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So you want me to go out and publicly shame my former friends for missreading my signals. Even though they accepted my no?

You're 100% are not understanding the purpose of the story and hashtag. It was about sharing experiences so others can open up. She posted it to her private facebook, and then her friends shared it out. She said in the waypoint interview she never intended for this to blow up into something more.
 

Chille

Member
Sick of all these people posting crap about how they don't want to be here, if you don't want to be here just fuck off and chat elsewhere.
 

w0s

Member
Sexual assault is not hand eye coordination, it's not an accidental mistake like dropping a pencil, it doesn't take some kind of virtuous hero to not sexually assault and be against sexual assault and quite frankly the idea that it might is a clear indication of your idea of how hard it is to "control" these things that you conisder natural human behavior

I don't think you understand my post at all but go on continue to tell me how and what to rage at in every instance (you know don't pickup a hat in time because one person voice acting in it is a racist, or don't play this game because a woman is too scantily clad, etc etc). Of course I would never be for sexual assault. I'm talking about the overall tone in this place on every social issue.
 

Go_Ly_Dow

Member
I'm not defending EL or anyone who sexually harassed but holy shit am I sick and tired of all you perfect people. Oh I'm cognizant of this, I realize that, I know every PC way to behave in the book, and people need to burn if they are on board with this. It must be nice for most of you to be so perfect. To understand every social issue in depth and formed a strong opinion that then is projected on others.

I find this place is better most of the time to find issues to rage about then it is to enjoy discussing games. You people must be seriously taxing on those around you.

Projecting a self righteous moral compass on the internet through a keyboard is easier than actually going out into the world and making a difference. Most of these extreme social justice advocates don't really give solutions. They just like to shout at what they see as a problem through their morally outraged perception.
 

Drifters

Junior Member
GAF shows Google how a unfiltered life on the internet is a bit more complex than originally thought.

CryptoGAF, PM me any info if you’re still around.
 
Why is NeoGAF the place to post that information - this is a video game forum.

As helpful as it can be, GAF shouldn't be the resource anyone comes to for that information.
 

Lyng

Member
You're 100% are not understanding the purpose of the story and hashtag. It was about sharing experiences so others can open up. She posted it to her private facebook, and then her friends shared it out. She said in the waypoint interview she never intended for this to blow up into something more.

Ah sorry I missed that part of the article. In that case she did good and I will shut up :)
 

tr4nce 26

Banned
No responsibility, no humility shown, just flat out pride being displayed in that statement.

Disappointing to say the least. We all make mistakes, everyone deserves a second chance, but you still gotta own your part.
 

w0s

Member
Projecting a self righteous moral compass on the internet through a keyboard is easier than actually going out into the world and making a difference. Most of these extreme social justice advocates don't really give solutions. They just like to shout at what they see as a problem through their morally outraged perception.

five.fucking.stars.
 

Kyzer

Banned
I don't think you understand my post at all but go on continue to tell me how and what to rage at in every instance (you know don't pickup a hat in time because one person voice acting in it is a racist, or don't play this game because a woman is too scantily clad, etc etc). Of course I would never be for sexual assault. I'm talking about the overall tone in this place on every social issue.

Who are you even talking to? You understand a forum is made up of people all over the world right? On the internet? There is no organization of people trying to tell you what to be mad about , you are literally lumping random unrelated people together with your own reaction to their postings.
 
Come on now Neogaf a gaming forum not a place for abused women to meet up. People on here still overreacting, genuinely maybe take a break from the internet.

Guess where all that discussion used to take place? Also why would you care where abused women meet up? Surely they have every right to meet up on a gaming forum?
 
This thread is fine I'm talking about the individual threads people keep making. I agree that there has to be complaints but I would rather it stay in one location.

Make sure you take a ticket and fill out your complaint card on the table, please do not talk to the event organizers.

I saw them get banned too...

They were 100% banned and the thread was locked. Someone is back-peddling now realizing what they've started.

I'd love to see the moderation logs of what is going on....
 
Come on now Neogaf a gaming forum not a place for abused women to meet up. People on here still overreacting, genuinely maybe take a break from the internet.

What are you even talking about? GAF was once the forefront of the anti-gamergate movement. Now you're trying your best mental gymnastics to excuse sexual abuse.
 

br3wnor

Member
I've been here since 2005. I've lurked here long before that. I guess GAF was sort of my safe space and I used it as a crutch in some ways too. Sorry to disappoint some people, but I'm not going anywhere.

GAF is GAF's users, and if the site can take a turn for the better then that's great and I'm all for it. I'll try to be a part of that change.

I'm also pretty ignorant, it takes me a while to figure stuff out. So as of now I'm riding this storm out for a bit to see what happens. I'm simply not going to knee jerk react to this ordeal. A portion of my life was invested here. If you feel betrayed or hurt by what has happened, and leaving is your next step, then you have my sympathy. I'm concerned, confused, a little torn, and anxious myself. I have my own thoughts, and beliefs until proven otherwise, on the matter.

In my opinion, If the majority here truly feel the owner isn't the right person to run the site, instead of shutting it down or jumping ship, why not demand a new owner? Or maybe an appointed overseer or something? I just find it odd so many people want to see gaf nuked over allegations that are just that, allegations.

Well money is part of it. Evillore owns the site, he’s not likely to get a return right now that would justify him selling it, so w/out him footing the bill for the servers (from his return on advertising revenue of course) I don’t see how a scenario exists where he’s not running the site.

I’ve been on GAF for a number of years now, it is far and away the best gaming forum I’ve ever run into (2000-2006 IGN Boards were pretty dope as well, but no GAF) I also really enjoyed OT and to be honest cycled all my major gaming/current events/political news through GAF. Granted, I had no problem w/ the modding because I’m a pretty liberal person and the site definitely aligns w/ my political slant, but I do understand why some people were upset w/ how it was done.

The thing that I most liked about GAF was how it pretty much purged the GG crowd. It also had a really tight lockdown on shit posting.

I have doubts that GAF can retain the feel it’s had all these years as many posters have decided to leave, but I’m hopeful that even if it’s just for gaming discussion, that the community can survive and continue to have the best message board conversations I’ve ever found on the web.
 
So you want me to go out and publicly shame my former friends for missreading my signals. Even though they accepted my no?

MALKA NEVER SAID HE MISREAD THE SIGNALS!

All he said was that she's mentally unstable.

If he said he misread the signals it would be so much more honest.
 

ExVicis

Member
To everyone suddenly asking why she left the door open if she didn't want Evilore on her ass:

Are we forgetting the fact that the woman was vomiting all over the place?

Gee, I know when I'm in physical distress, I act with perfect rationality.

Fuck out of here.

Also very and most clearly drunk. No one in that state thinks about closing the door. Even in my most lucid drunk states I experienced I've had issues with my own bathroom door just for normal restroom trips. God help me if it was an emergency like vomiting.

The door ajar "defense" is a bullshit defense and doesn't cut it. It being partially open is not an giving consent for anything. I also seriously hope some of you don't see that shit as being given consent either or you have some serious problems.
 

Chille

Member
Make sure you take a ticket and fill out your complaint card on the table, please do not talk to the event organizers.



They were 100% banned and the thread was locked. Someone is back-peddling now realizing what they've started.

I'd love to see the moderation logs of what is going on....


I would but looks like the cards are gone :(
 

dpunk3

Member
As for the allegations, I don’t know how to feel. I obviously don’t want to minimize the victim but this is also one allegation, and I’m not ready to pass full judgment until the dust settles.

No, it isn't. This is the third, which why would you defend someone after one allegation of sexual assault anyway?
 
Then you're contradicting yourself. Either he didn't do anything wrong and she is unstable as I've seen you argue before, or neither of them are unstable and it's fucked up to suggest that from either of them, at which point he is still accused of sexual assault from a sane, normal person with no reason to doubt her claim as she gets nothing from it.

Pick a side and stick to it.

I think he was agreeing with me that its sick of Malka to say shes mentally unstable. Think you got yoir posters twisted.
 
So I haven't looked into any of Evilore's past controversies, and haven't read much about this latest one.

With that said, here is the question that comes to my mind: how is this (or any of the past controversies) any of our business?

Sure, he is the owner (founder?) of the Neogaf message board, but why does his personal life matter at all to the functionality of the Neogaf board?

Someone mentioned him being like the CEO of a company and how the members of that company wouldn't be able to tolerate some terrible issues that he CEO had --- he'd need to be replaced.

Neogaf isn't a company. It's just a gathering place for a vast community. Evilore isn't the leader of the community. The community members are all self-autonomous members who come to the center and participate as they please. Evilore just owns the community center. Sure, he has the right to set the rules and nuke the threads that he finds controversial, even if those threads are related to him personally and potential serious allegations.

What does that matter? Why burn down the community center and/or leave the community just because the owner of that community center is up on charges? It's not the owner that constitutes the quality of the community center or the community. It is the overall discourse and interactions between the community members after they gather within the community center.

Sure, community members have a right to voice their opinions on the community center owner's allegations, and the owner has the right to shut down those conversations and kick out those whose opinions he doesn't like. It's then the right of the rest of the community members to voice their concern and disapproval of such actions.

Personally, I can't believe that the OT and OT Community has been nuked due to this issue and I can't even believe that so many community members are choosing to take Evilore's allegations so personally to the point of leaving/suicide-banning etc. Is that really worth it?

Frankly, I don't think it's any of our business, regardless of how serious the allegations are. If he doesn't want it discussed, then so be it. It's a personal issue and only personal issues that community members want to discuss should be privy to discussion. If they request that it not be discussed, then we all should respect that request.

Please restore Neogaf to its original form with OT / OT Community in full form, free to discuss politics etc.

Please stop discussing this highly personal issue that Evilore has made clear he does not want discussed.

Let's salvage what we can of the community center that was built over so many years and bring back as much of the community as possible that made it so special.
 

Saganator

Member
MALKA NEVER SAID HE MISREAD THE SIGNALS!

All he said was that she's mentally unstable.

If he said he misread the signals it would be so much more honest.

Not sure if people are overlooking this on purpose or they just don't get it. EL's own statements, made over the weekend and on this very thread, basically turned a small fire into a raging inferno.
 

Old Empire.

Member
Guess where all that discussion used to take place? Also why would you care where abused women meet up? Surely they have every right to meet up on a gaming forum?

I would not blame Neogaf for doing it. You guys are still accusing Tyler Malka of wrongdoing even though the evidence clearly showing she never thought this was a big deal as she jumped into bed with him and had sex with him. Neogaf does want trolling to continue, don't blame them. When he truly does something evil talk about it.
 

dpunk3

Member
I think he was agreeing with me that its sick of Malka to say shes mentally unstable. Think you got yoir posters twisted.

Yea I said before I got em mixed up with someone he responded to and apologized.

Hey Evilore, take notes? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 

Saganator

Member
I would not blame Neogaf for doing it. You guys are still accusing Tyler Malka of wrongdoing even though the evidence clearly showing she never thought this was a big deal as she jumped into bed with him and had sex with him. Neogaf does want trolling to continue, don't blame them. When he truly does something evil talk about it.

Stop ignoring all the posts from people saying it was EL's handling of the situation that makes them not want to be here anymore. If he had handled this like a decent normal fucking person, this would not be as bad as it is.
 

SOME-MIST

Member
Your crossfit box has so few single stall showers that you need to double up? Like, inches from one another? While one person is loudly vomiting? Who's jumpin' in the shower with the puking person?

We're not talking about some group shower built for multiple people here, that's nowhere near an equivalent to a fucking hotel shower. Come on man.

easy there tiger... the human body is a beautiful thing and I'm not sure how this particular situation can be construed as assault.

Is it such a big deal because of the implication of the act? Or because she didn't want her naked body to be seen?

Sure it's weird and I most definitely wouldn't have the balls to do it, but didn't he abide by her nonconsent?
 

ExVicis

Member
The Hitler and Stalin was just a methafor but if you wish to test someone's moral, give him power.
Basically what I said earlier on, everyone needs to calm the fuck down. It's shitty that the Off-Topic forum is gone but someone being draconian on a forum doesn't make them automatically Hitler. In a world where real Nazis are showing up more and more saying that kind of shit just looks dumb.
 
Not just the owner. Baffeling amount of users who now openly advocate to disregard a possible victim of sexual assault, despite Evilore's demeanor and history, because they just want to talk about Games. Can you imagine this in the NeoGAF of two weeks ago?

This is a problem though...There is very little to go on at the moment except the word of two people involved in the incident. I find the hysteria here rather off putting. If he was genuinely predatory then that is disgusting, but unless more circumstantial or direct evidence arises, there is no possibility of making a fair judgement at the moment. This is nothing like the situation with people like Weinstein, Crosby or Trump yet - leaving aside the severity, I am refering to the circumstantial evidence. The situation in Madrid was an assault of sorts and something that is common in any club you go to where people get drunk and men become idiots.

I also think that Evilore is not the only figure coming out of this looking damaged...
 
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