Bloodporne
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I would actually really like to see an extended cut. The whole thing felt too short and rushed through despite its running time. It constantly felt like they were fighting the clock to rush to the next story beat.
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I would actually really like to see an extended cut. The whole thing felt too short and rushed through despite its running time. It constantly felt like they were fighting the clock to rush to the next story beat.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
yes--something more languid would be nice. i would have watched a 3 hour cut, easy.
Pilgrimzero
Member
That's another difference from the old film. They straight up introduce every kid (usually due to meeting someone). "Hi I'm Ritchie and this is Eddie. I crack wise and he's a hypochondriac".
The new film, you kind of have to catch thier names as the kids blurt them out "Hey Ritchie come here!"
MagnaderAlpha
Member
Bryce Dallas Howard would be perfect as well
Also have to consider the age. If the second movie takes place NOW, despite being a woman in her mid-30s, Bryce would still be too young to have been 13-14 during 1988-89 (she would've been 7 during 1988 and 8 during 1989). Adult Bev, as well as the other Adult Losers, would be in their early-40s. Amy Adams and Jessica Chastain, however, ARE closer to that age. Amy is older (by a year or so), and Jessica is younger by a few years.
Gozer the Gozerian
Member
So there was that article a few days ago discussing some of the Muschiettis' plans for IT: Chapter 2 including the inclusion of a large amount of childhood flashbacks in the adult movie. Well, here's another interesting tidbit about Chapter 2 that should be very intriguing for fans of the book:
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-it-director-reveals-how-the-sequel-will-use-the-turtle-god
http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/exclusive-it-director-reveals-how-the-sequel-will-use-the-turtle-god
MagnaderAlpha
Member
And again, this doesn't make the original a BETTER movie, but it DID achieve things that this one didn't, and vice versa. I mentioned the "Beep beep Richie" bit was used a bit in the mini-series. Hearing that over and over again does help you remember Richie's name, that's for sure. And from what I remember, not only the Losers saying "Ben" over and over, but the scene when Ben was with his mom and in his aunt's house, "Ben!" "Ben Hanscom!", things like that help. While it would've been lewd, I almost wanted the Leper to do the
whole "Howabout a blowjob, Eddie?"
Is that turtle maybe
Maturin
I really should read the book someday.
I've always figured it was Maturin. Shardik in the Dark Tower novels confuses me though, because Maturin is an actual Macroverse creature, but the Shardik that the ka'tet encounters in the Dark Tower is quite obviously a cyborg/robot of some kind and constructed by North Central Positronics, but is also considered a beam guardian. Did NCP replace the "real" Shardik with a cyborg and just never got around to Maturin?
Kyleripman
Member
The turtle should be
dead
When I see Beth's face, I see Amy Adams. If you told me that was her secret daughter, I'd believe you.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yes they made a robo-Shardik to repalce the real one. No idea what happened to real Shardik
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Just again, reminding everyone, Lauren Ambrose exists and is an amazing actress and is age appropriate.
Also, that hair dye also exists and you don't have to restrict casting possibilities to the three famous ginger women you know.
Also, that WB is probably not looking to spend much more than 40-50mil on making Chapter Two considering Chapter One was only $35mil and is gonna get north of $300, probably, unless legs flat out disappear like Georgie's arm.
Adding a whole bunch of known stars to the cast won't help there.
Also, that hair dye also exists and you don't have to restrict casting possibilities to the three famous ginger women you know.
Also, that WB is probably not looking to spend much more than 40-50mil on making Chapter Two considering Chapter One was only $35mil and is gonna get north of $300, probably, unless legs flat out disappear like Georgie's arm.
Adding a whole bunch of known stars to the cast won't help there.
SealedSeven
Neo Member
If only Finn Wolfhard could resemble Seth Green more to make it believable, I would have liked to see Seth play Richie again as Adult version.
Gozer the Gozerian
Member
Robert Downey Jr. as Richie
Mark Ruffalo as Eddie
Chris Evans as Bill
Chris Hemsworth as Ben
Scarlett Johansson as Bev
Chadwick Boseman as Mike
Jeremy Renner as Stan
You're welcome.
Mark Ruffalo as Eddie
Chris Evans as Bill
Chris Hemsworth as Ben
Scarlett Johansson as Bev
Chadwick Boseman as Mike
Jeremy Renner as Stan
You're welcome.
ryutaro's mama
Member
I didn't suggest Adams based on her being "one of three famous ginger women I know". I made the suggestion based on the fact that Sophia Lillis looks like a younger Amy Adams and vice versa.
It's kinda uncanny, actually.
When they walk into the bloody bathroom and he goes "holy shit this is like Eddie's mom's snatch on Halloween" or something I fucking died
I'd watch an entire Richie movie tbh, kid was easily my favorite part of the movie lol
Mortimer Brewster
Member
ryutaro's mama
Member
You can't possibly think this was close to approaching a serious post.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I didn't know you'd suggested Adams at all. I wasn't paying that much attention. Just saw the casting discussion had popped up again and wanted to chime in with my bullshit like I do.
Mortimer Brewster
Member
Never know with Disney/Marvel fanboys.
They're going to recast Bev as an Asian woman? Seriously?
MagnaderAlpha
Member
I know everybody loves to cast Seth as adult Richie cause he was child Richie in the mini-series, but the dude is too short, IMO. As a young Loser, he was fine because he was around other young people, now... nah.
bryanee
Member
VistraNorrez
Member
I said it before, but I think Fred Savage would be great as older Eddie.
A line up that has never been seen before. I like it!
ryutaro's mama
Member
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Does Richie need to be tall or something?
Aren't a lot of Hollywood actors somewhere around 5'7" - 6'
(I don't know how tall Seth Green is. I'm betting he's like DeVito sized or something? Then again - shit didn't hurt DeVito)
The Bill Hader suggestion someone made awhile back is a really good one.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Idris Elba as Mike
Idris Elba as Bill
Idris Elba as Eddie
Idris Elba as Richie
Idris Elba as Stan
Idris Elba as Ben
Make it happen. I'll take one or all.
Idris Elba as Bill
Idris Elba as Eddie
Idris Elba as Richie
Idris Elba as Stan
Idris Elba as Ben
Make it happen. I'll take one or all.
ryutaro's mama
Member
The cinematography in this film was soooo good. Some shots that come to mind were the framing of the headless corpse descending the stairs in the library and the painting coming to life, out of focus, behind Stanley's head.
Ritchie in the "clown room"...
I could go on and on but really loved this aspect of the film the most.
Ritchie in the "clown room"...
I could go on and on but really loved this aspect of the film the most.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Like what? (In reference to Eddie's mother knowing about It and wanting to keep Eddie inside where he is "safe")
If I remember what I've read of the novel correctly she's really just controlling and co-dependent, and that plays into relationship choices Eddie makes as an adult (in the novel at least, since he's essentially damaged in that regard after his experience with his mother). She doesn't know anything about Pennywise/Grand Evil outside the standard danger about there being disappearances of people in town.
Interestingly, a turtle does appear in Part 1 at least twice. Bill finds a lego turtle in Georgie's room, and the Losers mention a turtle with them when they're swimming in the quarry.
It does make me wonder if the people of Derry are on some subconscious level aware of It. And that feeds into Eddie's mother's neuroses and telling him he's "sick", why Bill's dad gets so upset about him wanting to search the sewers, and Mike's grandfather wanting him to stay at work on the farm.
Mike's grandfather even tells him that the town is cursed!
He is the right age and build for Mike however. I could see him easily play that part.
Impression:
It was a solid adaption - but it could of been more. There were subtle things that didn't make much sense since it wasn't adressed. I also thought they could of dived deeper with the horror elements of the film. Nonetheless it was a good film. I really liked Skarsgård performance as Pennywise. Solid casting. Being tall and lanky truly made him look creepy as hell. If he'd only been made scarier, I would of loved it.
As for the kids, Bev was awesome. The other kids were good, too but Bev really shined in this film. Going forward, I'd like to see Christina Hendricks take on the role.
7/10. Here's hoping that they go deeper down the rabbit hole for the second half.
It was a solid adaption - but it could of been more. There were subtle things that didn't make much sense since it wasn't adressed. I also thought they could of dived deeper with the horror elements of the film. Nonetheless it was a good film. I really liked Skarsgård performance as Pennywise. Solid casting. Being tall and lanky truly made him look creepy as hell. If he'd only been made scarier, I would of loved it.
As for the kids, Bev was awesome. The other kids were good, too but Bev really shined in this film. Going forward, I'd like to see Christina Hendricks take on the role.
7/10. Here's hoping that they go deeper down the rabbit hole for the second half.
Host Samurai
Member
Who would be more difficult to deal with? Pennywise or Freddy? I feel like they're kiiiiinda similar.
Pennywise seems to troll you randomly, while he can be easily overcome. Freddy only trolls when sleeping and can only be defeated if you drag him into the real world, which seems to be a pain in the ass. I have to go with Freddy being harder to take down with my skillset. Pennywise seems harmless if you don't fear him and just pretend he doesn't exist.
Pennywise seems to troll you randomly, while he can be easily overcome. Freddy only trolls when sleeping and can only be defeated if you drag him into the real world, which seems to be a pain in the ass. I have to go with Freddy being harder to take down with my skillset. Pennywise seems harmless if you don't fear him and just pretend he doesn't exist.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Why is this only just now the first time I've seen this suggestion?
It's a fuckin good one. Damn.
ryutaro's mama
Member
You have to sleep and yes, figuring out how to beat Freddy, in a dreamscape he completely controls, is...yeah.
Bloodporne
Member
I wouldn't be able to handle Christina Hendricks.
I think she's one of the sexiest women possibly of all time and every time she shows up on a screen, my brain can't process plot, dialogue or anything else for that matter.
I think she's one of the sexiest women possibly of all time and every time she shows up on a screen, my brain can't process plot, dialogue or anything else for that matter.
DeviantBoi
Member
Mentioned it twice already in other threads...
Seth Green played Richie in the TV movie.
He should definitely be considered for the sequel.
Seth Green played Richie in the TV movie.
He should definitely be considered for the sequel.
I'm not going to spoil anything but it's not about her directly.
I think it's the fault of the film not illustrating how encompassing It's evil is. He's eternal, almost cosmic. But there's more going on in people's lives/actions than "there's a crazy killer clown on the loose."
Seeing as Hendricks (b.1975) also is 27 years older than Sophia Lillis (b.2002) who played Bev in this film, I'd say it's a match made in heaven.
I just hope they start production as soon as possible, lol.~.
You would not be mistaken.
StanleyStutters
Member
Those were both psychotic, true. I just felt his character was never really as much of a threat as in the books. Reading the books I always felt he was a major threat to the group just as much as Pennywise.
Sorry if this is old, but this just popped up in my suggestions on Youtube. It's Tim Curry talking about working with the kid who played Georgie in the mini-series. It's really tough seeing him in this condition, but the story is amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZDe3tEVYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSZDe3tEVYQ
bodyofanamerican
Member
I wasn't aware that the director of this film did both the short film and feature length versions of Mama at first. Now I can't help but compare quite a few of the Pennywise scares to at least the short film of Mama with the monster rushing towards the camera/protagonist. Not that it ruins the film for me, but it's something that's in my head now.
Ace Harding
Member
I want to watch this but have never read the book. Just got it on my kindle on a whim. Should I read it first?
Make no mistake, part 1 of the 1990 TV miniseries is better executed than the 2017 film.
It's kind of a hard comparison to make between the miniseries and this first movie -- I don't disagree that there are things the miniseries did better, but I'm having a hard time separating the miniseries into 2 discrete chunks since it is longer and has the added bonus of completing the story. If the 2nd movie here has flashbacks to the kids, and fills in gaps, then a lot of the things we are looking at now as sort of characteristically incomplete aren't going to last.
The miniseries is less funny, and in a lot of ways tonally more accurate to *my* feelings evoked of the source material. It is darker, and a bit more disturbing overall. It is *not* as well-executed, and in many ways veers away from the source material where this movie feels like a closer complement to it.
It's not a win-win movie. It doesn't have better execution, better tone, and better characters, necessarily. It is a *really* good movie though and distills the first part of the story in a way that is fun, funny, heart-warming where it should be, and manages to be disturbing visually in a way the miniseries just simply couldn't be.
I am very excited to see Part 2, and I would only pray that Muscietti relies more on practical effects, and selects a darker tone overall to complement the story, while bringing back a few "missing" scenes that I was hoping for in the first movie (but can still easily *fit* in the 2nd)
The miniseries is less funny, and in a lot of ways tonally more accurate to *my* feelings evoked of the source material. It is darker, and a bit more disturbing overall. It is *not* as well-executed, and in many ways veers away from the source material where this movie feels like a closer complement to it.
It's not a win-win movie. It doesn't have better execution, better tone, and better characters, necessarily. It is a *really* good movie though and distills the first part of the story in a way that is fun, funny, heart-warming where it should be, and manages to be disturbing visually in a way the miniseries just simply couldn't be.
I am very excited to see Part 2, and I would only pray that Muscietti relies more on practical effects, and selects a darker tone overall to complement the story, while bringing back a few "missing" scenes that I was hoping for in the first movie (but can still easily *fit* in the 2nd)