Boss Doggie
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Metroid: Samus Returns' Ending Teases the Future of Metroid (MASSIVE SPOILERS)
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That's the funny part, since now *this* would be the first time Ridley came back from the dead (depending on whether or not Sakamoto's considering the Prime games, which are supposed to be between Metroid and Metroid II), which officially makes her reaction in Other M redundant (if Super Metroid didn't already).
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Why would Samus fuck around with Ridley? This game is before Other M. Samus doesn't have the same "Oh my God why isn't this thing I've killed half a dozen times still coming after me" terror she does in Other M.
Yep.
And Samus is seen sitting with what looks like a Chozo in one of Zero Mission's endings.
Giolon
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Regarding the 2nd image, I don't think that it's X parasites that are being extracted. It looks like Aeion energy to me (note that what you see are spheres identical to the Aeion energy dropped by enemies in the game, rather than the amorphous blobs that are the X). I interpreted this and the next image as the Chozo learning to capture and utilize Aeon energy, using it to power the robots seen around SR388.
It's not until the 4th image that the X parasites show up.
To anyone thinking Ridley is a pushover in SR from watching the video in the OP, note that I died at least a half dozen or more times to Ridley. I had about 2/3 of all the powerups when I fought him and I couldn't survive more than 3 or 4 hits from him for the entire multiphase battle. When the baby Metroid gave me some energy back during later phases, they would only give me a single hit of safety each.
Ridley here is no joke. I can't imagine how on point I'm going to have to be for Hard/Fusion modes.
It's not until the 4th image that the X parasites show up.
To anyone thinking Ridley is a pushover in SR from watching the video in the OP, note that I died at least a half dozen or more times to Ridley. I had about 2/3 of all the powerups when I fought him and I couldn't survive more than 3 or 4 hits from him for the entire multiphase battle. When the baby Metroid gave me some energy back during later phases, they would only give me a single hit of safety each.
Ridley here is no joke. I can't imagine how on point I'm going to have to be for Hard/Fusion modes.
Wut
I don't think there are any clear pictures of an adult Samus with Old Bird or any Chozo. There's the various pictures of her with Old Bird through her youth/growing up, and the one off picture of Old Bird and the warrior Chozo who is probably a reinvention/renovation of Grey Voice (since he doesn't specifically ever show up beyond the manga). So its fully possible that the old bird (hehehe) passed on eventually since Samus is of an entirely unknown age but certainly much older than she was when Old Bird was, well, very old.
That said, he is still possibly one of the few Chozo left that is known to the Federation in any open capacity. Otherwise, the Chozo are generally considered near-mythical, particularly in their prime. Of the great races, nothing is really left. The Luminoth were all but wiped out by Phazon, Bryyonians wiped themselves out over religious zealotry, and the Alimbics were wiped out by Gorea and the last remnants of their civilization is eight old dudes in some horcruxes.
I would say that Samus Returns fairly rigidly strikes Other M from the canon, more than any thing. Because Ridley is nothing at all like Other M's but follows much more in line with the Prime renditions of the otherwise 2D presentation. Its possible that Sakamato has himself simply decided it is not worth incorporating Other M and put it aside in its entirety.
Also Baby and Samus' connection to it are not presented as one would think they would have been to follow Other M. Not a word is echoed, and Samus doesn't shout "BABY!" during the final battle. Samus Returns' Samus and the presentation of her Other M just don't match any more, she just gives zero shits when she bops Diggernaught.
He's not immortal, he's dead in Fusion. I think he's technically dead fully as of the end of Super Metroid.
Yeah, Ridley's a hard asshole in this game. His attacks are predictable, but he hits so hard, and he has a nasty habit of pushing you towards the corner of the stage where you'll easily bump into him.
Boss Doggie
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what if we get to see a "rival" of sorts that is not Sylux, but rather a Chozo who uses a suit similar to Samus?
Smelter DemonCould you imagine a Dark Souls where the bosses damage you if you touch them?
I was actually thinking the opposite. Samus Returns actually shows how Samus cares about the baby Metroid and bonds with it, which kinda explains why she was so obsessed with its death Other M.
That would be the third of Samus's rivals to use a suit similar to Samus. And people were already complaining about the second.
At least Sylux has those bitchin' trip wire bombs.
She keeps it safe, but no extremes of emotion. I don't think that's ever been in question and was established as far back as Super Metroid and later Fusion, really.
The bigger contention against Other M is Ridley's appearance. (And again, she bops Diggernaught with zero-fucks-given.)
She has a few, no? Sylux, Rundas, and even Ghor all have "power suits" of some capacity. Sylux's stolen fed tech (ie. crap compared to Samus), Rundas has at least the PED suit, and Ghor has the external power armor/mecha.
Oh and Dark Samus and SA-X.
Ridley's appearance changes literally every game.
Ridley's appearance changes literally every game.
When he's had any decent fidelity to actually *see* him with any clarity? Nah. He's more or less the same design from Zero Mission on through Prime into, now, Samus Returns. Its just Other M that sticks out (and the Smash game renditions).
Other M is a huge outlier on his design.
Lord_Byron28
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Well Other M Ridley is a clone of some sort of the original one. That's the excuse they can use for the different appearance in that game.
TheDinoman
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To be honest, if Ridley was ever given a full speaking voice, I kinda imagine him sounding like Charlie Adler's performance as Starscream in the second and third Micheal Bay Transformers films.
Kain-Nosgoth
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i really hope they'll work on new games after that... we really don't need a fusion remake, the original is already good, it aged pretty well
playing it in 3D and 30 FPS would be a downgrade to me
beside that, the lore expension is fucking sweet, would be great if chozos will be the main ennemy of the next game!
playing it in 3D and 30 FPS would be a downgrade to me
beside that, the lore expension is fucking sweet, would be great if chozos will be the main ennemy of the next game!
Green Mamba
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This looks like it could be a Chozo.
I can't stop hearing him as Slowbeef and Diabetus.
This looks like it could be a Chozo.
I can't stop hearing him as Slowbeef and Diabetus.
I always thought this is a black market where Samus can get some information she needs,
since she is a bounty hunter.
blu
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Are you suggesting those Chozo ghosts on Talon IV were all.. dated?
"Evil Chozo" as a concept you could base a Metroid game around is so far ahead of any of the federation garbage they tried to cook up for Prime 3, Other M and Fed Force. And I like it a lot more than the 'Dark Samus' nonsense of Prime 2 and 3 as well. This bodes well.
My big problem with the Chozo is that they're this ancient, long-lost, 'Forerunner'-like presence in the galaxy with ruins everywhere... but they raised Samus just about 15 years ago. I can never square that in my mind. Was she raised by the last ones or something?
My big problem with the Chozo is that they're this ancient, long-lost, 'Forerunner'-like presence in the galaxy with ruins everywhere... but they raised Samus just about 15 years ago. I can never square that in my mind. Was she raised by the last ones or something?
Dark Samus isn't the main antagonist of Prime 2. The majority of the game is about fighting the Ing, with Dark Samus just hounding you as you try to do your job again and again until the very end.
I really don't understand why anyone would have a problem with Dark Samus in Prime 2. Her boss fights are incredible and her encounters outside boss fights are ominous and well-executed. She's not the main focus of the game, just one of many great elements of what is secretly one of the best
games ever.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Well, that's certainly a way to energize the series.
Dark Samus is clearly the main antagonist of Prime 2. She's the one who causes Samus to lose all her upgrades at the start of the game, she hounds you throughout the game at certain cutscenes and she's the final boss. There is no other individual you could conceivably say is the antagonist. The Ing v Luminoth war is the setting for the game and what Samus is trying to put right and as such the Ing are broadly antagonists, but they are just faceless fodder. There is no main Ing warrior you are particularly after throughout the game - no Ing equivalent to the Luminoth U-Mos. Her personal battle is with Dark Samus and that's the story of the game and the trilogy as a whole.
Also, Prime 2 is the weakest of the Prime series for a multitude of reasons, one of which is how poor the Dark Samus boss fights are. In a game with some great boss fights that stands out. And as a concept it's just a much lamer take on the SA-X. 'Dark Samus' sounds like a comic book villain rather than something Metroid Prime would have feasibly turned into. I was never a fan.
I'm really hoping they move on from the Metroid Prime / Dark Samus entity. The title of the game has me worried but I'm pretty sure it's just a way to signify that the game is a 1st person shooter/adventure.
This Ridley fight is so easy to cheese though. You can just space jump to the top of the screen and spam plasma beam on the way down and Ridley spends so much time chasing you that he barely attacks. It was a bit disappointing to see how exploitable the fight was.
blu
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Disagreed. The main antagonist in Echoes is Dark Aether. Dark Samus is just a skeleton in Samus' closet, though perhaps _the_ skeleton. The really well-executed thing about Dark Samus is its progression throughout the series - from a cliff-hanger in Prime, to an actual (clumsy but fast-learning) foe in Echoes, to _the_ antagonist in Corruption.
You're starting off the wrong foot that DS is _the_ enemy in Echoes ; ) Try to change your perspective and you'll see Echoes in all its grandeur of the series' pinnacle.
Don't worry - Dark Samus is gone. There are much more 'resilient' anti-climactic recurring villains in the Metroid Universe..
TheDinoman
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You don't have to worry. According to Tanabe:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-06-17-next-proper-metroid-prime-would-likely-now-be-on-nx
Sylux's coming in to fill in her shoes.
No, Dark Samus and the Ing are the ones who take your upgrades.
Which shows how both are important in Echoes' narrative. The final boss isn't just Dark Samus... It's first a grand battle against the greatest of the Ing to end the war, then a smaller battle against Dark Samus as the Ing's Dark World is collapsing around you. She's an opportunist capitalizing on the greater events.
What's bad about them? They're unique and nicely compliment the more slow, puzzle-like bosses in the rest of Echoes. The elevator battle particularly is one of the most memorable in the game.
It fits perfectly in a game about traversing light and dark worlds.
In concept, the SA-X is cool. In execution, it's a few scripted encounters, a lackluster boss, and a bizarre reference to the baby Metroid in Super Metroid's final boss battle. Also the hilariously abrupt and pointless reveal that there are 10 of them.
In concept, Dark Samus is meh, because the concept was done before in Fusion. In execution, it's a few scripted encounters, two great boss fights, and a flawed but satisfying final boss.
I've never played a Metroid game before, but I was curious so I clicked on this thread. I never realized the story of these games was so deep... Which one should I play first? Zero Mission appears to be a remake of the first one, eliminating the need to replay the NES one, but should I play Super or Zero Mission first? How are the GCN games on Dolphin? Can you play 3 through emulation without a Wiimote?
Triforce141
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Start with Fusion or Zero Mission first as they're the most accessible 2D entries
Then go through Super, Samus Returns and the Prime Trilogy
Dolphin plays the Gamecube versions of Prime 1+2 fine enough, but you might need a beefier PC to get 3 running smooth
balladofwindfishes
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So I just beat the game
Is Ridley's design in the game supposed to officially bridge the gap between Metroid Prime and Metroid II? Ridley is half meta, half organic.
Is Ridley's design in the game supposed to officially bridge the gap between Metroid Prime and Metroid II? Ridley is half meta, half organic.
It sure seems like it. He uses the Prime sound effects too.
balladofwindfishes
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The Ridley fight seemed like an apology for Other M's Ridley. Samus seems kind of annoyed that Ridley is alive again, and charges head first into battle with him. There's no hesitation or second guessing from her.
They should name the bad guy "Chozo Bozo" and make him a clown, and Samus has PTSD about clowns because of a disastrous birthday party she had as a kid where the clown put out her candles with his watergun disguised as a flower, and when Samus sees Chozo Bozo she freezes up and says, "The party... The party... The party!"
Other M would have been a lot better if Samus maintained "kind of annoyed" through the whole game.
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