lucebuce12
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F-Bombs in Star Trek just feels wrong.
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Star Trek: Discovery |OT| To Boldly Stream Where No One Has Streamed Before
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Doubt there will be many. It was a young cadet caught up in the moment of what they were doing, not picard standing on the bridge telling Q to fuck off.
It would be even weirder to establish that precedent and then never really use it again.
I say let the fucks fly from here on out. Swearing isn't swearing anymore, anyway.
It would be fun if they invented some new word that is considered the fuck of the future, and people act shocked whenever anybody says it.
Lorca: 'I don't give a fuck about these fhgwgads'
Saru: 'Sir, I don't appreciate that fucking language.'
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
I actualy do not and would be quite interested if you could give a small insight how the writing works. Because usually (and also in Discovery), there is something like "written by" and then just 1-2 names per episode, but what I gathered here seems more like a team job. So could you tell us a bit about how it works?
Also I have a few other questions (admittedly, as a very big Star Trek fan who is only lukewarm on this series so far, so I can understand especially well if you do not want to answer some or all of these) more directly related to the thing that always (almost exclusively) makes or brakes a Star Trek show for me, the writing. I have ordered them according to how important they are to me, so if you like to answer some but think it's too much overall, it would be great if you could start on top of the list
.1. Will we also see episodes that focus on the discussion of ethical problems in a similar way as e.g. "The worth of a man" (TNG), "In the Pale Moonlight" (DS9), but also (of lesser quality but going in the same direction) "Tuvix" (VOY) or "Dear Doctor" (ENT)? I get that the last episode had a tiny amount of that, but the issue was quite clear and there were no two sides to this.
2. Many previous Star Trek series, especially TNG put a huge focus on discussion as means of problem solving, where so far in Discovery (also due to the war setting and the rough captain, so it's not as problematic as in the new movies) shooting and killing were primarily chosen instead. Is this a general change of tone or can we expect the more thoughtful / discussion oriented "slower" Star Trek style to return?
3. Can we expect the enemies of the federation (here Klingons) to be portrayed in a more nuanced way further on? I get that it is difficult to give proper motives and to avoid black / white schemes, but Star Trek has often been very successful with this, in particular in Deep Space Nine, but also in parts Enterprise has invested (late!) into this. So far, I have only observed one a bit more nuanced view on the Klingons, in the first episode, where the danger of being swallowed up by the federation and having the own culture destroyed is brought up. Other than that it has been very grey / black (instead of white / black, because the federation itself acts quite questionable)
4. I have observed a change in the use of language when compared to previous Trek, with a much less formal language being used. Also outside of the one instance of "fuck", it seems more like contemporary "street speech" than the very clear and formal language in Star Trek TNG-ENT. Is this change deliberate and if yes, what is the reason for this?
5. Do you already have ideas for further seasons of the series? I have read that the Klingon war is only "good for one season". If yes (and I hope it's a yes! I do not want to go back into a world without new Trek on the horizon), will the series continue in the serialised way it has been so far, or would you prefer more stand alone episodes? Also: Would you like to continue the darker approach or is this just because of the war topic of the first season?
Spectromixer
Member
Well then haha
It doesn't exactly vindicate the writing room. You don't have to be a fan. It's a cop out. Researching material and being a fan are mutually exclusive.
Fan of what? Tardigrade the animal? The association of Tardigrades with space isn't that unique, this video has over 13 million views and predates both the game and Trek: First Animal to Survive in Space
We know they planned for it to be part of the crew but that didn't work out, and with the spore drive being a central plot line it's not exactly shocking they connected it with that.
The Tardigrade isn't even a central character of Disco, the way they travel is different in the game and Disco, and like I don't even know if we'll see the Tardigrade again in Trek.
What more do you want?
Himynameischris
Member
To discredit discovery as much as possible, it's annoying.
funkystudent
Member
People really ginning up reasons why dropping the F bomb sullys trek and makes it not for families anymore.
This is a franchise where Abraham Lincoln showed up once and called the first black crew member he sees the N word.
A franchise that has quite a lot of sex through the years
A franchise that has had who knows how many depictions of genocide and war.
Hearing the F word and explaining it to your kid seems pretty trivial in 2017 when you have countless other shit to explain to them.
This is a franchise where Abraham Lincoln showed up once and called the first black crew member he sees the N word.
A franchise that has quite a lot of sex through the years
A franchise that has had who knows how many depictions of genocide and war.
Hearing the F word and explaining it to your kid seems pretty trivial in 2017 when you have countless other shit to explain to them.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Is this happening a lot? I wouldn't have called Star Trek a family series either way, actually. A lot of the themes will not be understood by young children.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Well, there isn't any other point that Star Trek could've had swearing. Every other series has been either network TV or first run syndication. TV has evolved quite a bit since Enterprise, much less DS9 or TNG.
I'm sure the same conversation was had with the first interracial kiss on television on TOS.
The movies are a thing.
Spectromixer
Member
Katharine Trendacosta from i09 has posted another article about Discovery.
Serialized Television Has Become a Disease
More hyperbole, of course
Serialized Television Has Become a Disease
More hyperbole, of course
Himynameischris
Member
Reminds me of those people that complain about bands that try new things, why would you want more of the same always. As someone that plays music I would find it sooo boring and dull to stick to the same style year after year.
DS9 was good because it added those serialized parts, Voyager partially sucked because they kept resetting everything after each episode. Enterprise finally got good after they did an entire seasons serialized lost in that void.
Yeah sometimes trying new stuff doesn't work but at least give it a chance before you start shooting it down smh.
I think for me I am mostly happy that Star Trek Discovery is doing something relatively new and fresh with the Star Trek brand. They could have just as easily made a new TNG or DS9 but I think they simply wanted to do something a bit different.
Star Trek Discovery is far from perfect but I think if this show is afforded some time to develop over the course of a few seasons, it has the potential to become something really special.
Star Trek fans are rooted throughout different generations and so it's understandable that they all want something different. It would be impossible to please all Star Trek fans. I think Discovery plays a lot of homage to the original Roddenberry vision while also trying to do it's own thing and I for one welcome some of the risks they are taking.
I don't agree with every decision that the show has made but I am still enjoying it, paying for CBS All-Access and just watching the full story that they created slowly reveal itself.
Star Trek Discovery is far from perfect but I think if this show is afforded some time to develop over the course of a few seasons, it has the potential to become something really special.
Star Trek fans are rooted throughout different generations and so it's understandable that they all want something different. It would be impossible to please all Star Trek fans. I think Discovery plays a lot of homage to the original Roddenberry vision while also trying to do it's own thing and I for one welcome some of the risks they are taking.
I don't agree with every decision that the show has made but I am still enjoying it, paying for CBS All-Access and just watching the full story that they created slowly reveal itself.
Good lord she is terrible. She and Rob Bricken are poster children for the "sky is falling if a new series isn't perfect within two episodes" mentality.
TNG and DS9 both took 3 seasons to start hitting their stride; imagine if the modern whiny, hand-wringing, hot take blogosphere had been around then. TNG would have probably never lasted beyond season 2 and we possibly wouldn't have any modern Trek at all.
Don't know what is going to happen to the forum given what is going on now but its been fun talking about the new show with everyone. If it's still up I'll try to be here. If not I do post in the official discovery hashtag while watching the show and just in general at times. Avatar is the same.
The McFlurries are melting!
The McFlurries are melting!
Sent you a PM if you can reach it. If not then searching star trek messageboard should get you a good result. That's one of the places I check out.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
For boards, TrekBBS is probably one of the biggest.
Meus Renaissance
Member
Hello?
Flintty
Member
This is something that has been bugging me. Im not averse to some potty mouthing but it feels out of place in Star Trek.
Himynameischris
Member
Are you guys moving on to other boards? I won't be posting here much longer.
The Elite
BOSS
I am.
Master Thespian
Member
I hope to see you all Reset a new Era
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I missed talking Trek with you this past week but I'm pretty much just saying my goodbyes.
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I missed talking Trek with you this past week but I'm pretty much just saying my goodbyes.
Himynameischris
Member
Yes, the start of a new ERA,
hope to see you guys around,
hope to see you guys around,
H.M.M Arsenlol
Member
Is everyone going to new website, or are there other forums or discord that you are migrating to.
Feeling quite lost right now and could use some guidance
Feeling quite lost right now and could use some guidance
funkystudent
Member
If Trek GAF wants to beam this guy up get in touch.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
I hope Micheal's roommate dies soon.
Royal_Flush
Member
Most close communities had Discord servers set up where they hang out now. The collective plan seems to be to migrate to Reset.Era once it's up. If you have been part of one of those communities (this doesn't seem to have a Discord) you can send a signal there. You won't get lucky if you had no to little involvement since everybody is wary of 4chan infiltration rn. If you're not part of an established community just keep your ears open about Reset.Era. You could also try the waypoint (vice) forum in the meantime if you're really lost.
H.M.M Arsenlol
Member
Thank you very much for the help!
Doesn't seem like many of the community's I follow have discords so I'll check out the new site when it's live and hope they move over too.
See you on the other side
That's true. People forget how awful TNG series 1 and 2 were, and how lucky Trek fans are that we managed to get past it.
That said, we still ended up with Voyager.
Agent Gibbs
Member
For our Sins, although in fairness 50% of Voyager wasn't trash and quite good
If everyone is leaving I suppose this will be my last post in the TrekGaf threads;
This Week's Disco was brilliant, it managed to keep the urgency the series had whilst also doing the typical episode of the week idea.
The cast keep getting better and better
I can't believe Lorca chose to give up his lover/the admiral to the Klingons, just goes to show he is far from a typical Starfleet Captain, it feels very much like he fits more with Section 31's ruthlessness
onwards and upwards because this feels like the best first season of Star Trek in a long time
Son of Flounder
Member
What is the picture quality like for those of you watching on CBS All Access? I'm watching it on Netflix (UK) and the scenes onboard the Discovery seem too dark with artificial film grain and sharpness added. Other scenes like the exterior of Vulcan on the last episode look pretty good though.
dyreschlock
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ManDudeChild
Member
Likewise... I would to keep up with everything in the new place.
I too wish to go to the other side, but dont have the ability *COUGH*.
FutureLarking
Member
The film grain is weird, it's fecking coloured specs everywhere and not like normal film grain. It's horrible for the picture quality and I have no idea why it's added
Son of Flounder
Member
I know some film makers like to add film grain to stuff filmed digitally because it looks too "clean", but they have gone way too far in Discovery, it looks really rough and unpleasant to me. Almost as bad as watching an old DVD on a large Full HD or 4K TV.
I've not noticed it TBH. I do remember the first episode had a weird colour issue for the first 20 minutes or so on Netflix UK.