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Is it fair to assume if I enjoyed BvS I'd enjoy this movie too?
Yes. Its a solid movie
Is it fair to assume if I enjoyed BvS I'd enjoy this movie too?
Not really, they're both very different movies, especially if you like the Ultimate Cut of BvS. Justice League is campy and... "fun," meanwhile BvS is a really dark take on the characters. Honestly they seem like completely different characters in these movies.Is it fair to assume if I enjoyed BvS I'd enjoy this movie too?
Is it fair to assume if I enjoyed BvS I'd enjoy this movie too?
Is it fair to assume if I enjoyed BvS I'd enjoy this movie too?
This felt more like avengers lite.Tonally they're different films, so hard to say without knowing what you liked about BvS.
This felt more like avengers lite.
Supes OPness, i wonder if WB studio mandated it to overcompensate the past 2 films, or Joss unleashing his vision of superman. Felt to me everytime Supes was on screen, it was fully Joss work, so tonally different from synder.
I watched yesterday, I thought it was fun. It was clearly cut short, though, as the trailers had scenes that were not in the final film. I'm pretty sure there will be extended edition released down the line. Out of all the DCEU films, I would place it at 3rd place, after Wonder Woman and Man of Steel. The my favorite scene was the resurrection of Superman, I hope to see more of Cavill's character in later films, altough it does not look like he will get another solo outing anytime soon.
Anyway, If you are debating, I say go watch it. It was great fun.
As your ranking of the latest DC movies I've seen are in line with mine, as is your interest in Cavil's Superman, I'd like to ask you to talk to me in numbers, please. It is my language.
Pin Wonder Woman at 100, just for a marker with a lot of range for movies below it. Where would you put Cavil's Man of Steel, and then where this Justice League movie? How far below are we talking, here?
My scale for WW and MoS would be 100 to 80, if that serves any purpose here.
Thanks!
Ok then, let' see...
If Wonder Woman would be at 100, I would point Man of Steel at 90. On that Metric, Justice League I would point 80. BvS is at 60 while Suicide Squad is 50. I have enjoyed all of them so far, but that would be my scale of these films.
I personally feel like there will be an Extended Cut coming out when this films releases on Blu-Ray next year (March, perhaps?). That version will include cut scenes, but also a lot of scenes from the reshoots. And later down the line, might take years, they will release a 'Zack Snyder Cut' of the film, in lieu of Superman II. Tales from my ass, of course.
Now, to wait for the first teaser for Aquaman...
I actually like the more serious tone of the Snyder films, so I was expecting to be disappointed with the lighter tone and Whedon influence but I liked it. A lot of moments probably should have hit harder than they did and I expect they would have if Snyder got to finish it.
This post is entertaining for several reasons, overall I think you hit the nail on the head about the Affleck Batman. He is totally a rich guy cosplaying as Batman! Unlike most folks I really don't dig him in this role, but now you've given me a better perspective for it.Solid 5.5 /10 because it doesn't even aspire to be anything more than a Justice League cartoon episode (and maybe not even one of the best) on the big screen, the characters weren't as bad as i expected Wonder Woman makes a few hilarious faces except for Stephenwolf and Batman he feels like a rich douchebag cosplaying as Batman instead of Batman if that makes sense.
Solid 5.5 /10 because it doesn't even aspire to be anything more than a Justice League cartoon episode (and maybe not even one of the best) on the big screen, the characters weren't as bad as i expected Wonder Woman makes a few hilarious faces except for Stephenwolf and Batman he feels like a rich douchebag cosplaying as Batman instead of Batman if that makes sense.
Yeah, I think it's obvious that Snyder was going to lean into the idea that Bruce wanted a "good death" to atone for what he'd done.Batman was a literal emo the whole movie, always wanting to die.
Why was the Vulture garbage?Saw it yesterday it was ok, got about roughly the same amount of entertaining as I did from Wonder Woman and Spiderman Homecoming which are the other two superhero movies I saw this year, Like those movies the Villain was garbage, I'm not sure why none of the companies seem capable of making a convincing villian anymore. Fuck Bane from TDKR is better than all the Marvel and DC villains combined and he was pretty weak in the grand scheme of things.
Boring, forgettable, no presence, shit motivation, just your run o the mill marvel villain. Then again as I mentioned above the last comic book movie villain that felt convincing was Bane and even he was lesser than Heath ledger before him.Why was the Vulture garbage?
Boring, forgettable, no presence, shit motivation, just your run o the mill marvel villain. Then again as I mentioned above the last comic book movie villain that felt convincing was Bane and even he was lesser than Heath ledger before him.
Micheal Keaton was scarier and more intimidating without the costume.
Michael Keaton to replace Ben Fatfleck as Batman. The original returns.
Hes going to be awesome in Venom.Saw it yesterday it was ok, got about roughly the same amount of entertaining as I did from Wonder Woman and Spiderman Homecoming which are the other two superhero movies I saw this year, Like those movies the Villain was garbage, I'm not sure why none of the companies seem capable of making a convincing villian anymore. Fuck Bane from TDKR is better than all the Marvel and DC villains combined and he was pretty weak in the grand scheme of things.
This I can agree with,that scene with him and Peter in the car was pretty goodMicheal Keaton was scarier and more intimidating without the costume.
The motivation is *at least* a step above the cliche "I want to rule everything" motivation of Steppenwolf.Boring, forgettable, no presence, shit motivation, just your run o the mill marvel villain. Then again as I mentioned above the last comic book movie villain that felt convincing was Bane and even he was lesser than Heath ledger before him.
It was way better than pretty good!This I can agree with,that scene with him and Peter in the car was pretty good
Yeah, I think the highs and lows of JL both come from how much of a direct continuation of both MOS and BVS it is.
Some people are bothered by the quick pacing, but it worked for me, since it's really the finale of the trilogy.
In the future, I hope the DC movies stick to being more standalone, like Wonder Woman, so that the team up movies don't have to waste time tying up loose ends.
If I could describe Justice League in one word it would be Neutered. There was nothing stopping Snyder's vision from getting to this point while still maintaining it's Edge if you will. The problem with fans now is that they want things fully formed out of the packaging with not buildup or reasoning behind them. They want the end product not the hours of blood sweat and tears it took took to get to that end product.
People judged Superman based on him having a few off days cause someone was fucking with him rather then just looking at his actions. This Superman actually gave a shit, hell even when not wearing the Cape he's still trying to fight for the people. I kind of got the feeling Perry was extra hard on Clark cause he was technically dating the "bosses daughter". How many people picked up on that little nuance? Not many I'd wager but the ones who did got a little bit more out of the movie. Stuff like that is just gone in Justice league.
Also where were the real world people? MoS and BvS was a world where you could see John Oliver or Cobert do a bit about Superman on late night TV, Justice League not so much. All the reporters and News anchors were played by Actors now.
Hell where was the Military for that matter? They were all over both MoS and BvS yet absent here even though we saw Cyborg stop a Tank in one of the Original trailers. Yeah I think Neutered sums it up nicely
You should check out Man of Steel Answers podcast, if you like the films you will love how in depth he will go into the DCEU, if you are so so you may grow to like the DCEU hell you may do the same if you hate the DCEU. Moviebob may spend 2 hrs on a video essay where his points could be easily rebutted or engage in constant nitpicking but MOS answers engages in analysis where he frames all his points with real world examples.
Those are some words alright.Regular listener to Mosaic. Moviebob is toxic waste. What I can't understand is Why they brought in a writer who's claim to fame is wacking parents to create drama to lighten up a universe wear the plan was already in place to lighten. Ah have ya read Geoff Johns' work? Run your damn race and don't worry about the other guy. The PS3 beat the X-box 360 in world wide sales in the long run by sticking to what they do and improving that, not by doing what Microsoft did. You run your race, build on your loyalist and then you do what the other guy did while still keeping YOUR identity. Instead DC tried to do like Insomniac and follow the other guys instead of sticking to what they did best. Justice League is DC's Resistance 2 (Wonder Woman being Resistance: Retribution cause that was Awesome and made by Sony Bend, Suicide Squad was Burning Skies I liked it but the critics tore it a new one). Hopefully they learn there lesson from this and we get a Resistance 3 level movie out of them but like that game I fear it'll be too little too late..
I find it odd that while divisive the threads for Snyder's films were multiple pages long while this thread is kind of a fart in the wind. I read a post saying that Snyder's take on Flash wasn't as the quirky guy but as an Orphan looking for a father figure which is why he latches on to Bruce so quickly. Seems like something Snyder would have in his film.
If I could describe Justice League in one word it would be Neutered. There was nothing stopping Snyder's vision from getting to this point while still maintaining it's Edge if you will. The problem with fans now is that they want things fully formed out of the packaging with not buildup or reasoning behind them. They want the end product not the hours of blood sweat and tears it took took to get to that end product.
People judged Superman based on him having a few off days cause someone was fucking with him rather then just looking at his actions. This Superman actually gave a shit, hell even when not wearing the Cape he's still trying to fight for the people. I kind of got the feeling Perry was extra hard on Clark cause he was technically dating the "bosses daughter". How many people picked up on that little nuance? Not many I'd wager but the ones who did got a little bit more out of the movie. Stuff like that is just gone in Justice league.
Also where were the real world people? MoS and BvS was a world where you could see John Oliver or Cobert do a bit about Superman on late night TV, Justice League not so much. All the reporters and News anchors were played by Actors now.
Hell where was the Military for that matter? They were all over both MoS and BvS yet absent here even though we saw Cyborg stop a Tank in one of the Original trailers. Yeah I think Neutered sums it up nicely
Very valid points. Honestly, this one would be a slam dunk for cinema sins.
For me, I'd equate this movie to how I felt thor dark world- a sense of "meh". All action and no soul. It felt all the more profound after having watched Wonder Woman, which to me, is the best DC action hero movie to date barring Christopher Nolan's trilogy.
Overall, the movie required character development for the new faces which felt sorely lacking. Heck an animated mini-series preceding the movie to give more context would have gone some ways in avoiding what felt like a hodgepodge of a movie.
I mean, let's talk about Flash-
- Why does he possess a custom suit like that and yet there is no footage of him in the costume in Bruce's archive footage?
- How come Flash came off feeling weaker than Quicksilver (canonically speaking, Flash due the properties of inertia and momentum happens to one of the most powerful JL members, a theme which is briefly explored when in the movie he tells Bats that he only pushes people away)?
- And coming back to the costume, why does it need to be able to handle friction given speedforce protects Barry from those obstacles (and even if he needed it to move at faster speeds that breach the protective abilities of speed force, why would there be exposed bits of skin around his face and eyes no less)?
That said, some action sequences were absolutely stellar:
Flash lighting up the mother box for Supes' resurrection and Supes being able to track Flash as he tries to flank him.
Well, Flash looked slower than Quicksilver because they kept doing Flash in slow motion sequences, and he was still slow in slow motion, whereas X-Men Quicksilver was still at normal speed or even quick speed in his sequences in X-Men.
Or Avengers Quicksilver where he was just fast at normal camera speed.
The First time we saw a suited up Flash in Action was Suicide Squad where he didn't look Quirky at all, He came in cracked a joke then took Captain Boomerang out. Where was that guy in Justice League? He was there in earlier footage yet very absent in the final film.
Very valid points. Honestly, this one would be a slam dunk for cinema sins.
For me, I'd equate this movie to how I felt thor dark world- a sense of "meh". All action and no soul. It felt all the more profound after having watched Wonder Woman, which to me, is the best DC action hero movie to date barring Christopher Nolan's trilogy.
Overall, the movie required character development for the new faces which felt sorely lacking. Heck an animated mini-series preceding the movie to give more context would have gone some ways in avoiding what felt like a hodgepodge of a movie.
I mean, let's talk about Flash-
- Why does he possess a custom suit like that and yet there is no footage of him in the costume in Bruce's archive footage?
- How come Flash came off feeling weaker than Quicksilver (canonically speaking, Flash due the properties of inertia and momentum happens to one of the most powerful JL members, a theme which is briefly explored when in the movie he tells Bats that he only pushes people away)?
- And coming back to the costume, why does it need to be able to handle friction given speedforce protects Barry from those obstacles (and even if he needed it to move at faster speeds that breach the protective abilities of speed force, why would there be exposed bits of skin around his face and eyes no less)?
That said, some action sequences were absolutely stellar:
Flash lighting up the mother box for Supes' resurrection and Supes being able to track Flash as he tries to flank him.
Haven't seen it, yet. Question: Is a longer Director's Cut coming or not?
We knew early on about longer cuts for BvS and Suicide Squad. I Haven't heard anything regarding Justice League. Since I don't want to buy basically the same movie 2 times, I'm trying to figure out if I should just buy the bluray release now or wait.
Haven't seen it, yet. Question: Is a longer Director's Cut coming or not?
We knew early on about longer cuts for BvS and Suicide Squad. I Haven't heard anything regarding Justice League. Since I don't want to buy basically the same movie 2 times, I'm trying to figure out if I should just buy the bluray release now or wait.
Well, I love BvS. Better than any Marvel movie.