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Valve rep: "We're also still making games" *audience laughs*
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Musky_Cheese
Banned
L4D3 please
Sosokrates
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At this point valve are just taking the piss. I dont get why people are ok with valve.
If valve got more negative press about leaving there biggest franchise out in the cold and abondoing gamers Im sure they would at least say something.
How valve has handled half life is not acceptable. People need to make more noise about it
If valve got more negative press about leaving there biggest franchise out in the cold and abondoing gamers Im sure they would at least say something.
How valve has handled half life is not acceptable. People need to make more noise about it
PhoenixTank
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More noise than being a constant, never dying, internet meme that haunts the comments when any scrap of news comes out of Valve?
The leaked script put it to bed and gave me some closure, at least. One version of the story, but I'll take it.
I don't know whether Valve can't or won't make a more traditional game again, but it doesn't really matter anymore. No hate.
Omegatron
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I feel that Valve or more importantly Steam, became too powerful for their own good. There is very little feeling of "humble" left in the places where Valve had more than most companies.
It's like they wanted too much of everything after a while and because of that, doesn't deliver enough in any area. I personally never played any of their games, but seeing so many people lose faith in a company they've held dear for so long, still makes me sad to see.
It's like they wanted too much of everything after a while and because of that, doesn't deliver enough in any area. I personally never played any of their games, but seeing so many people lose faith in a company they've held dear for so long, still makes me sad to see.
Kadayi
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Yeah. In the same boat.
The problem for me though isn't so much they abandoned the franchise, more if they're prepared to do that and incur the contempt of their customers, what else are they prepared to just give up on when the going gets tough? SteamOS? Vive?
Sosokrates
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Can you post a link to this script, thanks.
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JaxBriggs
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Yeah I'm in two minds about it. On one hand, Valve single handedly legitimized PC gaming from barren wastelands of shitty ports and piracy, to an economic powerhouse. On the other hand, because they've done so well they hold a relative monopoly in the PC gaming space, which has made them somewhat complacent.
I don't personally care if they don't make any more games themselves (their priorities as a software company are different now and I get that) but I do wish they would use some of that muscle to keep bringing the Steam platform forward.
Lionel Richie
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Sure you are Valve, sure you are...
wipeout364
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WaterAstro
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Oh, I thought they made Bridge Constructor Portal, but it was another studio lol.
Phoenix RISING
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Developers of the Black Mesa remake of HL1 on HL2 engine to begin new project after finishing Zen: "Get a Life," following Marc Laidlaw's script right down to the punctuation.
It would print money.
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PhendranaMama
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Please clap.
Avenger54321
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We'll believe it once we see it Valve...
Portal 3 please...
Portal 3 please...
prag16
Banned
If they do, it'll be a turn based pen and paper game exploring the G-man's mysterious past. If we're lucky.
HelenKeller:BlindDeafDTF
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You realize we're talking about video games, right? Jesus Christ, dude.
WaterAstro
Member
If Gabe told me that personally, I'd go one inch from his face and start laughing.
GotrekNoFelix
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Hype for TF2 Switch and the L4D card game.
WaterAstro
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Valve made TF3 though. It's called Overwatch.
Mecha Meow
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ashecitism
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Basically.
Kadayi
Banned
The Half-life customer base is the foundation stone of Steam. Valve built sustained interest in Steam as a digital platform off the back of that franchise, and a large part of that momentum was generated as a result of Valve talking about taking the series in a purely digital episodic direction as a trilogy to wrap up the HL2 storyline with the argument for (to a pretty skeptical community it has to be said), being shorter games versus your typical expansion but with quicker development times The whole 'Valve Time' meme sprang into existence out of the fact that Valve consistently managed to blow their own estimates when it came to delivery. However despite episode 2 ending on a cliffhanger and having blown the deadline for episode 3, instead of offering the customer base a revised ETA like any normal business would do Valve just went radio silent, and have actively avoided discussing it ever since. Now regardless of how people might try and frame that narrative ('Entitled gamers' 'Valve owe you nothing' etc) from a customer/business perspective, that's not a good look.
subsmoke
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You know, I agree with you. It seems unprofessional to me to just leave the story unfinished like that. I'd be more understanding if maybe the game didn't sell that well but Half-Life is hugely popular and made Valve a lot of money. How do you tell 10 million+ fans "Eh, we just don't feel like finishing the story so you'll have to use your imagination." That's very lazy and Valve is a quality developer so I expect better from them than that. If nothing else I wish they'd at least tell everyone what's going on. Even if they have no plans to finish the sequel I'd rather know that for sure so we don't have to keep wondering.
Kadayi
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Fbh
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Unless they find a way to turn it into a "game as a service" I doubt they would even be interested in doing it, even if it's developed by an external team
Valve realized that they get more money from people buying hats and weapon skins than from a single player game that people just buy once
Sosokrates
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We are also talking about millions of dollers here.( And b4 some says "yeah but steam makes more money then half life could) well why not both?
Sosokrates
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I dont necessarily mind if they didnt do another half life, but just some explanation to why they didnt finish half life. They owe that much to the fans.
If I had to guess they were working on ep3 and it got more and more ambitious and turned into a full blown sequal, but there were several problems and disagreements and because valve dont answer to anyone they wanted to end the chaos and pain , so they pulled the plug and forgotten about it like a bad relationship.
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"We're also still making games"
"We're also still making money from games"
There fixed for you
Kadayi
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"We're also still making money from selling other people games"
There fixed for you
Inception Fix.
TimFL
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I must've missed the part where Valve owes you anything. They can do whatever they want, it's a business. If they are okay with not making cash by releasing a sequel to one of their biggest franchises then they can be my guest. It's not like they are the exception, there are loads of franchises out there who were either canned or in development hell. If they aren't willing to take the risk with HL3 then that's fine with me, but acting like they owe you anything is beyond cringeworthy.
The entitlement gets annoying with Valve games, seriously.
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Specifically the way they handled it. Imagine this:
Breaking Bad's final season was suddenly 'delayed' two months before release, after heavy advertising. It repeatedly gets delayed before they just stop talking about it. A few years later when someone asks what happened to Breaking Bad, the producer just replies: "Why the heck would we make a drama? Reality TV shows are where the money's at!"
People would be livid. They have no obligation to finish the series, but they still kinda blue-balled their fans, kinda treated them and the work they liked with a bit of contempt, and a lot of people wouldn't have bought on if they knew the series would get stuck at a cliff hanger.
Kadayi
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Indeed, when you reframe it as that or a film franchise (imagine Peter Jackson not releasing RoTK) it becomes kind of egregious how they just bailed on the project 2/3rds through.
Hissing Sid
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They obviously moved on from Half Life years ago.
They just keep the shambling, undead corpse hanging around, chained to a wall in the cellar.
I dunno, Half Life was never really my cup of tea anyway. I quite enjoyed the first one but the second nearly put me to sleep so it doesn’t bother me too much that we’ll never get another game in the series.
The death of U-Boat and Space sims on the PC hurt me more.
For fans of the franchise it must be a real downer though, especially leaving folks with a cliffhanger.
I’d have thought Valve has enough money to be able to put something out to tie things up. It’d be the right thing to do, would probably sell quite well and would garner a lot of good will and positive press for the company.
Or does counting the beans outweigh every other consideration these days?
Would they even be able to do another Half Life game with their present company set-up?
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ashecitism
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This has to be the most defeatist attitude when it comes to HL3. "It wouldn't live up to the hype/expectations".
Expectations didn't stop Nintendo from attempting new Zeldas after OoT, a game considered one of the very best if not the best of all time.
Expectations didn't stop Nintendo, again, from making new 3D Marios after M64, one of the best if not the best launch title for any console.
Expectations didn't stop Naughty Dog to follow up UC2, for many the game of last gen.
Expectations aren't stopping Naughty Dog from following up TLoU, for many the game of last gen.
Expectations didn't stop Blizzard from making a new IP after 17 years.
Expectations didn't stop Rockstar from following up several GTAs.
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Expectations didn't stop Valve from following up HL1, a game that was a paradigm shift for story driven games and shooters.
But now one of the wealthiest, most talented devs should get a pass from not attempting a game with high expectations? Screw that. If Valve doesn't want to make it because of that then they're cowards. I'd rather them not attempting it because they don't want to, because that I can accept, but this? No. Same goes for "they're having problems turning it into a service with hats and stuff". If that's the case screw them.