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Amazon CEO demands a 'Game of Thrones' style hit

One of Daniel Abraham's two fantasy series would work.

Syfy snatching up The Magicians was the smartest post-GOT move by any network. Getting the guy responsible for writing The Expanse from under Syfy would be a shrewd move.
 
If he wants epic stuff like Game of Thrones, pony up the money, somehow convince Christopher Tolkien to let there be a Silmarillion TV series on Amazon.

If done right, this could be as big as Game of Thrones.

Oh, how I'd love to see an episode dedicated to Fingolfin taking on Morgohth or Ancalagon wreaking havoc on middle earth!!!

It doesn't get more epic than the Silmarilion.
 

Laz-E-Boy

Member
If that One Piece adaptation actually goes into production, that'll probably become TV's metric for how successful that may or may not be.

One Piece is my wildcard anime/manga choice.

Will most likely be awful adapted into live action, but if done right could be MASSIVE.
 

avaya

Member
An AWS esque strategy is in the works for Studios.

There will be oceans of money being thrown at potential projects.
 
If he wants epic stuff like Game of Thrones, pony up the money, somehow convince Christopher Tolkien to let there be a Silmarillion TV series on Amazon.

If done right, this could be as big as Game of Thrones.

Oh, how I'd love to see an episode dedicated to Fingolfin taking on Morgohth or Ancalagon wreaking havoc on middle earth!!!

It doesn't get more epic than the Silmarilion.

The Silmarillion wouldn't be anywhere near as big of a hit as GOT.
 
Or you know, hire really good writers, keep the budget to normal levels. First season of got was probably the cheapest and is still the best, I dont watch GoT for the battles and the special effects.

Well sorry to burst your bubble but a fuckton of people do, and they are the ones Amazon is looking for.
 

VeeP

Member
One Piece is my wildcard anime/manga choice.

Will most likely be awful adapted into live action, but if done right could be MASSIVE.

Too long, too crazy, huge supporting cast, etc. My point is it would be REALLY difficult to do it right. And to top it off the series probably has at least 5 years left, if not more. When would you end the show? Actors age, showrunners move on, etc. I know some studios and fans want shows to keep going forever but it's good to have a beginning, middle, and end in mind imo.

If they're gonna do a anime I'd like to see something like Cowboy Bebop tbh.

Great sci fi setting, badass action scenes, great music, and has a very clear ending.
 

vazel

Banned
The Dune series could be the sci-fi counterpart to Game of Thrones. It has similar feudal political intrigue.
 

Madness

Member
Yeah uh, good luck with that. Game of Thrones didn't exactly become this megahit right out of the gate. It took time to snowball.

It is almost like people forget it was 14+ years of having been a well regarded and modern lord of the rings before it became a show. It also took years of negotiations and two crazy showrunners who really wanted the first 3 books on screen and then also hired some of the actors in the UK.

If the goal is to be Game of Thrones from the start you'll never be Game of Thrones. It is why AMC could not replicate the success of Breaking Bad with anything else, only Vince Gilligan and the same universe with Better Call Saul comes close.
 
I see a lot of suggestions as to subject matter. That's part of the story, I suppose. But I think we're overlooking a key factor. In casting, Game of Thrones took a lot of talented English-speaking European actors, winnowed them down through a massive audition process, and gave them roles into which they could grow.

HBO also invested lavishly in supporting the cast with the most fully realised fantasy world ever seen on screen. But that gruelling audition process, selecting actors many audiences would only have seen before in costume dramas and placing them in that setting with the role of their lives, represents a bold investment in casting that paid off richly.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Discworld.

People are used to fantasy now, so they can understand fantasy satire.
 

Laz-E-Boy

Member
Too long, too crazy, huge supporting cast, etc. My point is it would be REALLY difficult to do it right. And to top it off the series probably has at least 5 years left, if not more. When would you end the show? Actors age, showrunners move on, etc. I know some studios and fans want shows to keep going forever but it's good to have a beginning, middle, and end in mind imo.

If they're gonna do a anime I'd like to see something like Cowboy Bebop tbh.

Great sci fi setting, badass action scenes, great music, and has a very clear ending.

Some arcs would inevitably get cut or drastically changed (Skypiea, Fishman Island, maybe Thriller Bark), some characters would change, fuse into other characters or just get cut. The Strawhats (The OG 5 anyway) would most likely have to be aged up to around early-mid 20's, with Chopper being in his teens and spending majority of the time in humanoid form.

I don't think the length of the show would be an issue. If it somehow gets really popular they can pull a Walking Dead and just make it go as long as possible but unlike the Walking Dead there is a clear end game.

But like you said, it would be really difficult, lol. I do believe that among Shonen action anime/manga it has the best chance to be a success in live action (outside of Fullmetal Alchemist and early Dragonball), even though that chance is slim.


I am interested in live action Cowboy Bebop tho. Could very well be great.
 
I have a suggestion... Berserk.

news_xlarge_berserk1.jpg

Honestly...this is the sleeper right here. The grit, the gore, the sex, the dark oppressive feel of the world.

With dark supernatural elements. The right team and studio would break records from adapting Berserk.
 
The Eclipse makes the Red Wedding look like a walk in the park on a sunny Summer afternoon. If they did everything right leading up to it, it would probably give people a freak out we have never seen before.

Naw, the Red Wedding is more destructive. The Eclipse would just draw "huh?" or
"Of course the woman HAS to get raped to fuel the angry white guy"
. It's more cliche than you think. The Red Wedding also has you invested in the characters for seasons. This would be the season 1 ending.

GoT exists to be big because of budget and competent writing. HBO made the first movie blockbuster on TV with proper CGI. Amazon would have to put in the work and build up that audience as well. Or they will strike lightning in a bottle.
 
I see a lot of suggestions as to subject matter. That's part of the story, I suppose. But I think we're overlooking a key factor. In casting, Game of Thrones took a lot of talented English-speaking European actors, winnowed them down through a massive audition process, and gave them roles into which they could grow.

HBO also invested lavishly in supporting the cast with the most fully realised fantasy world ever seen on screen. But that gruelling audition process, selecting actors many audiences would only have seen before in costume dramas and placing them in that setting with the role of their lives, represents a bold investment in casting that paid off richly.

You're talking about a show that has Kit Harington and Emilia Clarke in two of its most prominent roles, so HBO casting didn't exactly hit it out of the park.
 
You're talking about a show that has Kit Harington and Emilia Clarke in two of its most prominent roles, so HBO casting didn't exactly hit it out of the park.
Yeah, both of them aren't terrible, but they both take me out of the show sometimes. At least they have a little chemistry when they're in scenes together.
 

VeeP

Member
Some arcs would inevitably get cut or drastically changed (Skypiea, Fishman Island, maybe Thriller Bark), some characters would change, fuse into other characters or just get cut. The Strawhats (The OG 5 anyway) would most likely have to be aged up to around early-mid 20's, with Chopper being in his teens and spending majority of the time in humanoid form.

I don't think the length of the show would be an issue. If it somehow gets really popular they can pull a Walking Dead and just make it go as long as possible but unlike the Walking Dead there is a clear end game.

But like you said, it would be really difficult, lol. I do believe that among Shonen action anime/manga it has the best chance to be a success in live action (outside of Fullmetal Alchemist and early Dragonball), even though that chance is slim.


I am interested in live action Cowboy Bebop tho. Could very well be great.

Yea, I agree with everything you said, and you made some good suggestions. The only thing is, One Piece has a lot of fans. And if the show runners make any changes, even some like you said, even name changes, etc. I feel like people will throw tantrums on the internet lol. And maybe it doesn't matter, but I feel like having a uniform solid base that is praising your show lets you really hit the ground running. Hopefully that made sense.

FMA could definitely work, and would be pretty interesting. But it might be hard to get right (like pretty much any anime/magna lol)
 
You're talking about a show that has Kit Harington and Emilia Clarke in two of its most prominent roles, so HBO casting didn't exactly hit it out of the park.


You may not like their performances, but they resonate with audiences and are now, along with three other cast members, among the most highly paid actors in television.
 
I think 100% that Berserk would not work as a "GoT" style show that Amazon wants to have "GoT" style appeal.

This is coming from a mega-fan of Berserk.

Legend of Galactic Heroes has way better appeal, though their going to have to rename it to sound cooler.

I'm 100% certain you're wrong. Also we got a good LoGH adaptation. We never got a good, complete adaptation of Berserk.
 

Pachinko

Member
Time for X'anth to shine with the horny teenager chronicles - bring on A spell for Chameleon !

... but seriously though , you can't bottle lighting Bezos.
 

HStallion

Now what's the next step in your master plan?
Naw, the Red Wedding is more destructive. The Eclipse would just draw "huh?" or
"Of course the woman HAS to get raped to fuel the angry white guy"
. It's more cliche than you think. The Red Wedding also has you invested in the characters for seasons. This would be the season 1 ending.

GoT exists to be big because of budget and competent writing. HBO made the first movie blockbuster on TV with proper CGI. Amazon would have to put in the work and build up that audience as well. Or they will strike lightning in a bottle.

Whatever you personal take we've had decades of evidence to people's reactions to Eclipse in its many different presentations for decades now and they're always extreme as are people's opinions of what
Griffith
does. Combine that with all the other madness and nightmarish horrific imagery and it burns itself into your mind. The ending of the 97' anime or the trilogy movies is almost always followed by,"What happens next?" Sadly the latest anime failed to represent that properly at all.
 

Dirca

Member
And this is where Dark Tower should have been. It should have been an R rated episodic series. Too bad the movie shit on any possibility of that happening.
 

Tagg9

Member
It's ridiculous to tout this as their philosophy when they just greenlit two comedy pilots and a comic book adaptation.

If they want something as successful as Game of Thrones, then they need more high concept series. Tong Wars arguably falls into this camp, but they really need to buy a prestigious fantasy series (Dune, Wheel of Time, Dark Tower, Mistborn, etc.) and somehow convince an experienced showrunner to take the lead on it.
 
Whatever you personal take we've had decades of evidence to people's reactions to Eclipse in its many different presentations for decades now and they're always extreme as are people's opinions of what
Griffith
does. Combine that with all the other madness and nightmarish horrific imagery and it burns itself into your mind. The ending of the 97' anime or the trilogy movies is almost always followed by,"What happens next?" Sadly the latest anime failed to represent that properly at all.

Decades of reactions that no one has seen.

Horrific imagery isn't that terrifying. The influx of horror movies has shown us this. There's a difference between a
scene where characters you've watched for 3 seasons die in terrible ways (slit throats, pregnant woman stabbed, stabbed to death by their allies
than
grotesque creatures where a few people you see once in a while die with a bunch of nobodies where the main woman in the series is raped to anger the main white protagonist
. With the Eclipise, you're going to get the reactions of
Sansa being raped 100x over because it's just like that but 1000x more obvious
. The Eclipse would be a visual treat but it's not on the same tier as The Red Wedding, not enough build up. There's more to big moments than just shock. It's quite obvious Berzerk's writer went for shock.

Even besides the Eclipse, there isn't a lot of content within the series as is to make a long show that Amazon would want. There are already 3 movies chronicling up to the Eclipse which even stretched it. You might have enough material for about 2 to 2 and a half seasons -- which most likely isn't enough to be GoT numbers.
 

NetMapel

Guilty White Male Mods Gave Me This Tag
High profile adoptation of romance of three kingdoms or some of Jinyong's popular novel series. A billion Chinese would watch them.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
High profile adoptation of romance of three kingdoms or some of Jinyong's popular novel series. A billion Chinese would watch them.

With a white guy cast as Liu Bei?
 
You know, I wonder how a Mass Effect adaptation would work. The budget would have to be enormous, and there'd be all kinds of problems adapting a story where the central appeal is choosing your own adventure.
 

Stiler

Member
It's a fools errand to try and chase game of thrones, especially if they are willing to simply throw every other show under the bus if it's not "big enough" like GOT, that's a sure fire way to send the entire amazon video thing down in flames.

Instead of trying to chase the magic show, just like so many publishers tried to chase the success of WoW and failed miserably, just focus on building up GOOD shows that have a loyal fanbase and stick around.

Focus on having new shows year around instead of just one "big" show once a year so people are sticking around to see them rather then coming back for a month or two and then canceling it once the show is over.
 
I hope Amazon isn't betting on using big data to craft a show that is a megahit.

Maybe I'm naive, but I still believe that creating something truly megahit-level requires a bold and creative vision.
 
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