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Metroid: Samus Returns' Ending Teases the Future of Metroid (MASSIVE SPOILERS)
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TheDinoman
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Well, that was the first game before anything was really truly established, lol. In Super and every Metroid game forward, he's been portrayed as a big lanky dragon...except for Other M where he's some big buffy looking monster for no reason.
I miss Mr Burns Ridley
The X parasite taking over the SR388 monsters leads directly into Metroid Fusion, right? I guess the stuff about the DARK CHOZOS might be a sequel tease where Samus has to deal with them. I'm gonna assume they have some sort of Metroid and Samus has to, maybe, just maybe, blow up their planet. Can't blame her, they have it coming.
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Federation Force spoilers:
The FF ending also shows Sylux hatching a baby Metroid and stealing it from the Galactic Federation, which sort of mirrors the whole Samus at the end of II thing. Something might come of that, so who knows, maybe we'll blow up Sylux's homeworld.
So people in this thread have brought up there being two major factions of Chozo. Scientists and Warriors.
I noticed that the health and ammo stations each feature a different chozo bust on them.
Maybe leader of the science faction is the health station and leader of the warriors is the ammo station?
I noticed that the health and ammo stations each feature a different chozo bust on them.
Maybe leader of the science faction is the health station and leader of the warriors is the ammo station?
CuNi
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Just finished the game on the first run for 100%..the only realy bad thing about the game were the controls every now and then.. Jesus im the drill bot fight, i literally raged because of the controls..anyway..dat 11/10 pic blew my mind.. Also, the first time you unlock it, it's "2d/11"... So.. Either a clever hint or I'm just way to deep in the hype.. I love the implications for a evil/rogue chozo factoion, though I wonder how this all fits into the time line... If they were there earlier, wouldn't MB try to contact them when she got control over zebes? So many questions.. I think I'll start another run..
That last image is really fucking ominous. Not just because of the image itself, but because of how it appears. Initially, the game has 10 Chozo Memories. When you get 100%, you fill out the 10th... And then it turns blurry and red with some creepy music before turning into the 11th Memory.
I get the feeling it's supposed to be a damn big deal and will be the subject of any potential Metroid 5.
I get the feeling it's supposed to be a damn big deal and will be the subject of any potential Metroid 5.
That makes a lot of sense that the stations represent the two factions, but I don't think it's the respective leaders for each type of station because the asshole Chozo has a straight beak, while the ammo station had a curved beak.
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UncleSporky
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Huh, from the moment I first saw that I didn't interpret the last guy as a Chozo. He looks like he's from another alien race, not necessarily a beak there, some kind of proboscis. In fact my first thought was that he was a Luminoth from Metroid Prime 2.
The framing of memory 10 is of the Chozo greeting an emissary who just arrived on his big space ship. He's not pictured in any other image prior to 10, this is a new arrival. And I assumed he was partly responsible for wiping out the Chozo.
The framing of memory 10 is of the Chozo greeting an emissary who just arrived on his big space ship. He's not pictured in any other image prior to 10, this is a new arrival. And I assumed he was partly responsible for wiping out the Chozo.
There are warrior Chozo standing at attention for the guy in Memory 11, so he(?) is probably a Chozo from off world that arrived to "rescue" the SR388 Chozo. Definitely doesn't look anything like the Luminoth.
Seeing him in-game for myself now that I finished SR, this is definitely not a merge of Ridley Robot and Ridley, this is straight up a more biological Meta/Omega Ridley from Prime filling in on his return from Zero Mission to Samus Returns. Same prosthetic wings, metallic arm/claw, and part of his body/back is metallic. Ridley Robot doesn't have any of these features.
So this indicates that SR sees the events of Prime to be canonical now.
Luminoth are extremely lanky and tall creatures with insect-like features, this looks nothing like a Luminoth. Also their Sentinels don't wear that form of garb.
So this indicates that SR sees the events of Prime to be canonical now.
Luminoth are extremely lanky and tall creatures with insect-like features, this looks nothing like a Luminoth. Also their Sentinels don't wear that form of garb.
UncleSporky
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Yeah that could be the case. Still OP is wrong that he's been pictured before. Doesn't look like an argument to me, it definitely looks like someone arriving and being greeted.
Maybe he assumed they were all contaminated and death was the only way to be sure.
Its not a dead end, she's now a Federation enemy as of the end of Fusion. They could have had her take on other such research facilities or something of the sort, but it seems now they might transition to a Chozo enemy (or maybe both a Chozo and Federation enemy).
That said, she still has some fairly high ranking allies in both the Chozo (the science, peaceful side of whatever is still alive) and the Federation (Fleet Admiral Dane), so it would be curious what dynamics might come into play there.
Vital Tundra
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Maybe the good Chozo is like "Yo we can't leave this planet like this. And the bad one is basically like "Fuck you, fuck that, I don't like your idea, and I have been fed up with you for a while now."
But Prime has always been canon.
But Prime has always been canon.
Aaronrules380
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I mean Fusion already set up Samus making an enemy of the federation. I think the logical conclusion to both of these threads is that the evil Chozo group is controlling the federation from the shadows
This is the first time that Prime has been loosely acknowledged in the 2D entries.
Really? I was thinking that the Chozo was their own faction, and would soundly trump the federation. Maybe the feds hire Samus one last time and the pay this time is the pardoning of her crimes?
I remember that federation stuff, but that wouldn't go very far. Killing federation members or being hunted by an army isn't very metroid. And there were no metroid left, no X, of course they could do again the "oh but the federation totally had another metroid and that went wrong" but back then I remember people being really tired of this shit.
Now an evil chozo recreating metroids or something worse maybe sounds stupid but is definitely more interesting and in line with a metroid game. Then again maybe it'll simply be both. Still more interesting than seemingly going "ok let's destroy the feds because I'm right". Needs something more.
This event on SR388 with the Chozo, didn't it happen very long ago?
I hope (but wouldn't mind) we won't see any Chozo in the future regardless to keep them mysterious.
Instead, I would prefer if we had to deal with what the bad Chozo fraction left behind. Like traps,roboters,dangerous machines or bio-experiments, computers or weapons that can destroy the galaxy, an automatic factory of them that has to be stopped, and so on.
I hope (but wouldn't mind) we won't see any Chozo in the future regardless to keep them mysterious.
Instead, I would prefer if we had to deal with what the bad Chozo fraction left behind. Like traps,roboters,dangerous machines or bio-experiments, computers or weapons that can destroy the galaxy, an automatic factory of them that has to be stopped, and so on.
UncleSporky
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Not like there was very much opportunity to do so...Prime and Fusion launched simultaneously. Zero Mission is a retelling of the first game. Where did you expect this Prime acknowledgement to happen?
Heck, you could even say ZM acknowledges it a bit with Mecha Ridley at the end, a wink towards mechanical Ridley forms which were never even considered before Prime.
Aaronrules380
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I mean, in my version the evil Chozo would pretty much have complete control of the upper echelon of the federation, they just keep their presence a secret and control it from the shadows
The convenient thing for continuity would just have the bad chozo return and wage war on the federation on some planet so Samus is in the middle of it all and doesn't have to kill humans.
Or something. Add pirates to the mix.
Removing the X from the storyline seems like a huge waste to me. Samus being the last Metroid at the end of Fusion is more interesting than having new metroids everywhere. So I don't know what they could do.
Or something. Add pirates to the mix.
Removing the X from the storyline seems like a huge waste to me. Samus being the last Metroid at the end of Fusion is more interesting than having new metroids everywhere. So I don't know what they could do.
Aaronrules380
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I mean the Metroid timeline is fuzzy, but we know Samus was raised by Chozo so their disappearance can't have been too far in the past
Oooh ok. Like a Patriots sort of deal eh? I would very much like to see her face when she finds out that not only have they been alive, but have been watching her the whooooole time. It's a cool idea.
Tbh I've missed a bunch of Metroid games so I'm not sure if it's been done yet, but has a game ever been set on a giant planet sized alien parasite? I figure something like that would be enough to get all three factions to shut up and work together to take that thing down. Not only would it give us an excuse to have Chozo, Space Pirates, and Federation soldiers in the same game, we would get a really interesting world to explore and die violently with in gameplay.
Maybe prime 4 can help set this up?
Vital Tundra
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What are y'all guys thoughts on when Prime 4 will fall on the timeline? Im personally thinking AFTER Fusion. No real reason other than there seemingly no huge gaps between Prime 3 and Other M. That being said it could be after Other M as well, especially because there doesn't seem to be a short gap between Other M and Fusion. A lot could have happened between the 2. I guess I just want to see what happens with Sylux, the Metroid he has, and Samus with the whole Metroid thing.
The way the last memory appeared at the end was pretty creepy, what the heck. Anyway I guess the evil chozo overlord took both the metroid and x research and tried to combine them later, and that why we never heard of them ever again. Of course it will be up to Samus to clean that mess as usual.
By the way correct me if I'm wrong since I didn't play Fusion and only watched Walk-through some time ago, but wasn't Samus going to surrender to the Federation at the end ? Or at least trying to plead her case on why she think trying to tame the X is not really a good idea ? You would think they would at least listen to her considering she saved the ass a bunch of time already
Phaaze was already something like that right ? But considering this thing came from another dimension, who knows, maybe there is another one lurking around...
By the way correct me if I'm wrong since I didn't play Fusion and only watched Walk-through some time ago, but wasn't Samus going to surrender to the Federation at the end ? Or at least trying to plead her case on why she think trying to tame the X is not really a good idea ? You would think they would at least listen to her considering she saved the ass a bunch of time already
Phaaze was already something like that right ? But considering this thing came from another dimension, who knows, maybe there is another one lurking around...
They left it pretty open ended (at least in English, can't speak to the original text). Samus seems pretty concerned that she's going to be treated as a criminal, but Adam tells her to have faith that someone will believe her account of the threat she faced. They could honestly take it either way, depending on the story they want to tell (or not address it at all and have her go track down the Chozo).
Green Mamba
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Yeah the idea that a Metroid 5 has to be about Samus going rogue against the Federation is a fan concept, Fusion's ending is pretty open ended regarding what will happen next.
The X had to be removed for one reason: They're really fucking broken. The moment they commandeer a spaceship and reach Galactic Civilization, they will consume everything and be basically unstoppable.
The only reason the Metroids could really control them was they were stuck in the caverns of one planet.
Vital Tundra
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Personally her being labeled a criminal is super dumb to me. Shes saved the Universe a couple times over so the idea they would want to jail her and not believe her story is a bit absurd.
But that's why they're so good and also why Samus being the last Metroid alive make them the perfect enemy.
If anything, they should consume the federation in a sequel
Metroid can get dark, but that's a bit too dark for my liking. Getting into Dead Space territory.
Star Orpheus
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The Federation wanted to capture what was essentially John Carpenters The Thing on steroids. They've repeatedly run experiments on things that were declared so dangerous they had Samus wipe them all out. Also lets allow some of are best bounty hunters and soldiers to have liquid evil batteries on their gear.
This does not strike me as a smart or reasonable governing body. They'd probably want her captured just to keep a lid on their experiments.
Am I wrong in thinking that absorbing those X Parasites caused the Metroids to mutate over time?
Am I also wrong in thinking that Larva Metroids are inherently obedient to their Chozo Creators?
Perhaps I'm wrong in thinking that this Rogue Chozo has something to do with Samus, specifically as well. That Arm Cannon looks pretty similar.
Am I also wrong in thinking that Larva Metroids are inherently obedient to their Chozo Creators?
Perhaps I'm wrong in thinking that this Rogue Chozo has something to do with Samus, specifically as well. That Arm Cannon looks pretty similar.
Would that be better if the X started to consume the space pirates mainbase instead or something?
We need a way for Samus to get branded as a criminal but still have the federation crippled in some way so they still need her to save the day eventually.
The federation needs some sort of storyline where they end up learning the hard way not to mess with all that shit
Remember how the baby Metroid imprinted on Samus? I think they're implying that's what originally was the relationship between the Metroids and the Chozo. So it's actually a design feature that got ruined by the Metroid evolution.
Samus's suit was built by the Chozo, so that's probably why.
Astral/H3X
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Putting these two together, I don't think any of this is what was intended originally (especially since Fusion, and thus the X, came waaaaaay later), but it certainly sounds like a direction they could feasibly go in. EDIT: In that Metroids were supposed to be more "friendly" with the Chozo, but consumption of X led to mutatgenic evolutions that screwed that up.
Personally, the X are an inherently terrifying sort of enemy, so I'd love to see more of them later on. I've been waiting years to find out what happens after Fusion!
The planning and intelligence that the X had in Fusion tells me they wouldn't let a silly thing like a planet getting nuked stop them.
Vital Tundra
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You right!
I would love if Mother Brain returns in a sequel to Fusion and somewhere in the middle of the game (you kill her early) and her corps gets infected by an X. That would be very interesting
Yeah, but it changes the meaning of the relationship. It'd mean that the last Metroid didn't spare Samus in Super because it was its' mommy, but because it remembered she was part Chozo (I assume it becoming bigger meant that it was mutating to some degree, unnaturally).
It just makes me think something about that Chozo in particular. The Arm Cannon was definitely cloaked in prior screens.
I am unsure if we can separate Samus from the X at this point either, absorbing the SA-X caused her to mutate (probably in ways similar to, seemingly, metroids mutating when adsorbing the X). If she's part metroid, she's probably some part mutation-driven X as well.
That said, nothing escaped the research facility and Samus blew the entire planet up, not really much room for X spreading from there. Metroid could, in theory, be cloned *from* Samus though.
Zero Mission already canonized Old Bird to some extent would also likely extended to Grey Voice, though he's been given a bit of a work-over in Zero Mission to look more like the warrior chozo.
Not sure she really needs any ties to these new/old Chozo or splinter faction (if it turns into that). She's enough motivation in fighting them in that they would be against everything she was raised to be/to believe by Old Bird. This faction would be, in effect, what Mother Brain was trying to be under the mantle of the Chozo legacy and Samus already has enough ties to Mother Brain for this exact reason.
Well, if you're going down that path, one might assume this evil Chozo was involved with Samus somehow. How? I dunno. The Metroid lifecycle idea makes me think somebody got smacked for not thinking of it sooner
LegendofLex
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the problem isn't that well-meaning people would suddenly become unreasonable toward her
it's that there's an evil faction within the Federation that will view her as a threat and use the levers of power to eliminate her, and that it would take a herculean effort from well-meaning people to stop that faction from trying to get its way
efyu_lemonardo
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I'd be down for this!
Hilariously, I started writing a Metroid fanfic (I know >_<) a while back where the main antagonist was an old Chozo warrior who looked down on the modern peaceful direction of the civilization and their choice of Samus as a successor.
And now it turns out there's a Chozo warrior who murdered the peaceful scientist Chozo we're familiar with. Heh. Granted, "an evil Chozo" is not the most original idea out there.
And now it turns out there's a Chozo warrior who murdered the peaceful scientist Chozo we're familiar with. Heh. Granted, "an evil Chozo" is not the most original idea out there.
I meant the Chozo were imprinting on their Metroids the same way that Samus was, not that you have to be part Chozo to imprint on a Metroid.
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