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PewDiePie calls someone a "fucking n****r" during PUBG livestream
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FloatingDivider
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There isn't a person alive I'd rather see go down in fucking flames than pewdiepie. Everything about him is a mistake, his dad jizzing in his mom to make their aryan wunderboy youtube star was a mistake. God making the universe was probably a mistake if he was going to inhabit the shit with pdp style motherfuckers. But him saying fucking n*****r clearly wasn't a mistake. That boy clearly says shit like that all the time, it's that 4chan neo nazi alt right bullshit lingo where n*****r is just a random expletive to call someone. I've accidentally played with some white dudes who drop indiscriminate N bombs (they got kicked from my party as soon as they did) but pdp is basically the exact model of one of those fuckboi's. I imagine his non streamed gameplay is a cornucopia of race related swear wording.
I like "my black friend doesn't care"
I have no issue with any of that other than to say topics like these littered with calling him a racist will not change anything. I want to see this part of internet culture go away because of how childish it is, but I really think by reacting this way they feel justified in what they consider trolling.
Did he throw his hat into that ring then? I say he does so if he puts out a video reiterating that he doesn't think it's a bad word and would do it again. Can we agree that is the real line that, should he cross it, would mean there is no further debate needed? If he actually does the unlikely and apologizes, maybe we should reconsider.
The way you said that was as if he intended to start this. Clearly he did not say that word because he consciously summoned it. I think he uses it casually like so many unfortunately do without considering its weight.
My contention is people equate Pewdiepie is a racist with Pewdiepie is a white supremacist, when in reality, he's an idiot that probably is only interested in trolling and getting attention. That makes him a bad person but it is not pushing one race that is motivating his behavior.
LincolnTunnel
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"He's just a kid!" is a good one.
No no no! He was referencing a famous Swedish chocolate! You just misheard him!
this excuse was literally used in this thread
That would be the worst excuse to use ever. There are plently of words to use in a heated moment but in the end he chose a word that is racist, not to mention being heated moment usually brings out your true colors.
I guess you're not familiar with the concept of casual racism? But I bet you do understand that even if he wasn't consciously pushing the narrative that another race is better than the other, he is still perpetuating this thinking when he uses words that are inherently racist?
GHG
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GhostTrick
Banned
Actually, the excuse was a "delicious swedish chocolate". Which he then proceded to change for "asshole". :")
Red pill
Mental illness
Economic anxiety
The heat of the moment (in this particular case)
Blue live matters
Black live matters racist
My -minority- friend
Starting messages with "first let me say that what he did/said is wrong BUT"
This is one of my favorite posts on GAF:
Racism is weird. Everybody knows it totally exists, but when you look at any specific situation, racism is never involved. You can know that it exists, but when you look for it, it turns into something else.
Racism is quantum locked. It doesn't exist when it's being observed. The moment it is seen by any living creature, it freezes into a coincidence.
Videos get blacklisted from showing ads or companies pull out entirely of the whole ad on YouTube thing. It have happened and the thing is it will happen as this goes on. Don't matter the site, be it YouTube or Twitch.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
I feel like the bolded sentence are opposing each other. He can't casually say it without considering the weight of the word and at the same time trolling and wanting to get attention.
In this particular case I am not one of these "guys" as I do not want to defend PDP even for a minute. But in the past I tried these negotiating strategy in other cases and you are right, I always tried this strategy with the left and not the right. The reason is simple. I think that the left is more sensible and more capable of understanding argumentation.
King Tubby
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I wonder how many of the people who just shrug this off are the type to throw a shitfit when a game they haven't even played yet gets an 8/10.
Pewdiepie is currently known for screaming rape jokes and how he got famous to begin with. He has also belittled women's intelligence, recently did a lot of Nazi "jokes" and that stuff with death to all jews, repeatedly made a lot of concentration camp comparisons after "apologizing" for the death to all jews thing, and now it's saying the N word.
And I'm pretty sure out of his entire career on YouTube that doesn't even cover every controversy of his.
Feels pretty cut and dry that he is an idiot, a racist, and pretty misogynist to boot!
And I'm pretty sure out of his entire career on YouTube that doesn't even cover every controversy of his.
Feels pretty cut and dry that he is an idiot, a racist, and pretty misogynist to boot!
This would go back to answering the question on why it's apparently always on the left to take responsibility on how to make the internet less racist.
A trifecta of assholery.
Your position attempts to equate reactions of a theoretical pewdiepie video of Cunt with the n-word while censoring the latter. This should be a telling moment for you.
FrankNitty
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I think what some of the people fail to understand or trying to gloss over and act like this isn't a big deal is that if you are "Caucasian" there is not one all encompassing disrespectful, insulting, word that is used to identify your person or heritage. Not that I can think of, correct me if I'm wrong please
That alone makes it difficult to truly understand how someone else feels hearing this sort of thing. Think about it for a min...what if he said gook, kike, spic, etc. Would some of you have a different take on this then?
In this kids position considering how many viewers he has this isn't a mistake he should be making, if was a mistake to begin with. Maybe he needed a bump in numbers...who knows. The issue is that if his fan base sees him doing it and they are simple minded enough to think it's OK to say, they are very mistaken especially if they say it to the wrong person.
I'm a 37 year old black male and I rarely use the word. Why? Because it normalizes it. Also because I work in a corporate setting, I'm not going to go speaking like that. Plus I do not want someone slipping and saying it to me thinking it's ok.
If someone doesn't see an issue with a blond hair, blue eyed mid 20's Caucasian male saying that in a contemptuous meaningful derogatory way ( i mean come on, he back tracked to asshole) online with the amount of followers he has, is not a big deal. When you look at the reach he has, and how simple minded other people are...sorry it is a big deal.
That alone makes it difficult to truly understand how someone else feels hearing this sort of thing. Think about it for a min...what if he said gook, kike, spic, etc. Would some of you have a different take on this then?
In this kids position considering how many viewers he has this isn't a mistake he should be making, if was a mistake to begin with. Maybe he needed a bump in numbers...who knows. The issue is that if his fan base sees him doing it and they are simple minded enough to think it's OK to say, they are very mistaken especially if they say it to the wrong person.
I'm a 37 year old black male and I rarely use the word. Why? Because it normalizes it. Also because I work in a corporate setting, I'm not going to go speaking like that. Plus I do not want someone slipping and saying it to me thinking it's ok.
If someone doesn't see an issue with a blond hair, blue eyed mid 20's Caucasian male saying that in a contemptuous meaningful derogatory way ( i mean come on, he back tracked to asshole) online with the amount of followers he has, is not a big deal. When you look at the reach he has, and how simple minded other people are...sorry it is a big deal.
HazySaiyan
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"IF BLACK PEOPLE USE IT WHY CANT WE?"
My life experience has taught me, with very few exceptions, that people who cagegorize the act of pointing out overtly racist acts as "divisive" are some of the worst people I've ever encountered. On a deeply personal level. It takes a special lack of humanity, more akin to sociopathy, to have such a twisted and malignant outlook that they can claim the thing dividing people is recognition of a problem, rather than a worldview that categorically attempts to de-humanize a subset of people. And to be clear, this isn't a matter of education or intelligence. If anything, a sharper mind makes their rationalizations and deflections less obvious in general, but the more labored the layers of their justifications, the more obvious their intent becomes. Self delusion is the most positive way to look at the evil that comes out of their mouths, but I can't even say I really think it's so benign as that.
I've seen a lot of that here in this thread.
I've seen a lot of that here in this thread.
Aquavelvaman
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Here's a link to Boogie's speech about tolerating bigots:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/174149200?t=32m51s
"If you were a straight white man, you had to learn to tolerate the African Americans who moved into your neighborhood...but along with that came the fact that you would also be tolerated...everyone would be tolerated, even people who were wrong, even people who were bigoted"
The equating of tolerating bigotry with tolerating being a human who isn't white really is some boogie-level shit.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/174149200?t=32m51s
"If you were a straight white man, you had to learn to tolerate the African Americans who moved into your neighborhood...but along with that came the fact that you would also be tolerated...everyone would be tolerated, even people who were wrong, even people who were bigoted"
The equating of tolerating bigotry with tolerating being a human who isn't white really is some boogie-level shit.
FloatingDivider
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He probably has white friends he plays call of duty with and they've brow beaten him into submission so he's accepting of them dropping nig-bombs when they get a little frustrated. Like pewdiepie is just the most visible of an entire subculture of people who think n-bombs are the thing to drop in voice chat. I've played enough xbl/psn games and have gotten enough text/voice messages on those servers to know that N-Bombs are part & parcel of teen white America and has been for a good decade now. Shit really got toxic when xbox had those avatars mii clones and you could see peoples skin colour.
I meant he is in general aiming for attention. He definitely did not mean to use that word there and we all know that.
Foremost, I have insisted at every turn the usage of this word is always wrong. Pewdiepie is immature but for me to say he is a racist, he needs to earnestly wish for the downfall or detriment of one race he considers beneath his own. To him, this word has no weight. He uses it in the exact same way kids use "jew" as learned from South Park. To them the word has been disarmed when they use it casually amongst friends. He does not consider it a weighted word because he is ignorant. He isn't saying it intentionally, constantly, to offend you and flaunt his freedom to say it.
That's all I have time for today. Let's see what Pewdiepie includes in the inevitable apology/racist-tirade video.
King Tubby
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He seriously has no idea what he's talking about. If you were a straight white man, you DIDN'T have to learn to tolerate the African Americans who moved into your neighborhood. Oh my god. This is infuriating.
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This probably should be its own thread. Maybe? Now I don't know anymore.
Trump should hire him to build the fence.
Oh that one's easy, the line is drawn at "fat shaming", or really anything that affects him personally.
Everything is fine unless he personally finds it insulting.
King Tubby
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The bar for racism isn't "actively calling for the subjugation of millions of people." It can be as simple as lacking basic respect for other human beings because of the color of their skin, and him throwing out "what a fucking nigger" on stream (and apparently all the time in his personal life) indicates that he doesn't have much respect for black people at all.
The word actually has plenty of weight to him as a horrible thing to call someone. That's the entire point of using it even for shock value. That's the whole reason why he would use it even in the most charitable of interpretations. He just doesn't give a shit.
BumblebeeCody
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Wanna make it clear I'm not defending (or hating PDP).
I think what he did was shitty but it's not a clear "he is a racist". The same thing happened to Maximilian earlier this year and people really shat on him for that.
You can't really hate Boogie but he often adds nothing to the discussion. The way people are addressing Boogie even on here is pretty disgusting.
snail_maze
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What the fuck, haha.
tolerate is also such a wrong choice of word for that. I have chosen to allow black people to live in my neighbourhood.
Yeesh, not a good look for boogie there
Wasn't that by accident and then followed by an apology? Didnt follow it myself but from what I heard at least. Not really the same thing
The difference between this youtube man and kids copying South Park is the youtube man is almost 30 fucking years old.
You don't get to say whether he's ignorant or not. Only he knows that for sure but from what I've seen, I think it's pretty clear this is not a case of "ignorance" in the sense that he doesn't know the weight of that word.
and as you say, "for me to say he is a racist, he needs to earnestly wish for the downfall or detriment of one race he considers beneath his own," you must have missed the part where he literally paid people to make signs that said "DEATH TO ALL JEWS."
I don't know why you're defending a racist but you should stop it.
John Rabbit
Banned
I'm so glad that during Boogie's childhood straight wypipo finally had a guarantee of tolerance after all the other non-straight non-wypipo had the audacity to move into their town. Before that things we're just really tough for the wypipo.
The only thing he said in that clip that I agree with is "I grew up around a lot of ignorant people". Yeah, it definitely shows you coward.
guybrushfreeman
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What a disgusting thing to say. No, the line for racist behaviour is not genocide. What a horrible, pathetic post.
Jesus, it almost takes him more energy to be nothing at all than it would to just say "No, this thing is bad, absolutely."
That's fucking cowardice right there.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/060.html
Boogie is more concerned with order.Rev. Martin Luther King said:
PhantomThief
Banned
Just words man!
OriginalPoe
Banned
South Park made a whole goddamn episode about how fucking crucified someone would get for fucking up N_GGERS in Wheel of Fortune (NAGGERS was the word). THE ENTIRE EPISODE, ALL OF THE PEOPLE GANG UP ON THE GUY WHO DOES IT.
What even are we arguing now? One is satirical social commentary, the other is a guy who is getting no heat for his screwup.
None of those assholes will ever say the n-word next to black people, which is why that whole "heat of the moment" argument is bullshit. They know that there will be consequences in real life, but they think there won't be any online, which is why it's important that PDP face some real consequences for this shit.
HazySaiyan
Banned
We've reached Peak Boogie. What a fucking moron
You cant be a grown ass man on the internet, been on YouTube for a decade, and not understand the connotations of calling someone a nigger.
It doesn't work that way. He knows what it is and what it means, because the context is meant to insult and belittle the opponent. It was a very specific attack and his words match his intentions. He just didn't mean to get caught, or can you explain the other video of him saying it?
Everyone knows what calling someone a nigger means.
But! Let's take this post at face value.
He didn't apologise at all after people gaining notice? Would an honest man let people think such a horrid thing about him without correcting it? Even JonTron spent 2 hours trying to justify and recenter himself as not racist.
Stop batting for someone who doesn't give a shit about you.
King Tubby
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People barely shat on him, because he made clear it was a jumbling of words and he apologized for it. He also didn't have a history like PewDiePie does.
PewDiePie gets frustrated in a game and just instinctually says "what a fucking nigger" like it's the most natural response in the world. I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He hasn't even apologized for it.
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