NiceSo something I noticed yesterday while I was watching with my roommate as he caught up
In Stupid Piece of Shit, Beatrice says:
"Give me the baby back, you worthless waste of my husband's jism!"
To which Bojack replies:
"Oh, so you do know who I am!"
Bea didn't recognize Bojack, she still thought she was talking to Henrietta, who slept with her husband.
We may not agree on stuff like DCEU but this was one of the best analysis I've heard regarding Bojack.You want to know what's great about Hollyhock? Why's she's great for Bojack?That's got to be one of the best showcases of character development I've seen in a while.She never tries to delegitimize Bojack's feelings while also not feeding into them.
She clearly has a very different regard for Beatrice than Bojack because she never had a childhood with the monster she was while cognizant. And when Bojack expresses his resentment against her in more extreme ways, like how he cruelly takes away her doll, she's clearly uncomfortable...
but she never actually condemns Bojack because she knows the kind of pain that he must feel towards his mother to result in these actions. She doesn't try to convince Bojack to give his mother another chance or anything like that. She just empathizes with his feelings, lets them play out, and then asks him to be kind anyway.
And that's what he does, in the end. Beatrice has to get out of his life, for his own well being, but in their last moments together, in episode 11, he creates a peaceful and pleasant scene for her confused mind. And it's not like he just saw the flashbacks with us, he just saw that she was a confused and frightened old woman who didn't know what was going on. And then he choose to be kind.
Finally been released! Worked on the subtitling and was eager to discuss two things in particular:
Ep 11What do you guys think of Beatrice's reaction to the the "Can you taste the ice cream?" "Yes. It tastes... *sigh* Wonder." I thought she was realizing it was all a lie.
She didn't associate the lake house with ice cream, but went along with it because.... she gave up?
Also, not sure which ep, but is the kid in thechairclown dentistsCertainly looks alike.Vincent Adultman?
All in all, a beautiful season.
Also, cheeky crossposting from the date confirmation thread =p
Regarding the spoiler...I thought her pause was an indication that she never,
ever actually got to eat ice cream. As a child, constantly denied by her parents,
and as an adult, so twisted by her childhood experiences that she stops herself from wanting it in the first place -- that doing so would make her fat, etc. So that when she is asked, she realizes she doesn't know what ice cream tastes like. So she just comes up with a nondescript adjective. In some ways she has always "wondered" what it tasted like,
so that's all she ascribes to it. I see it as a line that shows how trapped Beatrice was in her own family, and later in her own behavioral habits, to maybe help us sympathize with how she treated BoJack, and how BoJack's issues can somehow be traced back generations. It was probably my favorite line of the season as it made me really put the whole show in a new context.
You want to know what's great about Hollyhock? Why's she's great for Bojack?That's got to be one of the best showcases of character development I've seen in a while.She never tries to delegitimize Bojack's feelings while also not feeding into them.
She clearly has a very different regard for Beatrice than Bojack because she never had a childhood with the monster she was while cognizant. And when Bojack expresses his resentment against her in more extreme ways, like how he cruelly takes away her doll, she's clearly uncomfortable...
but she never actually condemns Bojack because she knows the kind of pain that he must feel towards his mother to result in these actions. She doesn't try to convince Bojack to give his mother another chance or anything like that. She just empathizes with his feelings, lets them play out, and then asks him to be kind anyway.
And that's what he does, in the end. Beatrice has to get out of his life, for his own well being, but in their last moments together, in episode 11, he creates a peaceful and pleasant scene for her confused mind. And it's not like he just saw the flashbacks with us, he just saw that she was a confused and frightened old woman who didn't know what was going on. And then he choose to be kind.
She did eat ice cream, though. When Honey starts drinking, we see her holding an ice cream. seems to be a freezy pop, though, so your great theory still holds as far as her not knowing what vanilla ice cream tastes like.
Another powerful season
I want to re watch Beatrice's flashback. I feel I missed a lot of subtle things going on in the background.
Princess Caroline's miscarriage episode was rough. Ruthie keeps saying "it's a happy ending" when it really wasn't. It fucks with the viewer big time. I kept expecting things to work out then BOOM credits. fuuuuuck
Anyone care to predict what happens next season, granted its renewed? And if renewal is a foregone conclusion now, how far into the pre-production phase are they?
I think it'll get renewed; Its left a little too open for it to just end. And I can see the end in sight.
Plus if it weren't going to get renewed, there would be enough people to petition one more season to wrap things up.
I'm not sure what Season 5 will bring, but I can guess thatDiane & Mr. Peanutbutter will either stay together or divorce, PC will probably end up adopting a child, Todd's relationship with that one chick will have its ups and downs, and Bojack will find meaning in his meaningless life.
So how far are they in the pre-production? They haven't been renewed. Let's assume that the news doesn't come until January. That's four months wasted. On the flipside, they do pre-production on the down low only to be cancelled. Very disheartening.
Also, do they close out on five seasons of 60 episodes, or do they average out on seven? And do you see the show having a fulfilling type of existential ending, or do they go pompous by delivering something akin to Seinfeld or Lost?
Lol!You all defending Beatrice, she did knowingly leave a young Bojack with a child molester and joked about how unwanted he was afterwards!
I am confused...who was thechild molester that bojack was left with?
I am confused...who was thechild molester that bojack was left with?
The piano player from a choir concert of his where his solo was sub-par.
Diane is a Horrid character. She hasn't developed at all and she is just a moan. I'm happy of her ending as I hope she just fades away
You remember which episode this was?
You remember which episode this was?
So how far are they in the pre-production? They haven't been renewed. Let's assume that the news doesn't come until January. That's four months wasted. On the flipside, they do pre-production on the down low only to be cancelled. Very disheartening.
Also, do they close out on five seasons of 60 episodes, or do they average out on seven? And do you see the show having a fulfilling type of existential ending, or do they go pompous by delivering something akin to Seinfeld or Lost?
They may not have started yet. And really I don't think it takes anymore than 1 week per episode because I would think the animation is done like South Park. Instead of just Trey Parker you have a writing team. Voice acting can be phoned in in hours.
They may not have started yet. And really I don't think it takes anymore than 1 week per episode because I would think the animation is done like South Park. Instead of just Trey Parker you have a writing team. Voice acting can be phoned in in hours.
Yeah there's world of difference between South Park and the average cartoonI can't tell if this is serious is this serious?
South Park has algorithms to build their characters out of a pool of assets. Lisa Hanawalt draws and designs characters, major and even background, from scratch with a team of artists. Directors are hand laying out background gags. It's an insane amount of detailed work.
Did I just get trolled I just got trolled didn't I.
And Diane's file photo is great
Ok, I loved this season but something is really bothering me.
How does Hollyhock have a diamond in her forehead? That genetic trace came from Bojack's mom.
Maybe the diamond is a recessive gene and Bojack's dad happened to have said gene too, the diamond just didn't show?
Ok, I loved this season but something is really bothering me.
How does Hollyhock have a diamond in her forehead? That genetic trace came from Bojack's mom.
Yeah, but later the show makes us believe he was just saying a pick-up line, he was lying to impress Beatrice.Yes, though it's his mom, not his dad.One of the things he says to Beatrice when they first meet is that she has a diamond like his mom did.
Clearly he was?Yeah, but later the show makes us believe he was just saying a pick-up line, he was lying to impress Beatrice.The big question is: was he actually saying the truth?He said Henrietta had his mom's hair to seduce her too.
Yeah, but later the show makes us believe he was just saying a pick-up line, he was lying to impress Beatrice.The big question is: was he actually saying the truth?He said Henrietta had his mom's hair to seduce her too.
Yeah, but later the show makes us believe he was just saying a pick-up line, he was lying to impress Beatrice.The big question is: was he actually saying the truth?He said Henrietta had his mom's hair to seduce her too.
Well, they already broke that rule with Todd, whose involved with Bojack, even if not to the same extent
He's not really part of BoJack's life, though. Todd clearly wanted to remove himself from BoJack's life. He just couldn't. Might be more accurate to say that the "fuck" is a character's wish to remove themselves from BoJack's life.
It wasn't in an episode, it was part ofBojack's rant against the doll baby.
The line is from ep405, at 08:20