting more, having a world that is fleshed out is very important in a RPG
Demon's Souls is at freaking 25, over games that don't have trash level design(Valley of Defilement is worse than anything in the Souls series) or baffling decisions like world tendency(this is worse than stupid stuff like coloured bananas in DK64)
F-Zero is much lower than Mario Kart, because games are the best they have ever been right. Even the updated battle mode in deluxe ain't shit. Despite it's limited modes F-Zero is simply a much more rewarding game to play, compare every Mario Kart with every F-Zero, one of them clearly feels better than the other.Hell you represent a bunch of Nintendo multiplayer titles but no Smash Bros. The only fighting game rep is USF "I think we got it right this time" IV.
Way too many one trick ponies in this list, like you got freaking Limbo and just about every little PSN game that "I preordered my PS4 after E3" people were stuck playing over a bunch of major series. When about half those games were made after 2013, the list doesn't read like they are essentials so you have decent grasp on the various genres of videogames, you only got what people have been talking about for the last few years + a few token classics
This list isn't the case though, a very arbitrary mix of games, the order even more so. You basically have a bunch of very recent games that ain't shit(GTAV, TLOU, Mario 3D World, probably more that I haven't played), a couple of classics and overrating the hell out of Souls and Ueda's games so GAF doesn't get too mad. That leads to pretty baffling omissions/orders when you actually played some of these games and realize that a lot of consensus opinions in forums are very gross generalisations. For example:
Metroid Prime is at 72. SOTN, while a good game, is higher, when this game has pretty mediocre level design, something that is pretty important in those kinds of adventure games. Meanwhile Prime is basically timeless and does it well in 3D, something that Castlevania never did
Apparently EDGE hates JRPGs or something but they include Xenoblade for good measure. Good game but no way this very repetitive game with broken combat is better than the classics. Actually compare Earthbound with FFVI/Chrono Trigger/SMRPG, you would think Nintendo are the kings of gameplay and would outdo Square on that aspect but nope. Battle system was serviceable at best, same thing with the progression system. The setting and dialogues were cool but other games did a much better job of integrating the narrative into the game. For all the witty dialogue it has game only has two major sidequests really, the chapter structure is too rigid. It leaves you wanting more, having a world that is fleshed out is very important in a RPG
Demon's Souls is at freaking 25, over games that don't have trash level design(Valley of Defilement is worse than anything in the Souls series) or baffling decisions like world tendency(this is worse than stupid stuff like coloured bananas in DK64)
F-Zero is much lower than Mario Kart, because games are the best they have ever been right. Even the updated battle mode in deluxe ain't shit. Despite it's limited modes F-Zero is simply a much more rewarding game to play, compare every Mario Kart with every F-Zero, one of them clearly feels better than the other.Hell you represent a bunch of Nintendo multiplayer titles but no Smash Bros. The only fighting game rep is USF "I think we got it right this time" IV.
Way too many one trick ponies in this list, like you got freaking Limbo and just about every little PSN game that "I preordered my PS4 after E3" people were stuck playing over a bunch of major series. When about half those games were made after 2013, the list doesn't read like they are essentials so you have decent grasp on the various genres of videogames, you only got what people have been talking about for the last few years + a few token classics
I'm happy they include many recent games! It's bullshit that a new masterpiece has to age to see if it passes the test of time. If it's great, then you'll know.
Lists like this of course always have entries and an order that's wrong for anyone except the person(s) who made it, but I think they've done a pretty good job. That said, no Donkey Kong or Rayman or Smash Bros is disappointing.
Earthbound seems a bit low to me and Mother 3 not even making it on the list is a shock, as is the omission of Chrono Trigger.
My personal list would have also have Ghost Trick and Zelda Twilight Princess pretty high up, but I can understand them not picking those.
Lists like this of course always have entries and an order that's wrong for anyone except the person(s) who made it, but I think they've done a pretty good job. That said, no Donkey Kong or Rayman or Smash Bros is disappointing.
Earthbound seems a bit low to me and Mother 3 not even making it on the list is a shock, as is the omission of Chrono Trigger.
My personal list would have also have Ghost Trick and Zelda Twilight Princess pretty high up, but I can understand them not picking those.
Yes, I think that would've made more sense as well.
No it isn't and no it doesn't.
Gotdatmoney
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It'a not a list of RPGs. It's a list of the best games ever. So even if I didn't think many RPGs in this era were better free pf nostalgia, I wouldn't need to even list them to make my point.
Yes and no. Opinions change and/or refine. For me personally, I don't feel safe correctly ranking anything (just for me) - be it music, games, anything - until I sit with it for a while, revisit it, revisit other things I'm comparing it to, etc. Just me. Plenty of times I've experienced something and it was great at first, but on revisit naaaah.
badcrumble
Member
Interesting that they finally omitted Drop7 from the list. It's sad that such a brilliantly perfect mobile game got basically turned into abandonware because it's impossible to monetize through IAP.
RespectThySole
Member
Seriously and especially when you consider that they're leaving off games like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy Tatics, New Vegas, BG2, Planescape, VtmB or even more recent games like Divinity: Original Sin and Dragon's Dogma.
Horizon shouldn't make a top 30 RPGs list much less make the top 30 of a list including every genre. It's placement is absolutely preposterous.
MrJoobJoob
Member
Great list despite some recency bias.
Oh also objectively speaking, MGSV doesn't belong anywhere on this list.
Oh also objectively speaking, MGSV doesn't belong anywhere on this list.
So does Pokemon. List is really random. But Bloodborne is that good for sure.
Nocturno999
Member
I don't like to complain about lists but this one is really bad.
People need to let go Ocarina of time. As influential as it was it's not that great of a game by today's standards.
People need to let go Ocarina of time. As influential as it was it's not that great of a game by today's standards.
ronaldthump
Member
solid list.
The list is games as they are when played in 2017. Very little on those two platforms stands up to scrutiny these days.
Smutpeddler
Member
Actually the direct opposite of happy. These games don't deserve top 100 status, much less top 5.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
I've finished all top 21, FeelsGood
Destiny LUL better than Majoras mask confirmed hahah
Destiny LUL better than Majoras mask confirmed hahah
I can completely understand that, and to a certain point I can relate with it, but for me a couple of months is more then enough to let the initial hype go and - like you say - compare with other games and then revisit. Waiting years to rank a game in a 'best games ever' list seems unnecessarily careful to me.
Bruce Springsteen
Member
Horizon at 24? Damn, need to start playing that ASAP now
BibiMaghoo
Member
The further down that list I got, the more wtf it became, capping it off nicely with a game that has been out less than a year. No recent game should ever be in a list like this, because how a game is ultimately viewed settles over time, it being considered better the more recent to memory they are, as a person obviously remembers more good things about it. This also works backwards to a point, in that games that are ancient and listed from old memory alone are based only on the remembered highs, the lows being forgotten.
If I was king of internet list rules, I would decree that no game can be listed at less than a year of age, or unplayed by the list creator for more than 10 years. Someone get me a clay tablet or some shit.
If I was king of internet list rules, I would decree that no game can be listed at less than a year of age, or unplayed by the list creator for more than 10 years. Someone get me a clay tablet or some shit.
Ocarina of time needs to work its way out of the top 50. Don't hate me. Put the new Zelda up there. But you simply can't have games that really don't hold up anymore in the top ten. I think the SNES version holds up better even over the 3DS version. I just can't get over those whack graphics from the N64. Nevermind the weird camera and controls and pretty much everything.
You can make an argument for anything holding up, but objectively the mechanics, graphics, sound, are all dated beyond belief. I'm just glad it still is not sitting at number one FFS.
It still deserves a place for the 3DS version, but to hell with that N64 thing lol.
That being said, dear lord Mario 64 and Ocarina/Mask are calling out for complete remakes. You sometimes really wish Nintendo developed more games and at a faster pace.
CT is fairly dated IMO, but it can still have a place in the later half. FWIW I will take Chrono Trigger in xBRZ emulation over Ocarina of Time N64 with a texture pack any day of the week.
What CT really needs is a new translation.
Honestly, what the fuck is Bloodborne doing so high up there. It does not deserve that in any way possible. Huge Souls fan but top 10 game of all time my fucking ass LOL. The game has one of the shittiest stories I've ever seen. It's basically Dark Souls gothic edition with a completely incompetent and incoherent story. It has ZERO innovation, and brings absolutely nothing new to the table. Fucking Demon's Souls should be that game if anything.
You can make an argument for anything holding up, but objectively the mechanics, graphics, sound, are all dated beyond belief. I'm just glad it still is not sitting at number one FFS.
It still deserves a place for the 3DS version, but to hell with that N64 thing lol.
That being said, dear lord Mario 64 and Ocarina/Mask are calling out for complete remakes. You sometimes really wish Nintendo developed more games and at a faster pace.
CT is fairly dated IMO, but it can still have a place in the later half. FWIW I will take Chrono Trigger in xBRZ emulation over Ocarina of Time N64 with a texture pack any day of the week.
What CT really needs is a new translation.
Honestly, what the fuck is Bloodborne doing so high up there. It does not deserve that in any way possible. Huge Souls fan but top 10 game of all time my fucking ass LOL. The game has one of the shittiest stories I've ever seen. It's basically Dark Souls gothic edition with a completely incompetent and incoherent story. It has ZERO innovation, and brings absolutely nothing new to the table. Fucking Demon's Souls should be that game if anything.
Bloodborne does not deserve to be ranked higher than Witcher 3 in any real world.
It has good combat. And that is the only thing it will ever do better than Witcher 3.
A lot of smart choices mixed in and placed randomly around a bunch of trend choices. 5 years from now at least 20-30 of these games will have fallen off, and not necessarily because they've been replaced by newer titles.
I do really like the choice of USF4 as the definitive fighting game. A great balance of content, depth and accessibility and probably the most significant 2D fighter in the last 20 years. I think as time goes on more people will agree it's the best SF.
I do really like the choice of USF4 as the definitive fighting game. A great balance of content, depth and accessibility and probably the most significant 2D fighter in the last 20 years. I think as time goes on more people will agree it's the best SF.
Andrew Evenstar
Member
Not one Final Fantasy game in the top 25 is a joke yo
RoninChaos
Member
BREATH OF THE WILD?! Destiny beat out Witcher 3? lol omfg.
No Pokemon game in the top 100 is an even bigger joke. List is ridiculous.
To be fair most of them on the PS1 or even PS2 are dated as all hell.
But no FF6 or something of that nature, or really what the fuck at their 2D RPG choices. Yo, I like Earthbound but get it the fuck off this list.
Chrono Trigger, Lunar, FF6, and Suikoden II are all MUCH more deserving choices.
I do like the list, I'm just saying some of these selections are the yawners I expected. The games nobody will play again for years are still ranked super high because they innovated 20 or 30 years ago lol.
And this list is PURE SHIT for shmups. Like seriously, you couldn't even put any of these games on there: Raiden IV, Ikaruga, Thunderforce IV, DoDonPachi, MUSHA, Silvergun?
I mean, what the fuck Fez, Splatoon, Nidhogg, Hearthstone, Destiny? over these shooters hell no, and I'm not even some kind of huge shmup fan.
List is good but need more thought. Way too trendy. I get a lot of people like Bloodborne, and I'm a big Sony fanboy, but the game did NOTHING NEW. It was a retread on the true innovators which are not dated at all atm.
Yer literally gonna hate every single list ever made from now on until the end of time. You better get used to it.
OrbitalBeard
Member
The honeymoon phase will end any day now!
dancingphlower
Member
It's actually not a bad list. Too often I feel that these kinds of lists bias towards older games but there's quite a bit of recent stuff on there which is cool to see, considering gaming is an iterative medium and things get to better over time. Would like to have seen DMC3 on there, obviously, but six of my top ten are on there (switch P4G with P5 and it's seven) so I can't complain too much.