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Maybe you are right, but these days, she is horrible, she is no better than the atackersExcept she didn't. She talked a bunch about games and gamers got squeamish about their safe spaces.
Maybe you are right, but these days, she is horrible, she is no better than the atackersExcept she didn't. She talked a bunch about games and gamers got squeamish about their safe spaces.
I can agree with "Just like the left created the Monster called Milo. Gamergate in the end created the monster called Anita. Both of these groups made the person they despised the most untouchable due to their actions."
But, Milo is so far worse to me, he's a human shitstain. Anita, at least, never advocated for sexual relationships with children, and she, at least, wrote her own shit, and she, at least, never had a presentation where she blew up a picture of one of her opponents as a teenager and wrote the words "UNFUCKABLE” over the top. I understand the idea, but Milo is just trash. I mean he doesn't even believe in climate change!
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Or you know, things likeAnd why did it have technical issues? Because the focus was on hiring a 'diverse' development team instead of a competent one.
People who entertain the idea that gamergate was anything other than a hate motivated harassment campaign against women and transgender people in the industry are either ignorant douchebags, trolling, or in denial.
Maybe you are right, but these days, she is horrible, she is no better than the atackers
What has Anita done that is equally as bad as her harassers?
You mean the whole feminism thing, and she using her mob of people to harass people that do not agree with her
It's kind of disingenuous to suggest that ResetEra reflects poorly through that post. It's honestly just because people were and are upset about what happened.
Not everything is political. If I photograph a mountain, or paint a fruit basket, what is political about it?
First of all James did make this video because he was constantly asked if he would review it. So yes he absolutely had a reason to say this on HIS channel for HIS subscribers.
And it is a FACT that these kind of movies which get praised for their "representation often totally have a disconnect with actual viewers. EG rotten tomatoes score of critics and crowd.
Also I love how the regressive left is totally disgusted by Bill Maher. Its kind of hilarious to be honest.
"Normal people" like ETDragon, Daniel and the rest of them.... turn on each other like piranhas.
Supported Daniel for years on twitter and when I said psvr could do 3 million lifetime he laughed at me and blocked me.
ET hardly plays games and is a social justice witch hunter and the rest are sheep or just as bad.
If you think they are "normal" , I got news for you... enjoy the groupthink over there but don't be surprised when a knife is plunged into your back.
You are just angry that people here are finally brave enough to voice their concerns and opinions without the threat of a dog pile and ban.
No my dear,
I want you here because I love diversity of opinions.
Which post? The latest porn bomb out of the hundreds and hundreds of account suicides that have persistently attempted to destroy NeoGAF under the rallying cry of ResetEra from day one? Or some other post? Do tell, since I had to bring in professional contractors 24/7 to prevent the sheer number of account suicides and associated attacks from completely destroying NeoGAF in November. Do tell, though.
Your understanding of the idea of politics is simply too narrow, that's all. What's political about you taking a picture of a mountain? Well, it tells me you grew up in a society that allows people to walk around and take pictures of whatever they want. It tells me you come from a society which has room for an appreciation of nature, too.
There's obviously a distinction between that level of politics and a game that is explicitly about, like, extolling the virtues of being pro-choice. But this is what I mean when I say everything is political. To ask that art not have politics is like asking that movies not feature moving images.
First thing's first: You are not now, nor will you ever be, Christopher Hitchens. That is extraordiarily unnatural coming from you.
I live life with a little more nuance, in that I'm happy to parse ideas that are interesting and challenge me from ideas that are just stupid bullshit. GamerGate is stupid bullshit.
Again. HE did do it because he was asked a ton should he not have answered to his fans if he is going to review it or not?Your understanding of the idea of politics is simply too narrow, that's all. What's political about you taking a picture of a mountain? Well, it tells me you grew up in a society that allows people to walk around and take pictures of whatever they want. It tells me you come from a society which has room for an appreciation of nature, too.
There's obviously a distinction between that level of politics and a game that is explicitly about, like, extolling the virtues of being pro-choice. But this is what I mean when I say everything is political. To ask that art not have politics is like asking that movies not feature moving images.
WTF does "his channel" or "his subscribers" have anything to do with what I said? I repeat: people do not typically come out and announce that they aren't going to review a movie.
Not true at all, and Wonder Woman and Black Panther prove it. Ghostbusters 2016 wasn't a good movie. It's totally normal and fine that people were excited to see a cast of all-female leads. Just, the movie turned out not to be good. I'm sure all of those people were excited about Wonder Woman, too. That was a good movie, and so it got better reviews. The same will be true for Black Panther's success -- people are correct to be excited about the idea of a nearly all-black superhero film. That'd be the case whether it's good or it sucks. It happens to be great, and so it'll do very well.
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It doesn't?I'm referring to the person as someone who individually did something shitty. I don't really mind account suicides, but there are wrong ways to do it. My point is that it doesn't really reflect upon ResetEra.
I'm referring to the person as someone who individually did something shitty. I don't really mind account suicides, but there are wrong ways to do it. My point is that it doesn't really reflect upon ResetEra.
Your understanding of the idea of politics is simply too narrow, that's all. What's political about you taking a picture of a mountain? Well, it tells me you grew up in a society that allows people to walk around and take pictures of whatever they want. It tells me you come from a society which has room for an appreciation of nature, too.
There's obviously a distinction between that level of politics and a game that is explicitly about, like, extolling the virtues of being pro-choice. But this is what I mean when I say everything is political. To ask that art not have politics is like asking that movies not feature moving images.
Also I love how the regressive left is totally disgusted by Bill Maher. Its kind of hilarious to be honest. As for Black Panther like I would care about the representation. I rather care if its a good movie or not.
I think it's somewhat beating around the bush to talk about, can art with no political intent be political.I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I am just going to point and laugh at this statement. Seriously? That's just reaching. You can make it political if you want it to be, but no a landscape painting or a still life fruit bowl is about as apolitical as you can get. The art itself is not political in any way. I'm sure that even Bob Ross would laugh at you if you asked him if he was trying to be political with his happy trees.
This is something that intrigues me. Why is it more important that a character "represent" a certain group than a character be "good"?
Blade was a bad ass character. I don't remember anyone making a big deal about the race of Wesley Snipes at the time. Mace Windu and Nick Fury - both bad asses and black. Barrett and Sazh are two iconic characters who happen to be black. But that isn't what defines them. Kaine from Neir is Intersex, and is more than the sum of those parts. The thing is, all of them are great characters who don't exist to be one thing.
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I am just going to point and laugh at this statement. Seriously? That's just reaching. You can make it political if you want it to be, but no a landscape painting or a still life fruit bowl is about as apolitical as you can get. The art itself is not political in any way. I'm sure that even Bob Ross would laugh at you if you asked him if he was trying to be political with his happy trees.
I almost feel like we're running past each other. Even here, I have to wonder if you, yourself, are arguing in bad faith.
It ignores the basic fact that people like seeing themselves in their media. [...] I think that specifically in the case of Black Panther, it's a movie that already just in it's name and premise appears to have more to say about race than any of the movies that you mentioned. It's a movie which is about blackness. [...] If you ask minorities, women, trans people if they feel more comfortable in the gaming community now that games that actually feature them exist, they're not going to say no.
Not in a, "Yay, we're winning this argument" way, but in a "Wow, it's cool to see a black/trans person and their experience in a product" way.
No gate is being kept closed.
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I am just going to point and laugh at this statement. Seriously? That's just reaching. You can make it political if you want it to be, but no a landscape painting or a still life fruit bowl is about as apolitical as you can get. The art itself is not political in any way. I'm sure that even Bob Ross would laugh at you if you asked him if he was trying to be political with his happy trees.
This is something that intrigues me. Why is it more important that a character "represent" a certain group than a character be "good"?
Blade was a bad ass character. I don't remember anyone making a big deal about the race of Wesley Snipes at the time. Mace Windu and Nick Fury - both bad asses and black. Barrett and Sazh are two iconic characters who happen to be black. But that isn't what defines them. Kaine from Neir is Intersex, and is more than the sum of those parts. The thing is, all of them are great characters who don't exist to be one thing.
"This is something that intrigues me. Why is it more important that a character "represent" a certain group than a character be "good"?" feels like a a sentiment no one really puts forward. The character and movie needs to be good, I think that's intrinsically part of the representation demand, all be it, in an unspoken way, representation in shitty movies tends not to be championed by people.
What me really make me hate the new ghostbusters movie before it was released was this picture hereThat is what happened with say, the Ghostbusters remake. I don't think people had issue as much with having the Ghostbusters characters be female, it was that the movie itself was goddamn awful, and any criticism of it for being awful was then turned around as them being sexist.
It is definately possible to do a female cast Ghostbusters movie and make it work, but not the way they did it.
I mean, Nick Fury was originally white, but I can't think of him being anyone other than Samuel L Jackson now because he owned the role.
It's more that you don't see anyone demanding the inverse, but you see examples of shitty shoe-in characters all the time. That deadnaming lady from Andromeda is the most famous example, but my personal least favorite are the lesbian couple from later on in Guild Wars 2's storyline. It's like they took a page from Steven Moffat's book and made two women whose lines of dialog alternated between blindingly gay and patronizingly empowered."This is something that intrigues me. Why is it more important that a character "represent" a certain group than a character be "good"?" feels like a a sentiment no one really puts forward. The character and movie needs to be good, I think that's intrinsically part of the representation demand, all be it, in an unspoken way, representation in shitty movies tends not to be championed by people.
What me really make me hate the new ghostbusters movie before it was released was this picture here
This was promotion for a movie. To me this was just ridiculous and it shhowed the full politicisation of this movie.
I can understand your frustration and it is really shitty behaviour to make such exit postings, but I feel it is not quite fair to project it on the whole of Resetera, since there are thousands of members on Resetera, who never did such a thing and do not think it is justified at all. To my best understanding, the leaders of Resetera are not pleased about such behaviour either and do not condone it. Afterall, most of these suicide posters may be Resetera members, but they certainly are NeoGAF members as well. Therefore, I feel it is not fair to judge the whole forum they may be members of for it, but the specific subset instead.P.S. I just had to delete yet another porn attack account suicide (from DarknessTear, who had been a member here since 2005 with 15,000 posts) in this thread a few minutes ago, proclaimed in the name of the virtuous and honorable ResetEra of course. We take down these attacks ASAP, usually nearly instantly (submit a report if we miss one though), and these failed attempts to disrupt and destroy NeoGAF continue to paint ResetEra in a...particular light. I will again note: you're not able to harm NeoGAF with this sort of thing anymore now that we've stabilized, and NeoGAF will not sink to your level and reciprocate to destroy you. Ideally you stick around, tbh. Keep proving you're the radicalized, socially incompatible baddies. You can be our Australia, since there needs to be somewhere for radicalized authoritarian pseudo-progressives to have their meetups and Milkshake Duck declarations and suicide porn bomb planning each week. It's not gonna be here, though, regardless of what happens to that place. Seriously, grow up. If you don't want to post on NeoGAF anymore, log out and point your browser somewhere else, or I'm going to waste my time making the attackers known. Your employer, or dean, or mom won't be pleased. Give it a rest with the porn bombs.
Yes, I can understand why she closed the comments section on her youtube videos, but I disagree with her decision to not engage with her critics in any shape or form afterwards. She could've made a video responding to some of the most prevalent counter-arguments, or even host a debate in a controled environment to ensure no harassment would take place. She didn't though.I think harassment is a legitimate thing due to how big she got. When you get that big and so many people are contacting you at the same time, it's difficult to separate genuine critique from harassment. I think also we as a community need to be better at coming up with spaces where genuine, non-disingenuous critique can occur (twitter is not that). I also think if you're a public speaker, you owe your audience debate, you owe them you addressing the arguments people put against you.
I can understand your frustration and it is really shitty behaviour to make suchexitpostings, but I feel it is not quite fair to project it on the whole ofReseteraGamerGate, since there are thousands of members onReseteraGamerGate, who never did such a thing and do not think it is justified at all. [...] Case in point, I am aReseteraGamerGate member as well and have some friends who areReseteraGamerGate members as well, and we hate this kind of behaviour.
I'm glad a dialogue is possible now at least. It's been years now since the initial GG movement but we haven't had an open dialogue about it on NeoGAF for most of the time since. Obviously GG remains just about the single most inflammatory and divisive subject in video game subculture, and some folks need to keep it a little more civil in the recent set of responses, but it's functional in here and I'm gleaning a lot about where people are coming from with their various positions on it as it exists in 2018 compared to back at the start.
I'm seeing people lean in the direction of GG here without coming across as the same folks who were obsessed with Zoe Quinn's alleged seduction sex spree (I will not apologize for making fun of all those people hyper-concerned about that or taking the salty ex's blog post seriously as an Important Industry Matter). And -- hopefully -- the folks who sent me thousands of harassing messages for calling that stuff out at the time and obsessively collected personal details and archived posts from my entire lifespan on the internet to prove my "sjw hypocrisy" or whatever the fuck also, I assume, aren't the same folks talking here like reasonable adults either. If you are, let me know so we can go take it outside. Well, at any rate, most of of those twitter bombs were bots created en masse by a small subset of creeper people, and one of the guys with the creepy blog about me went to jail last I heard, but it was still a real thing when it was aimed at me, and so there's no doubt in my mind that it was a real thing for the primary targets of the debacle (Zoe and Anita). The GG movement HQs at the time did coordinate objectives to that effect as per that giant Buzzfeed expose recently, and the informal "GG Leadership" did directly attack and continuously attempt to discredit me and scandalize me from that point forward as part of that agenda (e.g. Adam Baldwin callout and twitter battle; GG orchestrated Slate.com feature that defamed me and NeoGAF and Moot among others, and regular attempts to scandalize me anywhere they could find an audience or get an account through on NeoGAF to evaporate instantly).
So pardon me if I didn't go out of my way for folks on the GG side on here at the time. I'm okay with having let them burn in the mass ban shitstorms of each excruciating thread about Anita's dumb videos we had to go through. But that's the past, and none of that nonsense with the #notyourshield twitter bots and "investigative journalist" basement stalkers will ever compare to the malice and cowardice and betrayal and disappointment I experienced from being falsely #metooed in a facebook post the author retracted the next day and where everyone burned this site to the ground before, so far as I could tell, mostly even having read the allegation at all. Just knowing that an allegation existed was enough to act reprehensibly and unforgivably. So whatever. Talking things through is what we should've been doing the whole time, talking things through is what we desperately needed to be doing when #metoo began spiraling out of control (and I said as much and tried to intervene...), but there were extenuating circumstances and arguably misplaced motives and bad actors and extreme personalities involved en masse.
It's a good time to sit down and talk here and now, clearly.
Critically, though, It doesn't inspire personal comfort whatsoever to see people label themselves as part of the GG movement today after the stuff back then I just described. Yes. times change and movements change (just look at third wave feminism et al). So, hey, maybe if you have legitimate positions to argue as adults now primarily, now's the time to evolve the label of the movement. Consider a rebrand. Disassociate from all that initial horseshit about serial seduction sprees to influence some game for charity, and coordinated harassment against anyone speaking out about it, and a lot of general anti-women sentiment, because that shit was not cool, period. I have a long memory. I expect others share similar sentiments about the whole escapade at its peak.
This "battle" has been raging for years now, usually with NeoGAF as its primary battleground, and the target painted on my back for making fun of people obsessing over Zoe Quinn's devious feminine wiles (??) undermining the ethics in games journalism (what fucking ethics?) never went away, even if the conversation did evolve to something more substantial and reasonable along the lines of what's being debated in this thread as it seems to have. perhaps. I'm never going to support "gamergate" as a result of all of that garbage, to be clear, yet I'll still lock any threads about Anita S trying to melt my brain cells with her horrific attempts at film criticism (I haven't watched her game segments), I'm still broadly anti-censorship, pro diversity, and I still think artificially injected diversity quotas are generally worse than having a smaller subset of projects that explore Not White Bald Space Marine Guy topics in a more substantive and meaningful way. Video games are in a convenient position, on the other hand, to just, say, add in flexible character creation options a lot of times, though, and I don't agree with any pushback against something like that. Under-representation in media is a legitimate issue with complicated/imperfect/WIP solutions we're still navigating our way through, and games have better solutions available than most mediums to make some strides there with minimal effort and basically no downside if you just want your space marine dude at the end of the character creation screen.
Some of that sounds suspiciously like what a lot of people in here seem have on their minds, but this whole GG thing started out with the worst possible platform anyone could've dreamed up. I'll continue reiterating that.
Seriously. It's an irrevocably shitty movement because of all the baggage, and it acted as a trial run for the actual alt-right movement. Rebrand, Better yet, unbrand. if this is what you feel GG is about now and if you consider it to be a mature and socially integrated platform now that's about the issues for realsies; just drop the identity/label entirely and debate the positions on their own. That's my preference with just about everything I go about, and I can go on about everything (clearly). Labels beget sides and define enemies, and tend to move us toward those polarized, reductive, us vs them bubbles especially on the internet, and nothing of value results from that, clearly. Move away from "gamergate" conceptually and dial in on specific issues instead, take the high ground with less "omg those sjws and their hoop earrings are ruining mah vidyas," and drop the dismissive labeling of your opposition in general. Same goes for the "other side" calling everyone an alt-right Nazi. Some are apparently calling NeoGAF an alt-right website now. That's how dumb things have gotten. Regardless, you won't be auto-dismissed for any reasonable positions that are apparently floating around now, in time, at least not here, by staying civil and sticking to the issues over ad hominem.
P.S. I just had to delete yet another porn attack account suicide (from DarknessTear, who had been a member here since 2005 with 15,000 posts) in this thread a few minutes ago, proclaimed in the name of the virtuous and honorable ResetEra of course. We take down these attacks ASAP, usually nearly instantly (submit a report if we miss one though), and these failed attempts to disrupt and destroy NeoGAF continue to paint ResetEra in a...particular light. I will again note: you're not able to harm NeoGAF with this sort of thing anymore now that we've stabilized, and NeoGAF will not sink to your level and reciprocate to destroy you. Ideally you stick around, tbh. Keep proving you're the radicalized, socially incompatible baddies. You can be our Australia, since there needs to be somewhere for radicalized authoritarian pseudo-progressives to have their meetups and Milkshake Duck declarations and suicide porn bomb planning each week. It's not gonna be here, though, regardless of what happens to that place. Seriously, grow up. If you don't want to post on NeoGAF anymore, log out and point your browser somewhere else, or I'm going to waste my time making the attackers known. Your employer, or dean, or mom won't be pleased. Give it a rest with the porn bombs.
That is what happened with say, the Ghostbusters remake. I don't think people had issue as much with having the Ghostbusters characters be female, it was that the movie itself was goddamn awful, and any criticism of it for being awful was then turned around as them being sexist.
It is definately possible to do a female cast Ghostbusters movie and make it work, but not the way they did it.
I mean, Nick Fury was originally white, but I can't think of him being anyone other than Samuel L Jackson now because he owned the role.
It's more that you don't see anyone demanding the inverse, but you see examples of shitty shoe-in characters all the time. That deadnaming lady from Andromeda is the most famous example, but my personal least favorite are the lesbian couple from later on in Guild Wars 2's storyline. It's like they took a page from Steven Moffat's book and made two women whose lines of dialog alternated between blindingly gay and patronizingly empowered.
I guess the best way to measure this is to say, is this character helping to develop the story, or are they just establishing a diverse presence. If the action has to stop for someone to point out what minority they represent I think it's not a good character, or at least it's not good writing.
Sure it mostly stands out in stories that are garbage, but... people like to consume garbage. I've seen plenty of examples where it's slotted in tastefully (Operator 6O having a meltdown over being turned down by another female android, which managed to accomplish a lot of goals in one scene, that stoic 2B is not necessarily the norm for YoRHa and that androids can love) but unfortunately the bad ones will always be more memorable than the good.Quite a lot of people ended up giving it a bad review and now no one really talks about that Ghostbusters movie now. Except us, in these meta conversations. Women haven't really mentioned the movie since it dropped.
Andromeda is guilty of all the bad writing. I don't know if anything in there is good, including the trans character and deadnaming incident. Action stopping for someone to point out what minority they represent is lame. However, this only really happens in games with overall bad stories. Like, I hate Moffat stories full stop.
Your understanding of the idea of politics is simply too narrow, that's all. What's political about you taking a picture of a mountain? Well, it tells me you grew up in a society that allows people to walk around and take pictures of whatever they want. It tells me you come from a society which has room for an appreciation of nature, too.
There's obviously a distinction between that level of politics and a game that is explicitly about, like, extolling the virtues of being pro-choice. But this is what I mean when I say everything is political. To ask that art not have politics is like asking that movies not feature moving images.
WTF does "his channel" or "his subscribers" have anything to do with what I said? I repeat: people do not typically come out and announce that they aren't going to review a movie.
I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I am just going to point and laugh at this statement. Seriously? That's just reaching. You can make it political if you want it to be, but no a landscape painting or a still life fruit bowl is about as apolitical as you can get. The art itself is not political in any way. I'm sure that even Bob Ross would laugh at you if you asked him if he was trying to be political with his happy trees.
It's fucking vegan agenda is what it is.But yeah, I don't think I've heard anyone trying to show with a fruit bowl anything else than a fruit bowl
If you take a quick glance at what's happened to GAF, you know as well as I do that this is not true. By banning different points of view, you basically allow people to take more and more extreme stances through a positive feedback loop. We both may not agree on everything, but by exchanging arguments, we are forced to reevaluate, differentiate and nuance our own beliefs. That's something that I value greatly.
It's fucking vegan agenda is what it is.
You can be our Australia
Let me assure you that I have no horse in this race, as I want no part in this antagonistic divide, no matter what side. Hence why I don't consider myself a GamerGater. I merely tried to point out why I think so many gamers are unfairly vilified. It's just that so many issues were simply attributed to GG in order to sweep them under the rug. As a sign of good faith, allow me to build some bridges by pointing out the stuff that I agree with in principle:
The gist of your refutation seems to be the assertion that diverse representation in video games matters. I agree with that. It is weird, because nowhere did I state otherwise. I mean, if it's that important to some and if it makes them feel more welcome, I'm all for it. I'm going to see Black Panther, because I love engaging with different cultural settings and that's cool.
That's also something I basically agree with and I'm certain that's the case for most media consumers out there. I don't take umbrage with people celebrating their representation in a piece of media, that's exactly the kind of positivism we need. What's being criticized is the growing trend to give every media product a political framework while screaming 'victory' for every piece of media that seems to reaffirm their political side. Hence why I made my case that the growing politicization of media and entertainment is reaching a hysterical fever pitch and why I take issue with the assumption that "everything is political".
As an outsider looking onto the American state of affairs, there is a lot of political hysteria (on both sides) sweeping over the country. Like, I get that people are worried, but that's something that should be decided in the political arena, not on the back of video games and gamers. There's a lot of worrisome radicalization happening on both sides, with each side trying to weaponize different social groups for political gains. I vehemently reject such instrumentalization of people, no matter how righteous the cause may seem. It's just something that leads to immense pain and suffering for the poor sods that happen to come in between these sides.
If you take a quick glance at what's happened to GAF, you know as well as I do that this is not true. By banning different points of view, you basically allow people to take more and more extreme stances through a positive feedback loop. We both may not agree on everything, but by exchanging arguments, we are forced to reevaluate, differentiate and nuance our own beliefs. That's something that I value greatly.
Not sure about fruit bowls but often landscape paintings used to be things to raise people's national identity with. In Finland we have plenty of landscape paintings with the purpose of wanting to push a certain Finnish identity for people. Sometimes they wanted to copy a place that to them showed the essence of what Finland is all about. Sometimes things like that can be shown in landscape paintings. In my opinion that makes them political.
But yeah, I don't think I've heard anyone trying to show with a fruit bowl anything else than a fruit bowl
I hate neonazis, I hate the current kind of feminists, and I hate dishonesty and ignorance. In the context of NeoGAF, all I want is enjoy video games without having to worry that playing cerain games is the same as joining the alt-right. Since none of the bigger websites gave any bit of nuance in their reporting of issues in gaming, GG became a magnet to all kinds of people. But I have no romantic feelings for that movement.
I just can't let all-too-proud, yet wrong themselves groups feel like they 'won'. Maybe that makes me a child. But then again, I'm playing video games
"while screaming 'victory' for every piece of media that seems to reaffirm their political side." I just don't know if I see that happen that much within mainstream media critique.
In a free society you're going to run into things you don't like. Like a stereotype you find offensive. If that's enough to ruin your fun and hurt your feelings, I don't know what to say. When I play a game, watch a movie or listen to an album, I don't expect to like every section, scene or phrase, or that I'll agree with all ideas presented within. I just ignore the stuff I don't like, and focus on that which I do like. You have to develop a personal shield that protects you from all the stuff you disagree with that you'll inevitably be faced with.Let's say I play a game and interpret a lazy stereotyping within a minority character, in that moment any criticism I gave is political (I have the political viewpoint that minorities shouldn't be stereotyped by people or in media), but also on a pure "fun" level my fun has been ruined, I'll feel emotionally hurt, not without good reason. Those are the moments that make it so hard for me to buy into the idea that I could even enjoy games purely on a "fun" level.