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Excitement for Busters 2 is at nadir right now. Preorders at most retailers almost don't exist. Sukiyaki showed a recovery for Yo-kai Watch after Sushi / Tempura but things for this entry could not turn out well.
Last year Sukiyaki was helped from Sun / Moon release maybe Level 5 is lucky and Busters 2 will be helped from Ultra Sun / Ultra Moon this time.
Last year Sukiyaki was helped from Sun / Moon release maybe Level 5 is lucky and Busters 2 will be helped from Ultra Sun / Ultra Moon this time.
D.Lo
Member
Fair call on the terminology. But I think everyone agrees the game is clearly a play at the west at the expense of the series' main Japanese audience?
I posted them in the Splatoon thread and nobody gave a shit, too busy complaining about teammates lol
Except Sega has announced Chinese localization of Puyo Puyo Tetris and Disgaea 5 Complete on Dec 1 (via patch)
Actually Nights of Azure 2 Switch Chinese version has appeared in distributor ordering form. It should release along with PS4 and PSV versions.
TheLegendaryN
Member
It's such a shame that Level-5 is so bad at brand management...
What does that have to do with KT's choice not to release Atelier over there?
BrokenJohnCena
Member
classic comments from shooter players,always blame your teammates
KT only announced Nights of Azure 2 Chinese for PS4 and PSV. People only found out the Switch version from local game shop as they receive the order form from distributor.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Meant to ask this, how is the response in Japan towards MHW?
First day preorders are seemingly higher than DQXI PS4, comg opened at 22 after the first day (don't know how that compares).
frankie_baby
Member
Less than what mario odyssey did though
Sure, but Odyssey would launch in 1.5 months instead of 4.5 months.
frankie_baby
Member
True but i wouldve thought monhun would be a game more likely to be pre order heavy
To compare (edited for correctness):
(Source: http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~taku64/cong/1704.html)
The game had initial preorders before the event on April 11th (10 points), then had a few extra the day after (see above), and after that started to grow faster (growing 52 points in 4 days, from April 13th through April 16th).
So, DQXI PS4 had 18 preorders at Comg, 3.5 months before release. It finished at 1179 points for its first week of sales, in the end. In the 2 months leading up to launch, it kept a steady pace of about 10 or more points a day, so we can slightly compare the trajectory it took with the one MHW will take in the coming months. Fun stuff!
(Source: http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~taku64/cong/1704.html)
The game had initial preorders before the event on April 11th (10 points), then had a few extra the day after (see above), and after that started to grow faster (growing 52 points in 4 days, from April 13th through April 16th).
So, DQXI PS4 had 18 preorders at Comg, 3.5 months before release. It finished at 1179 points for its first week of sales, in the end. In the 2 months leading up to launch, it kept a steady pace of about 10 or more points a day, so we can slightly compare the trajectory it took with the one MHW will take in the coming months. Fun stuff!
Nah, there's generally a few announcements here and there during the public days, but not expecting anything major (generally it's stuff for already announced games, at least as far as I can remember).
There's the Ace Attorney stage show, so there's bound to be something at least. If we're lucky, we'll get a Switch tease, but I'm not too hopeful tbh.
Laplasakos
Member
I think that COMG started taking pre orders for DQXI some days before the announcement of the release date, so it didn't open with 48p.
TheLegendaryN
Member
Ah, that's interesting. Still weird that they didn't include it in the announcement...
You're right, I was misled by the listing in the source I used because of the name change after the event. Edited my post for full correctness.
Laplasakos
Member
No problem, thanks for posting the actual number! I was searching too last night in order to compare it with DQXI but it was late and gave up.
I agree on both parts.
The last couple months have just shown us again how slow the suits who a running the Jpn publishers are when it comes to embracing new consoles.
I mean look at Konami... They had success with Bomberman, where is the follow up? Yu-Gi-Oh? Power Pro? Pro Evo? Or just porting the MGS collection to Switch? I mean they porter MGS2 to the Shield lol. It's all politics over there when it comes to announcements lol.
Disclaimer:
Yeah this will come off as an excuse to some. But one thing that I sure for me when it comes to Switch that Nintendo is working much tighter with all their partners to optimize the release schedule. They def. did get the memo to not talk/announce Switch games that won't be out by this Holiday season.
I think once those season is over post December we will have a couple of new games unveiled in a Direct that will focus on the final releases of this fiscal year.
Tales of/Bayo1+2/whatever Ubi has still planned for this year... They will want to keep the momentum going 2018 and will need software releases every week for that.
Laplasakos
Member
Speaking of Konami, i thought they were going to announce Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball 2018 but nothing happened...
TheLegendaryN
Member
Looks like that's the sad truth yeah...
I'd love to play MGS and PowerPro on Switch. I think the only company fully utilising the Switch's potential for ports is Koei Tecmo, while they're bringing new games to the system too (Nights of Azure 2, Nobunaga no Yabou: Taishi, Atelier Lydie & Suelle, etc).
Well, they seem to be a skipping a year again, since that worked pretty well for 2016 iirc. Gonna assume next one will be out in April 2018.
The only thing that might piss Japanese gamers off is the lack of offline co-op. Monster Hunter became a cultural phenomenon thanks to local gameplay, and this was still pretty huge on 3DS. This is something that might also cut legs (on top of the low installed base); World will start very strong, as expected by the type of audience, but the real question is where it will land. It can have a 1.1-1.2m first week, and not reaching 2m units. Legs are helped by a more causal and kid-oriented audience, which tend to work through word-of-mouth (less true for an established franchise, though, but PS4 has yet to reach this audience).
Further, Monster Hunter: World must strike a balance between Japanese and Western tastes in order to succeed worldwide (i.e., to sell 4m+ units). Right now, it seems a more traditional Monster Hunter game, which is totally fine, but how will Western gamers respond to that? It's not a graphical showcase, and the gameplay is still very peculiar and less fast-paced than other action games, so it might be hard to sell it outside the usual fanbase.
In my opinion, Monster Hunter: World will breakout on PC. On consoles, it will sell well, but below 3DS entries; the loss in Japanese sales will not be covered by the increase in Western sales, or just covered.
Further, Monster Hunter: World must strike a balance between Japanese and Western tastes in order to succeed worldwide (i.e., to sell 4m+ units). Right now, it seems a more traditional Monster Hunter game, which is totally fine, but how will Western gamers respond to that? It's not a graphical showcase, and the gameplay is still very peculiar and less fast-paced than other action games, so it might be hard to sell it outside the usual fanbase.
In my opinion, Monster Hunter: World will breakout on PC. On consoles, it will sell well, but below 3DS entries; the loss in Japanese sales will not be covered by the increase in Western sales, or just covered.
TheLegendaryN
Member
Yeah, April 2018 is most likely. It's pointless to announce it already, because it doesn't need a long marketing cycle. Even though they did announce 'a new installment in the Jikkyou Powerful Pro Yakyuu series' at TGS 2015 (link), they didn't fully reveal the game until January 2016 (link). I expect they'll release the new game around January next year for that reason. They have no reason to announce it earlier.
Yes I'd say right now (4 months out from release) this matches up pretty well with my thoughts. Its clearly being very well received in Japan and I think it will have a great first week. I don't expect the portable legs for the reasons you've indicated.
And I also am not seeing a ton of evidence yet its going to break out in the West in a big way. Its a lot tougher market and the changes IMO do not seem to have really done that much to differentiate it from the earlier games (although on the other hand I think it does better in Japan than I first thought!).
Laplasakos
Member
Gotdatmoney
Member
Monster Hunter World is gonna do well in the west. Better tham the 3DS installments easily. Yall tripping.
Eolz
Member
I don't believe it'll do that well on PC (it'll do better than on X1 though), but yeah, lack of local coop will definitely cut its legs in Japan.
Marketing will kill it or make it in the west.
edit:
If we don't count PC, which will release months later, and don't start believing that the X1 version will be some success when there's no audience for japanese games there, I don't think so far it can do more this FY than the 1.5M that MH4U pushed in the west. By fall 2018, it's definitely possible to go to 2M, but it's still going to need some work from Capcom.
There's nothing right now showing this game being some 3M+ seller there, aka more than Souls games.
Another interesting thing is to see how Capcom will deal with the traditional expanded version. This would be much harder to sell in the West, where a DLC expansion seems more appropriate. On 3DS, Capcom didn't sell 4m units of Monster Hunter 4, but 8m+ considering the Ultimate version (at full price). A DLC expansion is not typically sold at full price, though. Maybe Monster Hunter World will see a more traditional DLC path instead of a revised version?
Further, it will be interesting to see how much contents the game has. Japanese gamers are used to large games in terms of contents, and they might reject World if it doesn't have enough monsters, weapons or areas. I have the feeling World will not have a large monster roster.
Given Capcom marketing efforts, it would be really, really bad if they cannot improve over 3DS numbers in Western markets; PS4+Xbox One is also a much healthier market for third parties than how 3DS ever was. This is basically 2018 main Capcom product: worldwide release, huge presence across gaming exhibitions, massive marketing push on social networks and YouTube: they are really betting on it.
Yeah. I kind of just assume its well received given how well many Western online titles have done but I admit to just guessing on that.
Still better than Tri which still needed a Monster Hunter only monthly sub fee.
Eolz
Member
I remember seeing something months ago about how it was working alright for Sony, just a lot less than in the west where most users have it.
The PS+ offerings in asia being better are precisely there to try to get more people to subscribe.
I don't remember seeing any opinions/views about it though, guess it's a "who cares" situation, and that japanese players are mostly playing single player games, which fits with SW sales information we know.
Gotdatmoney
Member
Why wouldn't we include PC :/
And the game will do better than people think on the Xbox One. Monster Hunter has always had the potential to break out in the west and this new title streamlining the shitty parts of the series and expanding the story section will help it bridge the gap. It's also on systems whose western sales dom't suck. It will cross 2.5m in the West.
Especially because Capcom puts their shit on sale all the time and that will help push units on fence sitters.
If it doesn't outsell MH4U western sales by a decent margin that's a failure imo. It will though so I'm not really concerned.
Eolz
Member
For PC, as said before, do you think it will release this FY (before March 31st)? As I was saying for my numbers, I really don't think it's the case sadly.
How much do you think the game will sell on X1? There's no audience for those games there, unlike the one that was cultivated on 360. There's also no crossplay on any platform, making it even less interesting to get it there when most people will get it on one of the two others.
Yes... a killer app indeed.
I almost want to buy the game now.
Don't fight it Samuel
Embrace it
Sony won
This might be a dumb question, but how will the December MH World Pro bundle be tracked in terms of software? You get a download code that isn't activated for a month and a half- I assume they're just tracked and then added for the actual release week?
Eolz
Member
How many were in stock? As much as the MHXXS bundle?
I don't think it will.
Jawbreaker
Member
No idea.
The same way DQH bundles were tracked. I believe they were simply added once the game released no?
Gotdatmoney
Member
If we are talking about FY no PC wont be out by then but I was talking total sales. 4U didn't cross sell its whole 1.5m in its first fiscal year.
In the West japanese games dont do well when they dont have any real western hook. Something like FF or Dark Souls pulls decent numbers. I expect MH will be similar. MH has an obvious Western appeal that most Japanese games lack. It's also a system with like 19m units sold in the US. Just on the basis of MH being the biggest release of January it will do alright.
The bar isn't really set high for the game to perform decent on X1. 500k is more than adequate to justify it.
The 3DS limited the series in the West honestly. But since the series is still a monster in Japan we know this never mattered. It's why if Capcom released XX in the West I expect the series would have seen a huge chunk of growth. Alas they suck.
Laplasakos
Member
Yeah, i guess. It's the same way as Dragon Quest Heroes. I believe Media Create included the bundle sales in the FW number.
BrokenJohnCena
Member
Tbf two best selling games on the switch right now both of them are multiplayer online GaaS games(MK8D and Splatoon 2)
Gotdatmoney
Member
How is Mario Kart 8D a Gaas? Like at all?
Splatoon is closer but you dont actually pay for anything so it makes the comparison murky.
BrokenJohnCena
Member
I assumed there will be free(or paid) upcoming dlcs for MK8D in order for it to sell well through out the switch life cycle.
Gotdatmoney
Member
As of right now there is nothing to saying its going to take that model. Calling ir GaaS right now is just flatout untrue
And do we consider any game that gets DLC or a season pass GaaS? Is Rabbids GaaS now as well?